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Sorry, this is a little bit off-topic, but all this talk about CPUs made me curious, apparently I have a lot of stuff to learn, still.

Since when is the Intel implementing thermal throttling? I just played a little bit on my ancient machine (mid 2012 i5 MBP), I tried to artificially stress it as much as possible using good old yes command. Although the temperature is even surpassing 100 degrees Celsius, the CPU refuses to reduce clock speed to protect itself. It stays firmly above base clock speed, and refuses to slow down. Are older Intel CPUs incapable of throttling?
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EDIT: Mea culpa! The T junction temps for i5-3210M is 105 degrees Celsius, not 100.
 
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The newer cpus have more control/finer tuning over throttling but more so with being efficient on the low end of the clock speeds. All cpus old and new throttle on the high end maybe using slightly different parameters or techniques. But they are all supposed to do it and are functioning correctly. If intel designed the newer cpus to not go above 100c then well, that’s what they chose. Like everything ever made, there is a buffer between the max sustained load and at what point failure occurres. If intel designed the cpu to reach 100c then it’s designed to run there for as long as needed and it’s life will still surpass anyone’s use. This thread is out of control with every one stirring up fear that they know more about how to design a cpu than intel. Everyone is making conjecture based on theory. Okay, you understand how things break with too much heat, but it seems that’s where your knowledge ends. Show me the data that intel and Apple have had cpus overheating to the point of failure. Actual proof that can’t be attributed to something else.
 
The newer cpus have more control/finer tuning over throttling but more so with being efficient on the low end of the clock speeds. All cpus old and new throttle on the high end maybe using slightly different parameters or techniques. But they are all supposed to do it and are functioning correctly. If intel designed the newer cpus to not go above 100c then well, that’s what they chose. Like everything ever made, there is a buffer between the max sustained load and at what point failure occurres. If intel designed the cpu to reach 100c then it’s designed to run there for as long as needed and it’s life will still surpass anyone’s use. This thread is out of control with every one stirring up fear that they know more about how to design a cpu than intel. Everyone is making conjecture based on theory. Okay, you understand how things break with too much heat, but it seems that’s where your knowledge ends. Show me the data that intel and Apple have had cpus overheating to the point of failure. Actual proof that can’t be attributed to something else.

OK, I barely claimed anything. Whole my life I've been told that anything above 90 is a cause for alarm, let alone just a degree or two from 100. But, I have learned the new things from this thread. I am mainly in this thread to learn, not to argue, because my knowledge appears insufficient to argue about this things.
 
OK, I barely claimed anything. Whole my life I've been told that anything above 90 is a cause for alarm, let alone just a degree or two from 100. But, I have learned the new things from this thread. I am mainly in this thread to learn, not to argue, because my knowledge appears insufficient to argue about this things.
I apologize, I didn’t mean to get on you. I could clearly see you were just asking a good question. That’s why I edited my post to delete your quote. I was referencing previous posts before you.

But yes those 90 and 100 degree claims are just numbers that make people feel good. Again, the chip is designed to handle what it’s shipped limits are.
 
Sorry, this is a little bit off-topic, but all this talk about CPUs made me curious, apparently I have a lot of stuff to learn, still.

Since when is the Intel implementing thermal throttling? I just played a little bit on my ancient machine (mid 2012 i5 MBP), I tried to artificially stress it as much as possible using good old yes command. Although the temperature is even surpassing 100 degrees Celsius, the CPU refuses to reduce clock speed to protect itself. It stays firmly above base clock speed, and refuses to slow down. Are older Intel CPUs incapable of throttling?View attachment 803305


EDIT: Mea culpa! The T junction temps for i5-3210M is 105 degrees Celsius, not 100.

Wow that is a workstation/server class TJ.
 
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Not really. They designed it to be able to run at these temps. They build it, they set the limits. They know what they're doing.

I don’t see any led in their stock cooler so I’m not so sure they understand computers.
 
If you remember, please let me know.


I was kidding on the delid, those chips are soldered in and don't have a heat spreader installed anyway.

So while I am switching RAM I will change the paste out while I am in there and get some new numbers.

If they're different, who knows? But no-one will know until someone does it.

I just can't for another week until the machine comes in.

i7, 32GB, 512GB, 10Gb Mac mini that will stay connected to the Vega64 WaterCooled eGPU.
Even the daily user + synthetic benchmarks I have seen are a nice bit quicker overall than the Mac Pro.

I am believing it is going to be a nice little upgrade.

I'm too damn excited all ready though.
 
I have a probably silly idea: if the mini is placed vertically, where the vents at the back are facing upward, would this improve heat-loss efficiency due to convection?
 
Sorry, this is a little bit off-topic, but all this talk about CPUs made me curious, apparently I have a lot of stuff to learn, still.

Since when is the Intel implementing thermal throttling?
If my memory serves me right, they started doing this with the first Pentium.
 
BTO pre-orders came today. Of all styles. I got my i7 today.

Idle: Sitting around 47C
Converting a few random videos in handbrake, CPU usage is at 850%-1100%: Temp seems stable around 59-59.5C

Update: It's been going for 15 minutes non-stop and we've creeped up to 59.8! This thing is as cool as a cucumber. The air output is significantly higher than on the 2012s and it might be quieter at load as well.

Update 2: I may have led you all very astray with those obscenely low temps. The app I was monitoring temps with, Fanny, was giving me only the CPU proximity temp, not the core/die temps...

So, with that being said, at load this baby is getting up to a peak of 100C, though it floats around 92-96 at load. This is using both Mac Fan control and Intel Power Gadget

sorry for this question.
Is the i7 most of the time (during normal worklload, not peak perfomance) more or less silent?
I am looking for power + silence and not sure, if the on top perfomance of the i7 wiht his MT etc means that the cpu is often to hear than the i5
 
sorry for this question.
Is the i7 most of the time (during normal worklload, not peak perfomance) more or less silent?
I am looking for power + silence and not sure, if the on top perfomance of the i7 wiht his MT etc means that the cpu is often to hear than the i5

95% of the time, the machine is inaudible. The fan runs at ~1700rpm almost exclusively, unless the machine is being pushed.
 
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Mac Mini.
i7
Applecare.

DONE.
This so much. I was going crazy the whole week trying to decide if I was making the right decision, looking into DIY thermal solutions and what not, when I realised the solution was staring at me right in my face. I can push the mini as much as I want with Apple care (which is a lot cheaper on the mini than something like a MacBook Pro) for three years and if it packs up Apple will fix it or even replace it altogether. As long as I keep regular backups of anything important, I'm fine with that. If it survives three years, then the chances are it will survive one or two more, and I'm ok with that.
 
Would people recommend using an i7 Mini for frequent handbraking? Just worried about heat in small enclosure. Probably better to buy a PC tower instead?
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I have a probably silly idea: if the mini is placed vertically, where the vents at the back are facing upward, would this improve heat-loss efficiency due to convection?
I plan to put it on top of the laptop stand/fan if I get one myself.
 
Would people recommend using an i7 Mini for frequent handbraking? Just worried about heat in small enclosure. Probably better to buy a PC tower instead?
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I plan to put it on top of the laptop stand/fan if I get one myself.
I'm using it for handbrake.
 
Would people recommend using an i7 Mini for frequent handbraking? Just worried about heat in small enclosure. Probably better to buy a PC tower instead?

What size files are you talking about?

Yesterday, I used an i5 and Compressor to convert a 640MB 3840x2160 video file from H264 to H265. It took 5:16 minutes and the mini enclosure had no noticeable temperature change.

I'll be trying out Compressor with significantly larger files over the next few days, in particular for Final Cut exports to distribution formats.
 
What size files are you talking about?

Yesterday, I used an i5 and Compressor to convert a 640MB 3840x2160 video file from H264 to H265. It took 5:16 minutes and the mini enclosure had no noticeable temperature change.

I'll be trying out Compressor with significantly larger files over the next few days, in particular for Final Cut exports to distribution formats.
Compressor is using the T2 chips hardware encoder which helps a lot. I'm not sure how much compressor helps with bluray rips as I don't know anything about it. Does it support MKV? HD audio(Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD MA)? Basically I just need to reencode to H.265 in a MKV container while keeping the HD audio track untouched. I also have handbrake burn the forced subs in to the image. Does compressor do that? I'm very interested in this!
 
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I was going crazy the whole week trying to decide if I was making the right decision, looking into DIY thermal solutions and what not, when I realised the solution was staring at me right in my face.

This is why I was so adamant earlier in the thread about explaining why the temperatures weren't an issue.

For every person who is commenting, there are probably several hundred more lurking thinking "oh no, someone said the temps are too high, maybe I should get the i5 instead." Fear is incredibly powerful. Once a doubt is introduced most people have a hard time letting it go.

Which is a shame - the i7 is going to be peppier all around for them because of its higher boost clock and larger cache, even if they aren't constantly loading it. And if they do fully load it, it will be faster still. It's $200 to have better future proofing and if you're paranoid, another $99 for the AppleCare+.
 
Compressor is using the T2 chips hardware encoder which helps a lot. I'm not sure how much compressor helps with bluray rips as I don't know anything about it. Does it support MKV? HD audio? Basically I just need to reencode to H.265 in a MKV container while keeping the HD audio track. I also have handbrake burn the forced subs in to the image. Does compressor do that?

Here is a very brief answer from Tom Wolsky to what I understand is your main question. Wolsky is one of the leading experts on Final Cut/Compressor, and indeed has a new book out published by Focal Press: https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8409299

I believe that you can convert MKV to Apple ProRes, but there is no setting for MKV export.
 
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Can we change the subject into something more useful? Like how much does the i7 throttle on real word usage such as final cut pro/gaming etcc and how loud it gets? Also if running esternal gpu and therefore disabling igpu how less does it throttle?
 
Can we change the subject into something more useful? Like how much does the i7 throttle on real word usage such as final cut pro/gaming etcc and how loud it gets? Also if running esternal gpu and therefore disabling igpu how less does it throttle?
Aside from the GPU question the others have been answered. I've never seen it throttle below it's 3.2ghz clock speed unless the system isn't being used and it doesn't need the power. Even on high end video work turbo is kicking in and it's ramping the clock speed UP as much as it can before reaching the 100c thermal limit set by intel. It's only audible while it's in the 90c range. Other than that you don't hear it. And even at max fan speed it's not very loud.

I don't expect gaming to be any different. Most games are more GPU dependent than CPU. Aside from MMO's which seem more CPU dependent.
 
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