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I don't know about everyone out there but these prices are outrageous. I purchased my first iBook in 2002 and purchased several MBP over the years. They were always pricey but worth it. The last purchase was an entry level MBP in 2015 for $1,200. Now the entry level is over $1,700. Beyond my "worth it" barrier. Can't justify these prices for these specs. I guess I'm heading to the used market or Win10. For those purchasing, enjoy them!
The prices have barely changed, while the performance has increased at a minimum of 10x. I’d say it’s a hell of a value for a fantastic machine.
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That is correct. I’m impartial. I wouldn’t recommend a $2,400 laptop to anyone with only 256 of SSD storage. That’s barely enough space for an OS, Adobe creative suite, and a few temp files.

I look up machines on a weekly basis. I own an IT Consulting company, and I used to work for Apple ;)

That’s just insane for that little local storage.
C’mon man. I have Adobe CC, all of my coding apps, macOS (obviously) among other things and still have over 220gb available on my 2017 15”.
 
The prices have barely changed, while the performance has increased at a minimum of 10x. I’d say it’s a hell of a value for a fantastic machine.
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C’mon man. I have Adobe CC, all of my coding apps, macOS (obviously) among other things and still have over 220gb available on my 2017 15”.

I simply cannot agree paying $2,400 on a machine with only 256GB of local storage. Sorry, I can’t. I would not recommend this laptop.

I would rather have the quad core with 1TB of local PCIe-based SSD storage.
 
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I simply cannot agree paying $2,400 on a machine with only 256GB of local storage. Sorry, I can’t. I would not recommend this laptop.

I would rather have the quad core with 1TB of local PCIe-based SSD storage.
There are plenty of options for you then that will fit that spec. That doesn’t make the MacBook Pro (in any config) a bad machine. It makes it a bad machine for you.
 
That is a good point, I do notice some people's finger dexterity seems impaired and really pound on keys instead of a light touch. I even wonder if some people think the harder they bang, the faster they might be? Maybe these people are the small number of people having problems with keyboards. I actually never thought of it this way until now.

It's never Apple's fault, is it? The user is always violating some unwritten rule.
 
I bought a 15’ MacBook Pro in 2013. I have used and overused this MacBook so much and I do a lot of photography as a semi-pro hobby photographer And I work a lot on a pc for work related purposes.

This MacBook Pro has been absolutely great and I’ve had almost no problem with it. Still does a lot of my Photo projects on Lightroom and photoshop very good Even after five years.

I would love to buy one of those new ones. kudos to Apple Inc. for making such awesome device that can last for so long.

I spent Around 4K for mc MacBook Pro five years ago to get the top of the line and I have to say it was worth Every single penny since day one. So for the People who think the price might be too high, I can Say from personal experience that it can live up to its reputation

My 2c
 
There are plenty of options for you then that will fit that spec. That doesn’t make the MacBook Pro (in any config) a bad machine. It makes it a bad machine for you.

I agree with that as well. I just think a 512GB PCIe SSD would have been appropriate. I understand and appreciate your point, but you will have an external hard drive connected with a dongle very quickly with this $2,400 laptop in no time. Even on amazon an NVMe 512GB SSD is less than $180. This is definitely a peripheral where they made a massive profit margin.
 
Going to have to embrace the future or switch to PC.....
It isn’t hundreds anyway.

For the most part, just change the cables. USB C on one end then whatever you need on the other. About €7 each. Do you really need more than a couple at a time?
Or a single dongle with 4 Standard USB ports plus an ethernet port for about €10.
Change is inevitable with technology, otherwise we would still be using RS232 and scart.
 
I agree with that as well. I just think a 512GB PCIe SSD would have been appropriate. I understand and appreciate your point, but you will have an external hard drive connected with a dongle very quickly with this $2,400 laptop in no time. Even on amazon an NVMe 512GB SSD is less than $180. This is definitely a peripheral where they made a massive profit margin.
Actually I won’t. We have 3tb of NAS plus the cloud for storing our files.
 
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Actually I won’t. We have 3tb of NAS plus the cloud for storing our files.

It’s all dependent on your needs. Again, I used to work for Apple - I’m a fan, they treated me well, I just think the 6-core i7 was overkill, and 512GB of local storage is appropriate for that price range.

Also, a connected 3TB thunderbolt-based device, or lack of offline access to more space isn’t for me, you’re right. It’s a portable.

Love this healthy argument. :)
 
It’s all dependent on your needs. Again, I used to work for Apple - I’m a fan, they treated me well, I just think the 6-core i7 was overkill, and 512GB of local storage is appropriate for that price range.

Also, a connected 3TB thunderbolt-based device, or lack of offline access to more space isn’t for me, you’re right. It’s a portable.

Love this healthy argument. :)
It is completely needs based. I don’t need a 6-core i7, but I’ll take it. The storage has been mitigated by the cloud for me. Not great for all, but in a connected world, it seems to work fine.
 
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Here is what I'm trying to figure out: Should I pull the trigger on a MBP 13" or wait for an upgraded MB. Background:
  1. My work provides me with a high end MBP 15, but its managed by the company and I don't want anything personal on it. This is where I spend most of my time during the week and its capable and I'm quite happy with it.
  2. I recently gave my wife my 2017 MBP 15 with Touch Bar.
  3. This leaves me with no personal laptop to do my own side projects or anything that I want to do with it.
  4. I like carrying both my work and personal laptop in my laptop bag…so I don't really want something heavy.
My initial thoughts were to wait for a 2018 MacBook 12" with an 8th Gen i7 and 16GB of RAM. The size and weight are perfect to replace my iPad. CPU-wise it wouldn't compare to the 15 or even 13, but it would good enough and usable for a few years.

However doing more research I'm seeing that it doesn't support TB - which I'd want so as to dock occasionally with my TB dock - and while the CPU would suffice for now, I'm not sure it would last as long as I'd want.

The current MB Air is not an option as the screen is horrible to my tastes. I know because I've been borrowing one temporarily as my personal laptop. I do know a new Air may come with a retina screen and that may be an option, but its just a rumor.

So as I see it I have the option to either grab a 13" MBP and endure the extra size/weight that I'm not really wanting – or wait for a hopeful 12" MB with 8th gen/hopefully TB update – or perhaps the mythical Air replacement.

Right now none of the models really match what I want, I do have some time to wait – but not a lot as I have to give back the Air at a moment's notice.
 
Gosh, few years ago my top spec “off-the-shelf” 15” Retina MacBook Pro was just under £2k and now the top spec is £2,700... and still only a 500gb hard drive... I could barely afford it back then, never mind now! :-/
Same. My late 2011 15" mbp was £1550. I immediately put an SSD in it, alongside my data drive. It's a disgrace that Apple puts 256GB hard drives in their mbp's and now charges us £2700 for a 15" with a 512GB hard drive.
I'd much rather have a ten year old 1TB SSD than the world's fastest 256GB SSD.
 
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People has been saying all over the internet that quad core is way ahead of last years dual core. I get that, for sustained load, the CPU obviously is capable to process faster.

But for a regular Joe who uses the machine to surf the web, open a few apps couple of times - will he see any difference in terms of preference? Does the system become snappier? Does the new machine open Safari faster than last year's model when the icon on the dock is clicked on?

Just curious.

These machines are not aimed at the “regular Joe” they are Pro machines, it would be a complete waste for anyone to buy one just to use for surfing the web.
 
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Hundreds? Really? Of course everyones' needs are different, but I'm doing fine with two USB-C to USB-A 3.1 cables at $9 each. And a USB-C to RJ45 Gigabit Ethernet adapter for $15.
Dude, outrageous.
That’s then a couple hundred of adapters right there, I mean, after spending so many thousands of dollars you have to shell out even MOAR cash! Who they think they are??! giving us the most flexible ports that has ever existed! I’m a PRO that makes tons of money and needs this machine but of course I don’t want all this flexibility and I want it to cost $1000 or less, and even then I won’t buy it because it’s not a PRO machine. I’ll go with a $700 or less netbook that will work sometimes, because like the real professional that I am, I’m not willing to pay the price of a state of the art laptop that’s probably the main tool for my work. In fact I’ll complain childishly about it... I’m a PRO brah. /s
 
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I agree. Truly an abomination!!!

Looks like a way to a new begging.
 
All you have to do is look at Apple’s gross margins which have remained consistent even considering a larger percentage of their revenue is higher margin stuff like services. If Apple really was price gouging people wouldn’t their margins be a lot higher?

If Apple were price gouging they wouldn’t be able to sell products. They set their prices to what the market demands.

People will always want lower prices. But they’re very willing to pay.
 
Personally, I do feel all these cries of being tangled with dongles is way overblown.

My school just replaced our laptops with the HP elite tablets, which come with 1 USB-C port and 1 USB-A port. It's one hub to bring around for access to VGA, HDMI, power, and 2 extra USB A ports. I leave it at my table to hook it up to my external monitor setup. Together with a bluetooth keyboard, mouse and USB hub. Its pretty convenient being able to have everything connected just by plugging in a single cable. And when it's time to go, simply unplug the cable and I am on my way.

Who are these people purchasing half a dozen dongles and adaptors? I would seriously like to know how and why you have to carry so many around.
 
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Dude, outrageous.
That’s then a couple hundred of adapters right there, I mean, after spending so many thousands of dollars you have to shell out even MOAR cash! Who they think they are??! giving us the most flexible ports that has ever existed! I’m a PRO that makes tons of money and needs this machine but of course I don’t want all this flexibility and I want it to cost $1000 or less, and even then I won’t buy it because it’s not a PRO machine. I’ll go with a $700 or less netbook that will work sometimes, because like the real professional that I am, I’m not willing to pay the price of a state of the art laptop that’s probably the main tool for my work. In fact I’ll complain childishly about it... I’m a PRO brah. /s
>State of the art
>3 year old heavily underclocked low end consumer graphics card that appear in thin $800 laptops
>still thermal throttles after 5 mins of cpu and gpu load
>low res low color accuracy screen compared to the likes of 4K XPS
Seriously the only thing professional grade in that thing is the NVMe SSD.
 
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