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I'm still glad I waited for the 2017, should be delivered June 16th. I'm mostly happy that the gpu will be a bit faster and hopefully this fixes some of the lag I was getting on the 2016 MBP. I also can't wait for High Sierrra on this new Kaby Lake system.
 
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What about battery life on the new ones? Is that fixed? The 2016's supposedly had major issues with the battery life.
 
Am I reading these scores right?

My mid-2014 (the high-end stock model) scores 4239 single / 14517 multi. The new high-end stock model is 4632 single / 15747 multi. It's still 16GB of DDR3 RAM, still a 500GB SSD though I realize some components like the SSDs and GPU are much faster now.

But have the processors only increased ~10% in three years? I was holding off to replace because the last model was kind of a dud, but this doesn't seem much better.

I'm assuming I'm wrong, so what am I missing?…
 
That's just the CPU. There are other things like SSD/RAM I/O performance which the mid-2012 15" rMBP just won't be able to keep up. The NVMe/PCIe SSD is a lot faster and with lower latency than the SATA 3 SSD in the old rMBP (Apple moved to PCIe with the late 2013 model moved to NVMe from AHCI with the late 2016 models).

If your compare the SATA3 SSD performance to the current NVMe/PCIe, we're looking at a jump from around 400 MB/s read and write to over 2GB/s. That's a huge gain.

Then there's the GPU. The GT650M is old and can't run most of the games released in the last two years.

Plus there's Thunderbolt 3 which allows you to add external GPU and brings the performance of the MBP up another notch or two. That's not possible with the mid-2012 model. And I'm speaking as someone who also has been running the mid-2012 model for the last 5 years. This year is the first year when my rMBP starts to feel slow.


Indeed, I actually just sold mine last night for 50% of the price I paid in Aug 2012, past year its started to show its age/sluggishness and that was a maxed out spec mid-2012.
I'm ready for the new 2017 version
 
Really, it's what the previous update should've been all along. I'd feel bad if I bought a new MBP a couple months ago.
 
I'm so glad I bought mine six months ago when it previously took them three years to update.... what a slap in the face...

And I'm so glad I waited six months, figuring there would soon be an update.

I'll be purchasing a new 15" when they're in stock, which should be soon. The SSD speed increase to 3.2 GB/sec read and 2.2 GB/Sec write will be nice. That's smokin'...

Will be a nice update from my 2013 MacBook Air with 4 GB of ram.
 
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Those 2016 scores are lower than what we have been posting in forums. The config in the middle scores around 4500/14500. In other words, the actual expected difference is much lower than what you are posting.
 

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That's pretty good! Am eager to see how it turns out.

I know! This particular laptop won't be used for much other than browsing the web and word processing, but I'm impressed with the performance for the entry level model
 
Your wishes will be only dreams my friend. Too bad, this are some good wishes :(

Tell me about it. I appreciate not everyone wants a thick laptop and Apple make plenty of thin ones. I'd just want them to make a thicker model like MacBook Pro's of old. Apple execs may disagree with me, but there's a strong correlation between thin laptops and my spending. The thinner the laptops get the less I spend with them. I used to spend £3000+ each year now it's around £100.
 
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I'm not sure I agree with taking the average from the 2016 launch. If you look at the 2016 MBP results from near launch and those run recently, there is a significant difference. Newer runs seem to average somewhere in the mid 14,000's. I assume Apple has done some software optimizations for this hardware since launch. Though I may be wrong, the 20% performance gain seems to be greatly overstated.
 
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if you had the 2016 and 2017, if you take off the keys you see some differences, i think this is related to the issues with stuck and that clicky sound from warm key
 
My 2012 Retina Macbook Pro is now 5 years old and still holding quite well. Single core score of 3606 and multicore 11748 isn't quite off from 4632/15747 of the latest.

Only <30% difference from a 5 year old device? No way I'll pay another grand for that (after resale) lol.

Not to discourage people from buying rMBP though. They're good investment for long term use.
For people who need the horsepower for work that might matter but I agree!
I bought a 2012 MacBook pro with the I7 quad 2.7 for $850 and slapped a 1T SSD in it and it rocks.
I sent Tim cook an email and asked him to update the mac mini to the 3.1 or 4.2 I7..
I'd pay $3000 or $3500 for one of those..especially if I could put 2 SSDs in there!
 
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I'm actually pleasantly surprised at the speed bump. I was expecting a increase in the low single digits rather than double digit increases.
 
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I'm so glad I bought mine six months ago when it previously took them three years to update.... what a slap in the face...
Gets worse. The version you have should also prove the least desirable when it comes to resale. Another crap iPad 3 scenario.
 
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