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I have a feeling that Apple will quietly ditch touch bar just like 3D touch on iPhone after a few years because of underutilization and meaninglessly increasing the production difficulties of smartphone screen.
I think 3D Touch is more useful though, I use 3D Touch to swipe back apps all the time, use the 3D Touch keyboard navigation and 3D Touch firing in some games
 
Hundreds? Really? Of course everyones' needs are different, but I'm doing fine with two USB-C to USB-A 3.1 cables at $9 each. And a USB-C to RJ45 Gigabit Ethernet adapter for $15.

Similarly. I bought a single USB-C adapter for docking at work. It has HDMI, USB-C, and regular USB. Everything else I use is wireless so it’s perfect.
 
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That is a good point, I do notice some people's finger dexterity seems impaired and really pound on keys instead of a light touch. I even wonder if some people think the harder they bang, the faster they might be? Maybe these people are the small number of people having problems with keyboards. I actually never thought of it this way until now.
[doublepost=1531658462][/doublepost]Some of us learned touch typing on a mechanical typewriter :D
 
Serious question. How do people lose dongles/cords/etc all of the time? I have a colleague that consistently loses her charging cords and earbuds.

I am not saying that I don’t lose items; I lost a pocket square once on a business trip...it was my favorite. I just don’t understand how people can lose items so frequently that they have to purchase three, six or three hundred of the same item.

Tminus until I lose my wireless charger. Thanks.

Dongles become undongled when dangled too often. :apple:
 
I bought a 15’ MacBook Pro in 2013. I have used and overused this MacBook so much and I do a lot of photography as a semi-pro hobby photographer And I work a lot on a pc for work related purposes.

This MacBook Pro has been absolutely great and I’ve had almost no problem with it. Still does a lot of my Photo projects on Lightroom and photoshop very good Even after five years.

I would love to buy one of those new ones. kudos to Apple Inc. for making such awesome device that can last for so long.

I spent Around 4K for mc MacBook Pro five years ago to get the top of the line and I have to say it was worth Every single penny since day one. So for the People who think the price might be too high, I can Say from personal experience that it can live up to its reputation

My 2c
I definitely agree with you, because I happened to do the exact same thing. Also quickly came to discover that the 2013 fully maxed out 15" model may be the best overall notebook computer I had ever seen or used before. I love mine.

However, one small difference with today's situation. In 2012, Apple did their major redesign and introduced it. I had learned to wait until the 2nd year, to see what refinements and the usual price drop would occur. In 2013, we got big improvements, and got a price lowered by several hundred dollars, at least. Today, we have the significant redesign from 2016, but as of today, we have not gotten major upgrades within the redesign, other than processor and memory capability, and no lowering of price at all. The biggest problem for me remains the very lackluster graphics capability (compared to high level offerings from the other brands), which for a Pro model, I find so disappointing for the super premium price we have to pay for the best. Though, Dell and many others have far superior graphics capabilities to upgrade to, but seem to always get so many reviews and comments from users describing terrible overall support and quality of their offerings.

I feel so stuck.
 
You guys seem totally unaware of Moore’s law, that says price/performance in the IT industry typically doubles every 9 months.
Instead we have Cook’s law, where relative price nearly doubles every year (with y.o.y performance increase only ≈ 10% and lots of functionality just being abandoned)
More significant for Apple is the TouchBar economy: selling the emoji generation of Pro’s an outrageously expensive gimmick to keep them calm with a perceivedly free stream of emojis (and to keep Phil on board of course..)
Happy dongling !
LOL
Again look at their margins. Apple’s gross margin for FY 2010 was 39.4%. For FY 2017 gross margin was 38.5%. FY 2010 profit margin was 21.4%. FY 2017 profit margin was 21%. So in the past 8 years margins have remained basically the same even while there’s been a greater percentage of revenue coming from App Store and other higher margin services.
 
[doublepost=1531658462][/doublepost]Some of us learned touch typing on a mechanical typewriter :D
Yes, I'm in that old-fart camp, myself. When my older sister took typing class back in the 1960s, our parents found her a used 1940-something Royal manual for doing her homework assignments. I ended up with it soon afterward — had used it anyway every chance I got, happily “chunking” away on it — and, indeed, didn’t have so much as an electric typewriter until I went to graduate school. :)
 
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Amazing to spend that much on a laptop and then have the plethora of dongles hanging it out just to make connections to other cords...

Why?

A cord by any other name is still a cord, whether there is a dongle at the end or not I dont care. The best cord is no cord, and thats what the cloud is about. Or do you miss your floppy disk too?
 
And I'm sure everybody here would order one with 32GB of RAM, right? I mean that's one of the major issue everybody complained about on the previous version, no support for 32GB RAM.

:shrug:
 
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First of all 20% is a huge margin, and second of all I doubt you'll find even one other 2400 dollar laptop with only a 256GB SSD. You're also assuming all different parts must be inferior, when actually some of them are superior.
The Microsoft Surface Book 2 is $2500 base price with 256GB of flash storage. I think it is on sale right now for $150 off, back to school thing like Apple does, but it normally costs more and has the same base storage. That flash storage is also much slower than whatever Apple is doing here with their flash. The point is that similarly spec’d laptops are comparable in price. I almost bought a surface because I was sick of waiting for decent upgrades out of Apple. Not at all to save a bunch of money, because a lot of the laptops are in the same price range when you are going after professional laptops. I’m happily waiting on my MacBook Pro 15 to ship now instead, though.
 
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Hahaha, Apple wants to tell me a Radeon RX560X is "modern" (uh, it's basically a 3 yr old GPU with a clock speed tweak) and sell me the machine with it and a mediocre Intel processor that is built on antiquated 14nm processes in it for $6,700.

I'm an all-Apple fan boy and all, but, uh, even I have my limits.

The AMD RX-Series GPUs (Polaris) were introduced on June 26th, 2016, which is a little over two years ago, not three. This is AMD’s bridge year for GPUs as it works on Navi and die shrinks for 2019 production.

The RX560X that Apple is using in the MacBook Pro 2018 was released on April 3rd, 2018.

Since the 14nm process is so antiquated, please enlighten everyone here as to which shipping Intel CPU Apple should have used in the 2018 MacBook Pro that would not be “mediocre”?
 
The available specs are pretty good this time around. But I rather not spend that much on a laptop. But glad Apple is finally offering 32gb. That along with 2 extra cores will make VM usage much better.
 
What are the chances of you being able to pick up a maxed out 15 inch config in stores? They must keep at least one in the back for that special customer.
 
I really like the new 13” model, but for that much money I could buy a laptop with specs similar to those in the 15” model. If only there was a non touchbar 13” MacBook Pro...
 
These high prices are about one single thing only: making the switch to ARM-based Macs look mightily attractive. This year or next, the offer will be Intel-based Macs for a lung and a kidney; ARM-based Macs for a fair dollar.
 
Plethora of dongles (aka adapters in the adult world) to make connections other cords? Read again. Two USB-C to USB-A 3.1 **CABLES**. Not adapters. Did you ever have to purchase basic cables for your computers?

If you can't afford basic I/O cables at $9 each, you're not going to be able to afford an Apple laptop.

With respect to RJ45 ethernet, how long has it been since Apple offered a female RJ45 ethernet port on a laptop? Certainly not on a 2015 MBP that everyone seems to covet now.

It was the Mid-2012 MacBook Pros, one of which (13” Mid-2012) was sold until October of 2016. However, that model was never updated past an Ivy Bridge Core i5 and is not a very good metric with respect to the removal of the RJ-45, FW800, ExpressCard/34 and DVD-ROM as Apple left it to appease those whose still wanted those functions on their laptop.

A lot of people wailed and gnashed their teeth that Apple had made a horrible mistake by jettisoning these “important” ports, that the DVD-ROM was still essential for many users and that Apple may have prematurely removed useful features which could have a negative on sales and user perception all in the pursuit of thinner laptops.

Talk about dongle city, though...Thunderbolt to Gigabit Ethernet, Thunderbolt to FireWire 800, SuperDrive, MagSafe to MagSafe 2 adapter, all I have used at one time or another and none of which were all that cheap...$10 for a piece of aluminum and two magnets?!? Total cost for two adapters and a SuperDrive - $29+$29+$79=$137, for basic functionality in 2012! LOL!

So far, I have only one dongle TB3->TB2, the rest are purchase replacement USB-C cables. I honestly don’t miss MagSafe as the utility of USB PD is a better future, even if it is a bit messy right now.

The blind reverence for the 2012-2015 MacBook Pro is so funny considering I heard the same complaints and criticisms of Apple’s design decisions with that model as I have heard for the current generation MacBook Pro. YMMV.
 
The blind reverence for the 2012-2015 MacBook Pro is so funny considering I heard the same complaints and criticisms of Apple’s design decisions with that model as I have heard for the current generation MacBook Pro. YMMV.

Precisely.
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You’re right (it indeed is rather 18....24 months) and wrong (density has always helped price/performance) and Moore’s effect is supposed to slow down by physical limitations (in chip layer nanometers, yet to be reached)

As a side effect, Moore's law tends to improve price/performance, yes.

However in practice, ambient technologies (think of SSD and LDRAM density/price) still gain far more than Apple offers, effectively meaning that increasing margins goes before offering the best for its customers.
That was my point.

That may be so, but doesn't seem to be reflected in the overall fairly stable profit margin.
 
Are you talking about the launch of the iMac G3 in 1998 introducing USB to the masses? Sure seems that way.

'Apple Inc.'s iMac was the first mainstream product with USB and the iMac's success popularized USB itself.[12] Following Apple's design decision to remove all legacy ports from the iMac, many PC manufacturers began building legacy-free PCs, which led to the broader PC market using USB as a standard.[13][14][15]'

'The marketing and sales success of the iMac G3 contributed to Apple's turnaround from financial ruin in the late 1990s and revitalized the Apple brand as design-oriented and simple. It was, nevertheless, criticized for abandoning then-current technological standards like the floppy drive and the Apple Desktop Bus connector in favor of the emerging USB standard.'

It is strange why you are comparing an entry level consumer product to a pro level product. It took Apple approximately 20 years to even introduce a pro level iMac. I am not sure what you are alluding, however the original iMac was marketed as a quick and simple solution for the masses to get on the internet. It furthered the appeal with its bondi blue and translucent white colour scheme that resembled hard candy.

It was refreshing departure from the traditional beige boxes on the market at the time, that is why it succeed in a later revisions. The original released version was under-speced, tbh SCSI was a nightmare for most users and USB offered a simple I/O option for the majority. One cannot Compare the transition of SCSI to USB-A to that of USB-3 to USB-C.

Ethernet, HDMI ports are not going anywhere soon. Many third-party manufacturers still used these in their products as no one has to purchase an additional dongle, wire to connect and it is far more cost effective compared to USB-C. Even present implementations of USB-C products are a complete mess, these MBP USB-C models are beta-tester machines. The true MBP upgrade will have an AMOLED/microLED SuperRetina display, these 2016 MBP are stopgap products.
 
These high prices are about one single thing only: making the switch to ARM-based Macs look mightily attractive. This year or next, the offer will be Intel-based Macs for a lung and a kidney; ARM-based Macs for a fair dollar.
They might as well just kill the Mac off at that point. Abandoning the users & companies that require windows & virtualization to make their Mac work is one thing, but killing off all existing OSX software again but with this big of a user base vs when they did it from PPC, no way. Then again, they have demonstrated no problem whatsoever with flushing their best pro software, hardware, features, accessories, and services down the drain in the last few years, and seem to be a company that would really rather make disposable iToys and bloody TV shows and whatever seems trendy at the moment, so maybe you're right.
 
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