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They should ship them without a charger and let people buy what they want, be it a fast charger or cheap standard 5w jobbie. Many people don't need a charger at all or at the most just the cable.

This should be standard practice for every single phone sold.
 
Well, its about time. Apple is lagging in this area for years now. Most $500 Android phones can charge in around 30 - 45 minutes, iPhone X takes 2+ hours. On top of that most $500 Android phones last 2 days on a charge, and they don't even slow your performance down to achieve that.

You would think Apple with their proprietary ARM chip design and custom OS could not only support rapid charging but also offer significantly better power management to make the iPhone X last at least a few days? I mean what is the point of all that in-house hardware specialization and tight software integration when a Chinese flagship with off the shelf parts and 3rd party OS can charge faster and last longer. Seems like Apple is throwing good money into R&D and not matching what a Chinese OEM can crank out in a few months. Maybe Apple should spend less time and money designing the perfect notch and more of it focusing on actually making their customized internals match customer expectations.

Everything else aside, if Apple wants to charge you $1300 for a phone it better be the best in EVERY area of its technology, and not just good at animating poo.
 
Can you name a iPhone that does not slow down after 2 OS update?

...Phones are purely commodity. Anything money can buy is commodity. If my 300 dollars Android phone comes with quick charger and USB C cable and headphone, then $1300 iPhone X should.

The idea of a "commodity" implies equivalence. If I can buy essentially the same thing (a hamburger, a gallon of gasoline, or a roll of paper towel) from different companies then those items would be considered commodities. There is a continuum between "pure commodities" (identical products from various sources) to one of a kind items (a hand painted, commissioned portrait). Smart phones fall somewhere between these extremes but I doubt many people would consider an iPhone and an Android to be equivalent even though they have a lot in common.
 
I'm surprised they are doing this at all, was figuring they enclose the entire phone in glass with no ports and use wireless charging.
 
Do these things generally use electricity all the time they are plugged in, or only when an attached device is drawing power?

Also wondering about the usb power ports being builtin into wall outlets - same question... I bought a pair of the in-wall outlets, but didn't install because I was unsure if they turn off, or continue to suck up power...
 
I've been using an iPad charger for my iPhone for years. I only keep the little iPhone charger in my bag for emergencies.
Everything's hooked up to a USB-hub on my desk. 1 wireless charger, 1 Apple Watch charger, 2 lightning cables and 1 micro-USB cable. Charges my iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, and (occasionally) AirPods and Apple TV remote plus power bank.
 
I'm sure Tim will spend 10 minutes in the next keynote bragging about how innovative something other manufacturers have had since 2014 is.
 
I was more referring to the things I regularly connect/unplug and hook up to different devices. I couldn’t care less about what connector my mouse and keyboard uses but going forward Type-C would be nice on those too.

I’m not too sure on your last statement.
My lightning connector wobbles in its socket while my USB-C devices have always been solid. My MacBook has been yanked while plugged in a few times and still connects up perfectly. Yet my lightning cable has a lot of wiggle.

Type-C is the future, ever other connector should just die off.

All of my (non-Apple) USB-C connections have felt delicate. I didn't trust myself to go to bed and then plug the phone in. I've been using Lightning probably as long as you have and none of mine have wiggled.

Both the smaller size and greater durability make it a better connector. The only reason I could see switching to C would be to be more compatible with android people, but they don't count anyway. They're the reason why the USB-C scene is such a mess.
 
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Do the other phones give you iOS, years of hardware and software support, and the integration of software/hardware of Apple?
Let's grow up and not act like phones are purely a commodity. There is a difference between the Apple experience, support, and service over the Android competitor.

"Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong."

Do the other phones give you iOS? You know iOS only runs on iDevices and is not open to other manufactures right? what is the point of this questions then, iOS is good, bloatware and slow but UI feels more polished than Android, not easier or harder to use than Android.
years of hardware and software support? How many years: 2, 3? I had devices that were slowed down by iOS updates just because, not reasonable feature to justify the performance degradation, however it was proven that Apple can slow down devices on purpose, they could provide real support for older devices instead of bricking them with newer versions of iOS. And if you are wondering about Android, the answers is yes.. in fact I just got an update today and my device is more than a year old, so I got "years of hardware and software support"
and the integration of software/hardware of Apple? The integration of Apple used to be an advantage because software was suppose to work better, however latest iOS and macOS can give you a clue that "Apple integration" means nothing anymore.
There is a difference between the Apple experience, support, and service over the Android competitor. Of course, but it doesn't mean that "Apple experience" is better, my experience with Apple was just bad, there are people who had issues with batteries and Apple said it was fine, however it wasn't and they may not be happy about that. Customers on both sides can say good and bad things about it.

You blindly assume that there is nothing else better than iOS and Apple for everybody.
 
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I seem to remember very similar speculation last year about the inclusion of a 10W USB-C based charger.

That didn’t happen unfortunately.

With margin wringing Apple, I’ll believe it when I see it.


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EDIT: there also seems to be some confusion in this thread (as there was with last year’s speculation).

This isn’t about having a USB-C port on the phones themselves, it is about USB-C chargers and USB-C to lightning cables to provide increased wattage, faster charging capability.
 
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Come on Apple, just switch away from Lightning cables completely and use USB-C all the way, there is no reason not to and then it will work with the same cables as all of the other newer phones out there.
 
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it does on my iphone x.

it did on my iPhone 6S ... for about one month after purchase. Then when I turned off WIFI for another 2 months. Now it's recharging time at 4pm. I live in Hong Kong and use my phone more than one occasional text every few hours.
 
A Europlug has to be slim to fit into the various European sockets that are often recessed. The most common European socket is the Schuko socket which can take a round plug (with indentations at all four cardinal directions) or a smaller shape that fits into the round profile. The French socket is round as well but needs a hole in the plug for the ground contact (instead of using indentations). The Swiss socket requires a fairly slim plug.
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But thanks to the recessed nature of most modern sockets plus the fact that both pins a slightly angled towards each other, it actually sits quite solidly in its sockets.
So the European plus is actually a standard designed to fit many different sockets? I didn’t know that, that’s interesting.

Still, I hope the U.K. version adopts (maintains) a vertical layout.
 
Come on Apple, just switch away from Lightning cables completely and use USB-C all the way, there is no reason not to and then it will work with the same cables as all of the other newer phones out there.

Fat chance, they are committed to lightning for ten years.

It's going to be USB-C to lightning, just like what we use on Macbooks today.
 
given the amount of devices I have with apple not sure I would want that as that would require more and different cables around.
Right but I was talking more along the lines of a better union with non-Apple devices. If they switched over to usb-c as well, then it truly would be an industry standard among all major product categories.

And that just sounds amazing; to be able to use the same charger moving forward as Samsung owners, Pixel owners, etc.
 
I wish they would standardise with usbc across all devices. Even though lighting is better, I’d still prefer a switch for unification. This would allow usbc devices to connect to iOS without adapters and be used the same as any pc or Mac.
What makes Lightning better than USB-C?
 
What makes Lightning better than USB-C?

Being a standard which Apple controls, I am generally assured of better quality lightning cables and accessories compared to usb C alternatives.

Plus, lightning feels more reinforced and sturdy overall. The iPhone stand by Apple is essentially a single male lightning connector which has to support the weight of an entire iPhone. I am dubious as to whether usb C, which is hollow inside, is as durable.

When it comes to standards, I find that Apple’s own closed standards are at least comparable, and often superior, to industry standards (for those entrenched in the Apple ecosystem in the very least).
 
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