Agreed. I've been too nervous to take mine in the garden. There's things dropping from my trees and a breeze to disperse.
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2018 MacBook Pro Has 'Quieter' Keyboard, But Unclear if Sticky and Unresponsive Key Issues Addressed
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Agreed. I've been too nervous to take mine in the garden. There's things dropping from my trees and a breeze to disperse.
If they really did not focus on making the keyboard more reliable and immune to keys sticking or not registering, then they completely missed the elephant in the room.
While reducing noise is good, having a keyboard that does not require sending the unit in for 1-2 week repair is key (pun intended
).
While reducing noise is good, having a keyboard that does not require sending the unit in for 1-2 week repair is key (pun intended
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Until Apple comes out and says "here is what the problem was and here is how we fixed it" I'm not buying it.
A "quieter" keyboard?
Sigh.
Yup, that's what we all hated about it, Tim. It was too *loud*. Not that it had a flawed design that allowed it to fail due to common amounts of dust found in most homes or offices, not that the lack of key travel is actually painful for some who were brought up as a touch typists and perform a lot of data input. Nope, we thought it was just too damn *loud*.
Yup...
I guess we're all just typing on it wrong?
So, now the new maxed out price for the 15" is $2400 higher, the 2TB option w/ max processor/ram went up $400 (now $4699), the new full-tilt maxed out price is $6699, and it still comes with the crappiest keyboard Apple's ever made.
Yup.
Guess I'm hanging on to my 2012-non-retina another year... The original KB still works BTW...
Sigh.
Yup, that's what we all hated about it, Tim. It was too *loud*. Not that it had a flawed design that allowed it to fail due to common amounts of dust found in most homes or offices, not that the lack of key travel is actually painful for some who were brought up as a touch typists and perform a lot of data input. Nope, we thought it was just too damn *loud*.
Yup...
I guess we're all just typing on it wrong?
So, now the new maxed out price for the 15" is $2400 higher, the 2TB option w/ max processor/ram went up $400 (now $4699), the new full-tilt maxed out price is $6699, and it still comes with the crappiest keyboard Apple's ever made.
Yup.
Guess I'm hanging on to my 2012-non-retina another year... The original KB still works BTW...
Although I really want a new MBP I will wait and see the reviews to check if they fixed the keyboard issue.
Let's face it, the general feeling around here is that the TB is a waste of space, time and money.
This is what's giving me pause. I'm spending almost 3k, I do not want to deal with keyboard problems.
You expect wrong.
It's millions of us buying MacBook Pro's, every month.
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Then don't buy it.
Yeah a keyboard that fails with the slightest bit of debris
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There's no difference between the 2016 and 2017 MBP keyboard design. They're both 2nd gen butterfly. The MacBook was the only Apple laptop with the 1st gen butterfly.
This is it, this is the way to go. Apple just need to be direct and plain simple when communicating things like this. Do the Apple apologists think they are well treated by Apple? I do not, certainly. Apple lost my trust and they have to work to gain it again.
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So nobody knows, it’s all speculation. And speculation based on using the new keyboard for a few minutes. A lot of people are making assumptions that the butterfly design is the problem when they don’t have anything to back it up. FWIW on John Gruber’s latest podcast he said he heard the issue was with a metal part not being up to spec. Of course if there was a specific design issue Apple would fix it and not say anything.
... according to people that earn their living by sh___ on Apple.
And Apple who had to start a program to extend support for poorly designed keyboards....
How is it good for Apple for people’s keyboards to stop working properly?
If you want better specs than the base 13" model, you have no choice. Same with any 15" model.
Damn, here the world was thinking portable devices were meant to be used in everyday life when in reality we were supposed to use them in a cleanroom environment fully masked and gowned. Sorry Apple, our bad.
https://www.macrumors.com/2018/06/22/apple-macbook-pro-keyboard-repair-program/
Did you already forget that Apple launched a program for these keyboards? Did they do this for any other previous notebook keyboards? If not, did people coincidentally start smearing cheetoh dust onto their laptops with the launch of the 2016 MBPs? I think you can tone down the Apple can never ever do anything wrong attitude, when it’s clear that everyone screws up now and then, even Apple. They’re even admitting as such with this program and new keyboard design.
"This new third-generation keyboard wasn’t designed to solve those issues, Apple says. In fact, company representatives strenuously insisted that the keyboard issues have only affected a tiny, tiny fraction of its user base."
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/...-touchbar-2018-intel-processor-siri-true-tone
Not sure what other proof people want. If you wanted a fixed keyboard, this isn't it.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/7/12/...-touchbar-2018-intel-processor-siri-true-tone
Not sure what other proof people want. If you wanted a fixed keyboard, this isn't it.
Mike is part of the MacRumors team so you'd expect that actually, his job is to be generally positive about Apple. I'd say that he wouldn't be doing this if he wasn't a fan.
How is it in Apple’s interests to sell keyboards that will fail? One we don’t know the cause of the failure or how widespread it is. Two, Apple admitting a failure just opens them up to more lawsuits or possible complete recall. Assuming the failure rate is low (which is what Apple claims) they’ll fix the issue and not say anything about it.