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When you take into account the amount of users who have held onto the iPhone 6, 6s and 7, Apple will indeed have a super cycle. Lets not forget about those who are likely on a 5s or SE interested in moving to larger model. There are the fanatics who upgrade every year, but they are more likely a niche.

For me, I see this as a 'S' year and I am more interested in next years model, which will probably be the first 5G iPhone.

Count me as one who would gladly switch to an updated SE phone from a 7. I know it's too much to hope they keep the audio jack.
 
Yes, and unicorns will take the role of Bixby too and actually be useful. Something else?
Samsung also has a borderline dangerous / useless Iris reader; Samsung loves throwing dung at walls and putting things that don't work so well in their phone.

Bixby
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Hearing the A12 numbers are 50% improvement over A11 for single and multicore speeds. This would mean 6000+/15000+ scores...
 
im sure Jony cringes inside every time he sees it being a designer and understanding symmetry. But yes it is a compromise for current tech. Best believe when they can get rid of it they will. Its not a Apple design they want to keep forever like their logo its a stepping stone.

Notch is lazy and rushed engineering. With all the money Apple have they can invest in R&D to do it the right way with in-screen sensors without notch but it would mean one fewer upgrade cycle to profit from. This way they can pitch the notch as magical then when they remove the notch it's even more magical.
 
When I said 8, yes I meant both the 8 and 8 Plus.

My original argument: "It's known that the 8 outsells the X in total units". When I interpret best selling, I interpret it in units, not ASP/revenue. What does best selling mean to you? Highest revenue or most units sold? Like you said, you can infer from sales numbers. This is what makes Tim Cook's statement very ambiguous, and you don't even realize it.

If you look at Statista, there are graphs correlating on unit sales for iPhone 8/8+ vs X, and they support that the iPhone X is the highest revenue driving model as of the last few quarters, but the 8/8+ have sold more units.
You actually don’t know the unit sales, so your argument that this 8 sells more units is complete speculation. It’s also likely wrong based on Cook’s comments and the sales data we do know. iPhone X had an enormous impact to revenue and ASP. It’s clear in the math and combined with Tim Cook’s statement 3 quarters in a row on the X.

I’m simply arguing the X is a huge success, indicated by the new phones all adopting the design and FaceID. The numbers like iPhone revenue and ASP also support the success of X. Tim’s comments that the X is the best selling iPhone is just icing on the cake. I can find the exact quote, but the way he states it does make it sound like iPhone X is selling the most units of any single model...not revenue.
 
Notch is lazy and rushed engineering. With all the money Apple have they can invest in R&D to do it the right way with in-screen sensors without notch but it would mean one fewer upgrade cycle to profit from. This way they can pitch the notch as magical then when they remove the notch it's even more magical.
Exactly. It will get people that bought into this design(me included) to jump at a true full screen phone. Every manufacturer knows they want the first true all screen phone. Its inevitable.
The people that say the notch is an apple trademark is nonsense.
I still dont think tech is ready but $$$ is a big factor and people will upgrade for a true full screen phone
 
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They dominate profits because they're able to charge this price in their segment.
You think you can charge any price you want and people will just buy it. Guess you think people buying Apple products are "sheeps" huh. These days most high end phones close to the same price btw.
Market Share is usually BY SEGMENT, not the overall market.

BMV having 10% of the overall market is irrelevant to them and anyone looking at that market.
Do you really think BMW gives a crap if TATA is selling more under 10K car than them: no they don't.
They'll notice if TATA get 10% of the over 40K car market and that may be a much smaller number than the number needed to sell as much cars than them overall (in all segments).

If someone has 80% of the craft beer segment, wtf should they care if they only control 5% of the beer market and what kind of useless information would that be? That's the same argument people keep making here.


Go find a damn marketing manual!
that's exactly the point. It only takes 10% in sales for Apple to make massive profits. Talk about a grossly over priced product!
 
I know I am not too thrilled with the 828p display prediction from Kuo since he is one of the most accurate in the rumor mill business, but I think I will go for the LCD model regardless. I want the form factor at a budget price so I can ditch my 8+. Definitely would probably trade in my 8+ to a T-Mobile or an Apple to get $ off that potential $700 price tag.
 
give me ports and a great front facing camera please
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I would imagine lots of people will upgrade from older models this year. I have a 6S myself and haven't upgraded simply because the phone still does what I need it to perfectly fine.

I have the 6S too. Best phone they ever built. Bought it last year. Now it's already frikkin vintage, but still working splendidly under iOS 10. I'll update when I can use it instead of a mirrorless camera the likes of a Sony A6500 lol.
 
"Whatever" reason is COST, so the handwave is idiotic.
Markets are segmented, people with a low income in India, China, Indonesia, Brazil won't buy an Iphone or indeed any Apple product ever. Their other desires are irrelevant; pricing is the only factor. They constitute a huge part of this 85%.

In the US, where many people do have the means to buy Iphones, Apple is on par with Android. And even in the US, the highest demos buy more Apple products; that's a fact.

So, yes the Iphone should be compared it to its own market segment, like it's usually done in marketing and not in clickbait articles on "market share". Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it, resulting in consolidating its profit share. That's also seen in many electronics segments, headphones, smart watch, tablets, laptops and even PC's. They dominate profits everywhere.


"Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it"

Actually today Gartner is stating that Apple has fallen to #3 behind Samsung #1 and now Huawei at #2. IDC said this a month ago. Huawei does not even sell phones in the US. I can't see it being good for Apple if they ever did.
 
"Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it"

Actually today Gartner is stating that Apple has fallen to #3 behind Samsung #1 and now Huawei at #2. IDC said this a month ago. Huawei does not even sell phones in the US. I can't see it being good for Apple if they ever did.

Huawei will probably end up stealing more sales from Samsung than Apple.
 
You got it.
Apple sold 400,000 more smartphones last quarter versus Samsung losing 10,500,000 units.

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You can't really compare Apple vs samsung sales. Apple only makes IOS, Android has far more makers of phones. Imvho both IOS and Android are great, I loved WP as well.
 
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"Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it"

Actually today Gartner is stating that Apple has fallen to #3 behind Samsung #1 and now Huawei at #2. IDC said this a month ago. Huawei does not even sell phones in the US. I can't see it being good for Apple if they ever did.

Apple doesn't sell $100 dollar phones, it is not competing in that segment cause well, there is almost no profit to be made there QED. Read wtf I write before responding, otherwise desist. Apple is also not selling $1 hear buds, $20 "smartwatches" so I'm guess they're also losing that battle huh. Good god!
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that's exactly the point. It only takes 10% in sales for Apple to make massive profits. Talk about a grossly over priced product!

No, it's not the point, learn to read. If something is "overpriced" it means it's priced higher than it's actual value to the buyer. If people keep buying it for years and years, volume of sales don't change significantly, it's correctly priced.
 
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Did someone say 'super cycle'? ;)

This must be the SUPER DOOPER CYCLE. We've already had the super cycle, last year. Remember? The wheel fell off when the starting gun fired.
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You can't really compare Apple vs samsung sales. Apple only makes IOS, Android has far more makers of phones. Imvho both IOS and Android are great, I loved WP as well.

Do you have that comparison excluding $50 (and lower) - $600 phones? I think the figures would look entirely different (like 99% Apple, but even Apple doesn't want you to know that… they might be accused of being a monopoly).
 
Well, if that's the entire lineup, then they pretty much just ensured that the iPhone 8 will be my last iPhone. The phones are already too damn big and now the "smallest" phone is 30% larger??? I thought the 6s and the 8 were already too big, but they were at least tolerable even though I prefer the size of the 5s or SE. It's a phone, I don't want to carry a tablet around. If the "smallest" size available going forward is bigger than the 8+, which is huge, than I just don't see myself staying with Apple, regardless of how much I like the functionality.
It's bezeless, friend. The 5.8 inch X is the same size as the 6 and the 8.

Think about things before blindly commenting.
 
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No, it's not the point, learn to read. If something is "overpriced" it means it's priced higher than it's actual value to the buyer. If people keep buying it for years and years, volume of sales don't change significantly, it's correctly priced.
I’ve had this battle before lol. Obviously, high priced (expensive) is much different from over priced (too expensive), where products sell slowly if at all. Apple sells 225 million iPhones a year to buyers who value the product at or above the asking price. They’re not overpriced.

To some, overpriced simply means priced higher than they personally are willing/able to pay. They blindly ignore the obvious fact that nearly a quarter of a billion people a year are telling them their definition of “overpriced” is wrong.
 
$999 64gb
$1149 256gb
$1349 512gb.

Bank on it. ;)

People that think they need 512 will pony up the cash. Always have, always will. Very few pay cash for a phone in the US anyway. Start at a $30 a month payment, then $36, $42, $47, now upper $50's with the Xs Plus. The procession is so gradual and removed it becomes another required monthly expendature. I highly doubt the majority of Americans who purchase an Xs+ 512gb on a plan make a reduction somewhere else in their budget. It simply becomes the cost of feeding the need.

IMO, $1350 for a phone is sad testimony to which we are all so dependent on our devices. It's almost a "Must Have." It will be very interesting to watch the sales over the next 6-8 months starting Sept 14th. :apple:
If only Apple followed industry standards and put a damn microsd card slot like most Android OEMs do. Now they have dual SIM potentially coming next, they should have at least a hybrid slot. Samsung sells 128 and 512gb skus of Note 9 and still gives you an option of microsd. Why can't Apple?
 
Yeah, no, on phones this large I can live without the corners digging into my hands.
Never had a problem with the 5 style digging into my hands. It’s jusy a difference is style preference really. I think it would be easier to hold personally. Less likely to drop
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If only Apple followed industry standards and put a damn microsd card slot like most Android OEMs do. Now they have dual SIM potentially coming next, they should have at least a hybrid slot. Samsung sells 128 and 512gb skus of Note 9 and still gives you an option of microsd. Why can't Apple?
Because of $$$ in apples pocket. Easy as that. Greed
 
"Then, you see Apple is gaining and pushing out everyone else that directly competes with it"

Actually today Gartner is stating that Apple has fallen to #3 behind Samsung #1 and now Huawei at #2. IDC said this a month ago. Huawei does not even sell phones in the US. I can't see it being good for Apple if they ever did.
Huawei virtually doesn’t even compete with Apple...other Android guys should be way more concerned. Few people likely say, “Hmm, should I get this iPhone or this Hauwei?”

More like, “Well, if I want an OS is going to spy on me, I might as well get this Huawei instead of the Samsung.”
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If only Apple followed industry standards and put a damn microsd card slot like most Android OEMs do. Now they have dual SIM potentially coming next, they should have at least a hybrid slot. Samsung sells 128 and 512gb skus of Note 9 and still gives you an option of microsd. Why can't Apple?
Apple created this industry. I don’t want a micro SD.
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While I agree, it does not change the fact that Android has 85% of the market. Yes many or most of those are cheap Android phones that don't compare to any iPhone, but 85% of the market is NOT choosing iPhone for whatever reason.

Apple makes "brave moves" (sarcasm) like removing the headphone jack or giving you face ID and removing finger id, raising the ASP year after year, or not using USB-C and so far has not lost a lot of users. I feel like they are one brave move away from shattering user confidence and that could be very bad for Apple who gets a huge majority of revenue from the iPhone.

Honestly I feel like they have done that with the Macbooks already. Mac sales down 13% last quarter certainly is not good. The Throttlebook is not going to help sales.
Let me help you...I’m sure others have already.

Price is the reason.

Apple absolutely dominates the $600 and up smartphone world, which is why they own nearly all the smartphone profits.

Apple doesn’t care about market share, and no sane business would if they had Apple's position. Everyone wants to be Apple and the others just fight for scraps.

If you think 85% people choose Android bc they like it, you probably need to think again.
 
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