2018 iPhone Shipments to Apple This Fall Predicted to Be Highest Since iPhone 6 Lineup

[Shirasaki]

They dominate profits because they're able to charge this price in their segment.
You think you can charge any price you want and people will just buy it. Guess you think people buying Apple products are "sheeps" huh. These days most high end phones close to the same price btw.
Market Share is usually BY SEGMENT, not the overall market.

BMV having 10% of the overall market is irrelevant to them and anyone looking at that market.
Do you really think BMW gives a crap if TATA is selling more under 10K car than them: no they don't.
They'll notice if TATA get 10% of the over 40K car market and that may be a much smaller number than the number needed to sell as much cars than them overall (in all segments).

If someone has 80% of the craft beer segment, wtf should they care if they only control 5% of the beer market and what kind of useless information would that be? That's the same argument people keep making here.


Go find a damn marketing manual!

I don’t find his way calculating market share wrong. Based on https://www.investopedia.com/terms/m/marketshare.asp, market share is calculated for a specific market. High-income market IS a specific market. So yes, for people who sees Android occupying 80% of the smartphone market, they see the entire world as a specific market to analyse. Feel free to point out what I get wrong.

 

[Sam_S]

Come on new SE....

 

[MarkB786]

Good news for shareholders!

 

[AppleFan910]

Hearing the A12 numbers are 50% improvement over A11 for single and multicore speeds. This would mean 6000+/15000+ scores...

I doubt they’ll be that high. It would be awesome don’t get me wrong.
I’m thinking 4800-5000 single and 12k-13.5k multi

 

[AgentAnonymous]

Apple doesn't sell $100 dollar phones, it is not competing in that segment cause well, there is almost no profit to be made there QED. Read wtf I write before responding, otherwise desist. Apple is also not selling $1 hear buds, $20 "smartwatches" so I'm guess they're also losing that battle huh. Good god!
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No, it's not the point, learn to read. If something is "overpriced" it means it's priced higher than it's actual value to the buyer. If people keep buying it for years and years, volume of sales don't change significantly, it's correctly priced.

It's objectively overpriced for what you're paying for. There are just a lot of suckers, and a lot of people bad with money in general.
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I really can’t handle large phones anymore after having the note 5. I hate how the Android has pushed and influenced the notion that larger is better for current smartphones. I’m afraid that one of the main factors of my next smartphone purchase will be size, which is why I’m currently stickin with the iPhone 7.

However, a big conundrum is that I want the best specs for a smaller sized phone I.e., no gimping (I’m looking at you Apple).

Larger is better. A smartphone with a small screen is an astonishing waste of potential.

 

[AngstyKylo]

I am confident Apple will have a monster quarter. My guess is many people held out buying the X (although it still sold very well) due to cost and it being a first generation device. Now that they are expanding the design to 2 new models, one being much more affordable, while also reducing costs on the high end, it should entice a lot of buyers. Apple is in a great position as their products last so long, it creates a steady stream up upgraders year after year. There really isn't a viable competitor to the iPhone currently.

Yeah I have friends and family that didn't upgrade last year but will most likely do it this year. Especially people bored with their 6/6s or 7/8. I have to say iOS 12 works pretty well on my old 6s Plus, though.

 

[FFR]

If only Apple followed industry standards and put a damn microsd card slot like most Android OEMs do. Now they have dual SIM potentially coming next, they should have at least a hybrid slot. Samsung sells 128 and 512gb skus of Note 9 and still gives you an option of microsd. Why can't Apple?

Probably because Apple doesn’t make and sell sd cards like Samsung.

It’s not their business.

 

[Ramchi]

Huawei will probably end up stealing more sales from Samsung than Apple.

and Apple can never grow in markets where Huawei is available, essentially Apple growth will be restricted to very very few matured markets...these very very few markets will end up financing Apple profits

 

[FFR]

Never had a problem with the 5 style digging into my hands. It’s jusy a difference is style preference really. I think it would be easier to hold personally. Less likely to drop
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Because of $$$ in apples pocket. Easy as that. Greed

Instead of $$$ in Samsung’s pocket.

 

[Abazigal]

and Apple can never grow in markets where Huawei is available, essentially Apple growth will be restricted to very very few matured markets...these very very few markets will end up financing Apple profits

Well, serving to the premium market means selling fewer quantities of a product at higher margins.

It’s just the reality of Apple’s business model. Even they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

 

[bluecoast]

The LCD 6.1 model is going to sell a ridiculous amount of units.

Many of those who have ageing 6 and 6s series (hundreds of millions) are going to see a device with a significant jump in functionality and form factor at an attractive price - and push the upgrade button.

The interesting thing for me, is how many people will still buy the 'X2' and 'X2 Plus'.

Yes, the screen will be better (and bigger with the X2) and no doubt, the camera on both will see a significant upgrade - especially on the Plus.

But is that really going to justify spending (possibly) $250-400 extra even just on the entry level models?

I guess we'll find out.

 

[pete2106]

reasonable price? hahahahaaa. That is not Apple's DNA. More chances they are going to add a few more features and up the price.

I said 'more reasonable', I don't expect Apple are suddenly gonna start cutting prices down, but if we get a phone for around the $600 - $700, that seems like a good spot.

 

[WatchFromAfar]

I doubt they’ll be that high. It would be awesome don’t get me wrong.
I’m thinking 4800-5000 single and 12k-13.5k multi

People look at the numbers go "yea" then install the same 15 apps they were using before. Is anyone waiting for a new phone so they can install a new app that they previously couldn't? Or can every app be installed right now regardless of new flashy iPhones?

 

[techblogger911]

Come on new SE....

I know right! I have been waiting to upgrade but don't want those idiotic notch + no headphone jack crap lol.

 

[The Game 161]

Can see 6.1 inch selling well but if it’s coming out after the main two oled then maybe that might affect sales.

 

[[AUT] Thomas]

Your facts about the X are “it’s not that amazing” and “ you don’t see many people with it?”

Meanwhile, I post hard numbers that prove the X is selling incredibly well.

The proof is in the numbers. What financial metric has shown poor sales for X?

Apple can’t lie, so if Tim says it’s the best selllng iPhone, it is. The numbers I posted support that as well. Not sure what else you need.

Keep making me laugh.

OK, let me elaborate on my post:
Selling to whom: End-Users or carriers, retailers? When the X was launched I was in London shortly afterwards where they had the X on display at an airport store. An employee proudly announced that they already got stock in store (for lowest market price, so a good deal if you wanted one). At an airport. Guess what. Literally not a single person cared. The X is simply too expensive to be sold off-contract. If you sell on contract you can even charge 1500$/€/... because it's basically leasing. This kind of price policy doesn't scale. In Europe, unlike the US, the average contract is like 10-20€. If you want the X you got to pay like 50+ per month compared to SIM only. People do the math.
Selling by what: I'm certain this can only be raw revenue the X created by its price as the X for sure didn't outsell in units sold. Again, revenue created by whom?
In comparison to what: This is where statistics kick in and the bookkeepers move their numbers to make them match. Do we compare to a specific month/quarter/overall time? Which continent (!) or overall? Are we counting "orders placed" or "orders fullfilled"? Carries may be placing a large volume order which they cancelled later due to low demand on their side.

Unless you have detailed insights into Apples orders everything is speculation.
I, for my part, trust in what I have seen. And I haven't seen many X.

 

[x-evil-x]

OK, let me elaborate on my post:
Selling to whom: End-Users or carriers, retailers? When the X was launched I was in London shortly afterwards where they had the X on display at an airport store. An employee proudly announced that they already got stock in store (for lowest market price, so a good deal if you wanted one). At an airport. Guess what. Literally not a single person cared. The X is simply too expensive to be sold off-contract. If you sell on contract you can even charge 1500$/€/... because it's basically leasing. This kind of price policy doesn't scale. In Europe, unlike the US, the average contract is like 10-20€. If you want the X you got to pay like 50+ per month compared to SIM only. People do the math.
Selling by what: I'm certain this can only be raw revenue the X created by its price as the X for sure didn't outsell in units sold. Again, revenue created by whom?
In comparison to what: This is where statistics kick in and the bookkeepers move their numbers to make them match. Do we compare to a specific month/quarter/overall time? Which continent (!) or overall? Are we counting "orders placed" or "orders fullfilled"? Carries may be placing a large volume order which they cancelled later due to low demand on their side.

Unless you have detailed insights into Apples orders everything is speculation.
I, for my part, trust in what I have seen. And I haven't seen many X.

I agree that it is very hard to figure out how well the X is selling. I haven't seen many in the wild either. Everyone that sees mine is always like isnt that 1000$. The price is a bit ridiculous.
I personally miss the price of subsidies where you paid 300$ for a phone and a 2 year contract. When this was dropped cell phone companies made so much goddamn money and people dont seem to care. I didn't really pay for a phone till the 7+ because of subsidies. I wasnt planning on canceling my phone contract and the phone is yours after 2 years. sell it and buy another for subsidy and it was a wash. I wish things where still like this as I think selling the X will get catabolized by apple lowering the price of the new phones (if they do). So people even owning this 1000-1250$ phone are going to lose upwards of 500$ to upgrade which is ridiculous. too much greed going on with phones and cell phone providers nowadays it makes me sick and people on here praising apple and just taking the huge bill and paying it without thinking twice.

 

[FFR]

You can't really compare Apple vs samsung sales. Apple only makes IOS, Android has far more makers of phones. Imvho both IOS and Android are great, I loved WP as well.

Pretty sure you can.
It’s a vendors comparison, they even have a chart.

Sure, but when you look at a price range.
700 dollars and up. Not that many vendors that compete. And the ones that do, do so with only on or two models.

 

[Shanghaichica]

They 6.1 inch model is gonna sell a ton.

I’m getting the 6.5 inch model.
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Well, serving to the premium market means selling fewer quantities of a product at higher margins.

It’s just the reality of Apple’s business model. Even they can’t have their cake and eat it too.

I think Apple have accepted that they aren’t going to dominate in places like China, India and Africa. However like you said it really doesn’t matter as they make a ton of money by selling their phones at higher prices. Look at Samsung and Huwawei they sell a lot more phones than Apple, yet they don’t come anywhere close to Apple in terms of profits.

 

[Baymowe335]

OK, let me elaborate on my post:
Selling to whom: End-Users or carriers, retailers? When the X was launched I was in London shortly afterwards where they had the X on display at an airport store. An employee proudly announced that they already got stock in store (for lowest market price, so a good deal if you wanted one). At an airport. Guess what. Literally not a single person cared. The X is simply too expensive to be sold off-contract. If you sell on contract you can even charge 1500$/€/... because it's basically leasing. This kind of price policy doesn't scale. In Europe, unlike the US, the average contract is like 10-20€. If you want the X you got to pay like 50+ per month compared to SIM only. People do the math.
Selling by what: I'm certain this can only be raw revenue the X created by its price as the X for sure didn't outsell in units sold. Again, revenue created by whom?
In comparison to what: This is where statistics kick in and the bookkeepers move their numbers to make them match. Do we compare to a specific month/quarter/overall time? Which continent (!) or overall? Are we counting "orders placed" or "orders fullfilled"? Carries may be placing a large volume order which they cancelled later due to low demand on their side.

Unless you have detailed insights into Apples orders everything is speculation.
I, for my part, trust in what I have seen. And I haven't seen many X.

Dude....wow is all I can say. You trust what you’ve seen despite Cook saying it’s the best selling phone in the lineup and a $796 ASP? Revenue for iPhone is up 16% y/y on 1% unit growth!! 16 Percent over THREE quarters. How do you explain 16% growth on such an ENORMOUS business? People just really liked iPhone 8? LOL!!

Wow, another anectodal story about an iPhone X and an airport...dude, who Cares? Cook told you the X is the most popular iPhone and 16% growth in iPhone revenue with 2 old designs and 1 brand new design that starts at $999 makes it pretty obvious what’s driving that.

I mean, you are just flat out wrong...believe what you want.

 

[FFR]

Dude....wow is all I can say. You trust what you’ve seen despite Cook saying it’s the best selling phone in the lineup and a $796 ASP? Revenue for iPhone is up 16% y/y on 1% unit growth!! 16 Percent over THREE quarters. How do you explain 16% growth on such an ENORMOUS business? People just really liked iPhone 8? LOL!!

Wow, another anectodal story about an iPhone X and an airport...dude, who Cares? Cook told you the X is the most popular iPhone and 16% growth in iPhone revenue with 2 old designs and 1 brand new design that starts at $999 makes it pretty obvious what’s driving that.

I mean, you are just flat out wrong...believe what you want.

I think he is confusing an airport store with an Apple store.

 

[Ramchi]

Everyone misreading the probable price ranges for 6.1 and 6.5 models. 6.1 entry level alone with knock-off specs will be around $600 anything with higher storage going to cost as close to X models. And, X & X2 etc . .. will be for mortals in this earth, forget the prices of these models beyond 64 GB!!!

 

[DNichter]

and Apple can never grow in markets where Huawei is available, essentially Apple growth will be restricted to very very few matured markets...these very very few markets will end up financing Apple profits

I'd imagine Apple understand and accepts that. On the other side of it, the rest of the smartphone manufacturers don't make a ton of revenue off the markets Apple doesn't own. I know what position I would rather be in.

 

[AppleFan910]

People look at the numbers go "yea" then install the same 15 apps they were using before. Is anyone waiting for a new phone so they can install a new app that they previously couldn't? Or can every app be installed right now regardless of new flashy iPhones?

I don’t understand your point?? Regardless of which phone you have, that being a 6-X, most apps will work. Obviously newer models will have better graphics and quicker load times. The OP stated he heard 6000 single core and (I think) and 15k multi. Most iPhones that are out can run most apps efficiently. Obviously older models it might take a few more seconds to load.

 

[Shanghaichica]

Everyone misreading the probable price ranges for 6.1 and 6.5 models. 6.1 entry level alone with knock-off specs will be around $600 anything with higher storage going to cost as close to X models. And, X & X2 etc . .. will be for mortals in this earth, forget the prices of these models beyond 64 GB!!!

The X plus is reported to start at $999 which is what the X started at last year. If there’s a 512GB it will probably cost a bit more than I paid for my 256GB iPhone X last year.