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It's still too thin. Give me one with a proper keyboard, more expansion ports (you can shove dongles where the sun doesn't shine), a matte screen option and 64GB RAM and then I'd buy it. For £3k I want it to be functional not look pretty.

Surprisingly, I've grown to prefer the new keyboard. Would still rather have 32GB of RAM. It doesn't sting so much that these new machines still don't support more than 16GB.
 
@All the people crying about a faster model coming out 8 months later:
Don't buy this one. Next year's model will ship with 6 core Coffee Lake CPUs.
But you shouldn't get that one either. The one after will ship with Intel's first 10 nm CPUs offering noticeable advantages in battery life and thermals. This one isn't the one to get as well: if rumors are right, the one after that might include a complete architecture overhaul with way bigger IPC increases than usual.

You see my point?
 
I'm ok with hanging onto my maxed 2016 machine for another year. Really do want 32GB of RAM and the hardware H265 support.
You'll get the hardware H265 support this fall with macOS High Sierra release. It'll work on MBP Pro with 6th gen Intel processor or later, which is your model.
 
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The biggest hold up for me to get one of these new machines is the locked in RAM/SDD specs. It doesn't even have enough storage for what I have on my 5 year old MB Pro. Bring the 2TB storage to the 13!!!!
 
That's just the CPU. There are other things like SSD/RAM I/O performance which the mid-2012 15" rMBP just won't be able to keep up. The NVMe/PCIe SSD is a lot faster and with lower latency than the SATA 3 SSD in the old rMBP (Apple moved to PCIe with the late 2013 model moved to NVMe from AHCI with the late 2016 models).

If your compare the SATA3 SSD performance to the current NVMe/PCIe, we're looking at a jump from around 400 MB/s read and write to over 2GB/s. That's a huge gain.

Then there's the GPU. The GT650M is old and can't run most of the games released in the last two years.

Plus there's Thunderbolt 3 which allows you to add external GPU and brings the performance of the MBP up another notch or two. That's not possible with the mid-2012 model. And I'm speaking as someone who also has been running the mid-2012 model for the last 5 years. This year is the first year when my rMBP starts to feel slow.

..and you even get to enjoy that for a hour or four. Because the battery will run out before you get everything you need done unless you spend your days plugged in. Still not holding my breath waiting for the 2017 model to last even half a working day on actual workload.
 
It'll be interesting to see the battery tests, where Windows laptops all gained 1-2 hours from an upgrade to Kaby Lake.
 
I know! This particular laptop won't be used for much other than browsing the web and word processing, but I'm impressed with the performance for the entry level model

Well it can't really be used for much else unless it's constantly plugged in. Or well, you could watch iTunes videos on it for hours! Then again, why would you waste an expensive laptop on something even the cheapest iPad can do (for longer).
 
Surprisingly, I've grown to prefer the new keyboard. Would still rather have 32GB of RAM. It doesn't sting so much that these new machines still don't support more than 16GB.

Keyboards are a very personal thing, I prefer lots of travel in the keys. Most manufacturers offer a choice by having different models of laptop, Apple don't do this. It's a shame because they influence the market too much. While ThinkPad keyboards are better than pretty much any other laptop out there they too have copied Apple in their design and aren't nearly as good as they used to be.
 
@All the people crying about a faster model coming out 8 months later:
Don't buy this one. Next year's model will ship with 6 core Coffee Lake CPUs.
But you shouldn't get that one either. The one after will ship with Intel's first 10 nm CPUs offering noticeable advantages in battery life and thermals. This one isn't the one to get as well: if rumors are right, the one after that might include a complete architecture overhaul with way bigger IPC increases than usual.

You see my point?

Some updates are more significant than others. This update is a big nothing burger for anyone with a 2016 model though.
 
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If you legitimately need 64GB of RAM and you're using a highly portable device...you need to reevaluate.

Who says it has to be HIGHLY portable? There's that crappy 12" macbook for that already. It'd be nice to see them come up with an actual pro laptop. Enough power to survive something more than light web browsing and iTunes videos and a battery to back it up so you can actually work for more than brief spurts. And connectivity to go with it. I doubt that's going to happen, though, even when they actually did some decent choices with the new iMac models.
 
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I ordered a 2016 15" with 2.9ghz and 460 when it came out after holding onto an upgraded 2011 laptop forever. While I'd like to have the 560 (more than the incremental cpu upgrade) I'd rather Apple release hardware every 8 months than 16. New major revisions take longer, if I wanted to maximize I would have waited for revB but I wanted a new machine (mostly for the display, gpu, and battery life).

I'm still happy.
 
Wait for coffee lake...

Remember back in the day, for the 15" MacBook Pro... people talking about Nehalem and all the performance boosts and all that jazz...

Architectural advancements for CPUs have significantly diminished due to the difficulty of scaling down the fab and ensuring enough yield.

Probably going to go with a 15" TB 2017 one. Looks like the advice I was given back in 2008 and 2012 on the MR forums still apply: 'Buy if you need, wait if you don't.'
 
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What ever happened to Moore's Law? I just checked the scores against my 2012 rMBP, 2.7 GHz, i7 and single core improvement is only 19.7% and multi-core improvement is only 24.4% What gives? Should one expect in nearly 5 years a much more significant improvement in performance?
 
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That's just the CPU. There are other things like SSD/RAM I/O performance which the mid-2012 15" rMBP just won't be able to keep up. The NVMe/PCIe SSD is a lot faster and with lower latency than the SATA 3 SSD in the old rMBP (Apple moved to PCIe with the late 2013 model moved to NVMe from AHCI with the late 2016 models).

If your compare the SATA3 SSD performance to the current NVMe/PCIe, we're looking at a jump from around 400 MB/s read and write to over 2GB/s. That's a huge gain.

Then there's the GPU. The GT650M is old and can't run most of the games released in the last two years.

Plus there's Thunderbolt 3 which allows you to add external GPU and brings the performance of the MBP up another notch or two. That's not possible with the mid-2012 model. And I'm speaking as someone who also has been running the mid-2012 model for the last 5 years. This year is the first year when my rMBP starts to feel slow.

The 2012 rMBP has a better keyboard, is quieter, has more useful ports + megasafe. I do need a faster CPU but the 2016 model is an insult.
 
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expect similar performance increases for the 13" as well. The core clock speed is .2GHZ faster on both. It's impressive that it translates into so much more performance though.
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you bought a machine 6 months ago, apple updates it now -> your computer drops in resale value by a certain amount
You bought the machine 6 months ago, Apple delays updates for 6 months, you've still got the same machine. -> your computer drops in resale value by that same certain amount

So what? If your computer purchase decisions are based on resale value then your priorities are out of whack.
 
The mid-2015 model with a i7-4870HQ 2500 MHz scored 4228 / 14551.

I’m not all that impressed. Price to performance the new ones are a bad deal. Less bad compared to the 2016 model, but still bad. Add the fact one listed in dongle hell without MagSafe.
 
I'm so glad I bought mine six months ago when it previously took them three years to update.... what a slap in the face...
That 20% upgrade sounds a lot however I can guarantee you would barely notice any difference whatsoever in real world use compared to your computer.

I would look at it in a different way. All these people had to wait 8 months for such an incremental upgrade that they will barely notice while you have had an incredible computer for 8 months.

You were the one who made the right choice. Not them.
 
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As a 2016 MBP owner I honestly couldn't care less. If you want to never know what it's like to have your latest product be superseded then wait until the day you die before buying! :eek:

I'm just glad I'm a Mac user and not a Dell or Lenovo or (insert Wintel brand here) user because you only get about a week if you're lucky before some other random variant comes out. At least with Apple you get 6/12/36 months! :)

To those being smug today that they've got the latest, greatest MBP, enjoy that for maybe 6 months until the 32GB model comes out, or the ones in new colours, or the one with the glowing Apple logo again or (kidding) the one which reintroduces MagSafe! :D
 
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