2019 13” MBP 1.4ghz quad-core benchmarks?

[kp98077]

Yes it is LG which is good. Looks like they did not afford to put LG or Samsung panel in cheaper entry level Pro. Too bad. Any idea what is that FMX manufacturer code?
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Good question about screen. It would be interesting to see some measurements of FMX panel. I'd say it is not so colorful as the ones I've seen in pricier model Pro demo models and also brightness difference is not so obvious (at least when I test it at home) between my Air 2018 and Entry Pro if I compare it to what I have tested at the shop between Air 2018 and pricier 13" Pro models.

Coconutbattery lists manufacturing date for machine and battery. Can you check them both?
Your battery is DSY (maybe Desay or something like that). Mine is Simply.
What factory yours is made in? Mine is C. You see that in machine serial number first letter.

My manufacture date is 6-3-2019
Battery is DSY
To be honest the colors and brightness on mine is excellent. I have a 2019 2.4 also no difference - in fact I think the 1.4 looks more crisp. Lol. Weird I know. Speakers maybe not. But can live with that. The machine in real world use is just as snappy for sure !!

 

[0906742]

My manufacture date is 6-3-2019
Battery is DSY
To be honest the colors and brightness on mine is excellent. I have a 2019 2.4 also no difference - in fact I think the 1.4 looks more crisp. Lol. Weird I know. Speakers maybe not. But can live with that. The machine in real world use is just as snappy for sure !!

OK. Our machines are about the same "age". What factory yours if from?

Can you please check also what display panel is in your 2.4 by using that ioreg command?
Probably it has LG or Samsung if they look different. I'm not saying this FMX looks bad but honestly I felt I saw bigger different at the shop when I compared Air 2018 with earlier released 2019 and 2017 non TB models.

Speaker definitely are not that good in entry Pro. Even little better in Air 2018 which should be worse than what earlier Pro versions had.

 

[0906742]

On the other hand speakers may need some break in. I just ran some tests with both machines turned volume to max. Not a huge difference, both equally loud. Maybe Pro sounded a little clearer but I think Air has more bass. They are a bit different so very hard to say in the end and obviously some break in will change sound quality a little.

I'm still wondering about display panel brand used in new entry Pro. Does anyone have information what panel it is? Also does everyone have FMX panel in their entry Pro or are there also LP=LG and LSN=Samsung panels used in this model?
I'm not saying FMX panel is terrible but I felt at the shop there was bigger difference compared to Air 2018 than what I see with mine. This FMX panel is quite neutral and no backligt bleed, and it is even more uniform with full black image with backlight turned to max. Using it without True Tone and it is little colder than panel in my Air (which is more yellowish) but when turning True Tone on in my Pro it is obviously warmer but not in a bad way, actually pretty good warm greys with it. But I still feel colors were more live in Pro models I saw at the shop which different.

One bad thing with FMX panel is that with True Tone on checking Lagom lcd gradient test shows some banding in darker end, without it looks clean. Can others also check Lagom gradient test with their Pro with True Tone on and off if they notice banding?

So others with entry Pro, please also check what panel is in yours, also it would be interesting to get more data about pricier Pro models what panel is in them? Anyone with "better" Pro and have something else than LP or LSN panel type using ioreg command I posted in this thread?

 

[Herrpod]

Apple is definitely using cheaper drives in these new Airs and entry Pros. French site tested the 256gb drive in the new Air and it's read speeds were about 30-40 percent slower than what was in the 2018.

 

[ghanwani]

Apple is definitely using cheaper drives in these new Airs and entry Pros. French site tested the 256gb drive in the new Air and it's read speeds were about 30-40 percent slower than what was in the 2018.

Is there any data for the 256GB entry pros? I have only seen results for the 128GB.

 

[0906742]

Yeah, it is amazing how you can save few cents per machine in manufacturing costs...
It would be interesting to see if Crystaldiskmark equaling testing program is available for MacOS to check 4kb speed also, because that large file transfer speed really does not tell much about how fast it is in real life.

Also I could not find Apple documents about battery charge cycle count rating for this model. Earlier Pro models are rated for 1000 charge cycles but I bet this entry Pro is something less as the battery is not the same as in better model even this one has a bit bigger capacity 58.2W vs 58W. I have a hunch this is only 300 or 500 charge cycles rating.

 

[ghanwani]

My manufacture date is 6-3-2019
Battery is DSY
To be honest the colors and brightness on mine is excellent. I have a 2019 2.4 also no difference - in fact I think the 1.4 looks more crisp. Lol. Weird I know. Speakers maybe not. But can live with that. The machine in real world use is just as snappy for sure !!

Since you have both machines, can you comment on battery life of both? Can you say anything about heat? My 2019 2.4 seems to run warmer than my 2017 nTB 2.3.

 

[fate0311]

Apple is definitely using cheaper drives in these new Airs and entry Pros. French site tested the 256gb drive in the new Air and it's read speeds were about 30-40 percent slower than what was in the 2018.

Such a POS company now.

 

[kp98077]

Since you have both machines, can you comment on battery life of both? Can you say anything about heat? My 2019 2.4 seems to run warmer than my 2017 nTB 2.3.

It’s too new to comment on heat because it’s indexing but doesn’t seem bad. For battery I’ll have a good idea after today. Looking good however. Seems better than my 2019 2.4
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Such a POS company now.

How can that be tho for a new air to have worse performance than year prior ?? And that’s one reference .... too early?

 

[Brookzy]

How can that be tho for a new air to have worse performance than year prior ?? And that’s one reference .... too early?

Because they're most likely using cheaper flash to cut costs. (Which I agree is the right tradeoff.)

 

[ghanwani]

It’s too new to comment on heat because it’s indexing but doesn’t seem bad. For battery I’ll have a good idea after today. Looking good however. Seems better than my 2019 2.4

Please update when you have more experience.

Curious, why did you get both? I have the 2.4, but considering swapping it for the 1.4 since I had an nTB previously and it was enough.

Also, what is the SSD size on both of your machines?

 

[kp98077]

Because they're most likely using cheaper flash to cut costs. (Which I agree is the right tradeoff.)

I guess ... especially adding in True Tone

 

[0906742]

But isn't True Tone only trick they do with camera or other sensors build in machine? It has nothing to do with display, it is just sensor to detect environment light color temperature to adjust display accordingly. Obviously they changed panel also in cheap entry level model from LG and Samsung to FMX panel for some reason (cost reason?).

Is there any reviews of entry level Pro yet where they have measured display to see how it compare to better known LG and Samsung panels? Or anyone with measurement gear checked their units? It would be interesting to hear how much more reduced quality this FMX panel is compared to LG and Samsung?

 

[alias99]

But isn't True Tone only trick they do with camera or other sensors build in machine? It has nothing to do with display, it is just sensor to detect environment light color temperature to adjust display accordingly. Obviously they changed panel also in cheap entry level model from LG and Samsung to FMX panel for some reason (cost reason?).

Is there any reviews of entry level Pro yet where they have measured display to see how it compare to better known LG and Samsung panels? Or anyone with measurement gear checked their units? It would be interesting to hear how much more reduced quality this FMX panel is compared to LG and Samsung?

Just because it isn't Samsung or LG doesn't mean its inferior. Someone in the thread has already checked the numbers and the panel is perfectly fine.

 

[Brookzy]

Who is "FMX"? When I run the terminal command I get this supposed FMX but the ColorSync utility shows the manufacturer as the same as my 2018 model, which I believe is LG.

FMX doesn't throw up any obvious results on Google.

 

[0906742]

What does it say exactly in ColorSync? Because mine also says manufacturer 610 but I don't think it is referring to actual panel brand but rather just Apple. Also it says there about model being 0000A03D. Also no information anywhere about that model, so definitely something else than LG or Samsung. If your 2018 models says LP or LSN with ioreg command, it is not the same as FMX in new entry level Pro. This is probably one of the cheap IPS panels makers like BOE or similar, often used in cheap Windows laptops. I must admit this FMX panel uniformity seems rather nice but colors are duller what I have seen in demo models of earlier Pro versions and seems also that brightness difference is not so big between this and Air 2018 what is was when I checked mentioned demo models.

 

[0906742]

I have the entry level 1.4Ghz 2019 and the more expensive 2.3Ghz 2018 (with dual fans). Keyboards feels exactly the same, speakers also sound the same (both should sound better than the Air).
The 2018 uses symmetrical speakers when compared to the 2019, but they do sound exactly the same.
Biggest downside is the slower SSD. You won’t feel the difference on day to day usage, but the numbers don’t lie

I also measured screen brightness at 100% using SM208 luminance meter.
- 2018 = 477 nits center.
- 2019 = 471 nits center.
- Both have excellent P3 color gamut.

How did you measure P3 color gamut? Mentioned SM208 is just luminance meter, so you have some other measurement gear also you did measurements with?

 

[NBAasDOGG]

How did you measure P3 color gamut? Mentioned SM208 is just luminance meter, so you have some other measurement gear also you did measurements with?

Correct, I used my 5 year old 8MM colormeter (cheap one from Alibaba), but works perfectly fine for OLED televisions (and MacBooks)

I measured P3 by using the ColorSync Utility. This program allows me to view and modify color profiles. ColorSync also has the ability to compare color spaces, so it’s easy for to see the differences between them. I set DCIp3 for both machines in the Lab-plot and measure DetlaE-2000 on the upper left corner of the green area in the plot (P3 has super wide green gamut - good reference point). Both machine score <2.0, which is even lower than Apples target gamma of DeltaE of 2.2.
I can also aim for multiple target points, but that’s very time consuming when you do it manually...

(Edit: My LG32UL950 (98% DCIp3) scores DeltaE-2000 of 3.23 which is good, but not as good as the MacBooks)

 

[NBAasDOGG]

Speaker definitely are not that good in entry Pro. Even little better in Air 2018 which should be worse than what earlier Pro versions had.

I’m not sure about this though... According to all YouTube reviewers the nTB 2017 MbP has louder and higher quality speakers when compared to Air 2018. I’m not a audiophile to judge, but for me there is practically no difference between the new entry 2019 MbP vs my 2018 TB MbP. Both quite rich in base for a tiny laptop.

 

[kp98077]

Just because it isn't Samsung or LG doesn't mean its inferior. Someone in the thread has already checked the numbers and the panel is perfectly fine.

yeah agree, doesn't have to be LG or Samsung, infact I thought apple was moving away from these? so maybe they are testing in the 1.4? who knows... I know it looks good! I do know it started out kind of yellowish tint yesterday but today is bright white background... sitting here wondering why the heck I have a 2.4 model for $1999 too LOL! Not sure if it is me too but the keys feel to have a little more travel than my 2019 MBP (ever so slightly....), then again, not every unit is exactly the same... you asked I think earlier what my 2.4 unit panel is? It is Samsung I believe.... (which is nice of course!) but yes agree would be nice to know what's on this "generic pro" lol!!

 

[0906742]

Correct, I used my 5 year old 8MM colormeter (cheap one from Alibaba), but works perfectly fine for OLED televisions (and MacBooks)

I measured P3 by using the ColorSync Utility. This program allows me to view and modify color profiles. ColorSync also has the ability to compare color spaces, so it’s easy for to see the differences between them. I set DCIp3 for both machines in the Lab-plot and measure DetlaE-2000 on the upper left corner of the green area in the plot (P3 has super wide green gamut - good reference point). Both machine score <2.0, which is even lower than Apples target gamma of DeltaE of 2.2.
I can also aim for multiple target points, but that’s very time consuming when you do it manually...

(Edit: My LG32UL950 (98% DCIp3) scores DeltaE-2000 of 3.23 which is good, but not as good as the MacBooks)

Did I understood correctly that in your entry level Pro is FMX panel and in your another Pro is LG or Samsung? If so maybe this FMX is not such a bad. It just does not look so much different than my Air 2018 LG display which is even not P3! In my opinion when looking at demo Air 2018 and earlier Pro 2019 and 2017 nTB models at the shops they looked so much better than Air 2018. I'm not saying I don't see any difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro, but difference is quite small. You are sure your colorimeter is giving reliable results?

Also what factory your entry Pro is manufactured? It shows in machine serial number first letter? Mine is C (Quanta).

 

[kp98077]

What does it say exactly in ColorSync? Because mine also says manufacturer 610 but I don't think it is referring to actual panel brand but rather just Apple. Also it says there about model being 0000A03D. Also no information anywhere about that model, so definitely something else than LG or Samsung. If your 2018 models says LP or LSN with ioreg command, it is not the same as FMX in new entry level Pro. This is probably one of the cheap IPS panels makers like BOE or similar, often used in cheap Windows laptops. I must admit this FMX panel uniformity seems rather nice but colors are duller what I have seen in demo models of earlier Pro versions and seems also that brightness difference is not so big between this and Air 2018 what is was when I checked mentioned demo models.

if you really are seeing the colors are not vibrant or to your liking you may want to exchange it for another unit? I am definitely not see that issue...

 

[0906742]

I’m not sure about this though... According to all YouTube reviewers the nTB 2017 MbP has louder and higher quality speakers when compared to Air 2018. I’m not a audiophile to judge, but for me there is practically no difference between the new entry 2019 MbP vs my 2018 TB MbP. Both quite rich in base for a tiny laptop.

Good question but I definitely say not much difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro speakers. I still feel Air gives better bass. Maybe Pro is a little more better defined sound. I'm not sure are the speaker exactly the same in all entry Pro. Maybe it has effect what factory build them?

Also can you comment about keyboard feel and typing sound between your two Pro?
Are they equally hollow? Also do you see or feel any difference in machines aluminun chassis? Does it feel the same quality and thichness in both your Pro models? I really feel and hear very little difference compared to my Air, maybe air feels a bit more solid. Also same with trackpads, Air even has trackpad that feel more slippery when gliding finger on it.

Definitely entry Pro in my opinion is not so much better than Air 2018. I'm having really hard time trying to choose which one to keep.
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if you really are seeing the colors are not vibrant or to your liking you may want to exchange it for another unit? I am definitely not see that issue...

Can you comment do you see the same info in Colorsync as I listed in my previous message about panel brand and type? Which factory yours is made in?

 

[kp98077]

Good question but I definitely say not much difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro speakers. I still feel Air gives better bass. Maybe Pro is a little more better defined sound. I'm not sure are the speaker exactly the same in all entry Pro. Maybe it has effect what factory build them?

Also can you comment about keyboard feel and typing sound between your two Pro?
Are they equally hollow? Also do you see or feel any difference in machines aluminun chassis? Does it feel the same quality and thichness in both your Pro models? I really feel and hear very little difference compared to my Air, maybe air feels a bit more solid. Also same with trackpads, Air even has trackpad that feel more slippery when gliding finger on it.

Definitely entry Pro in my opinion is not so much better than Air 2018. I'm having really hard time trying to choose which one to keep.
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Can you comment do you see the same info in Colorsync as I listed in my previous message about panel brand and type? Which factory yours is made in?

Yeah to me honestly, the Air does not feel as solid, I was going to buy one yesterday but just couldn't, that's why I got the 1.4/256 pro, and having the "real pro" LOL, it seems pretty similar... cant wait until official comparisons come out... to see...
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Good question but I definitely say not much difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro speakers. I still feel Air gives better bass. Maybe Pro is a little more better defined sound. I'm not sure are the speaker exactly the same in all entry Pro. Maybe it has effect what factory build them?

Also can you comment about keyboard feel and typing sound between your two Pro?
Are they equally hollow? Also do you see or feel any difference in machines aluminun chassis? Does it feel the same quality and thichness in both your Pro models? I really feel and hear very little difference compared to my Air, maybe air feels a bit more solid. Also same with trackpads, Air even has trackpad that feel more slippery when gliding finger on it.

Definitely entry Pro in my opinion is not so much better than Air 2018. I'm having really hard time trying to choose which one to keep.
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Can you comment do you see the same info in Colorsync as I listed in my previous message about panel brand and type? Which factory yours is made in?

yes will be home soon and will look... MacBook sales have been down for a while due to price, I really believe that apple has just gotten smarter and finally "price adjusted" some models.... and I do feel now the new 16" will NOT start as high as I thought ($3400) but rather around $2999 or so now.... its simple a sign of the times. My son has an XR I have the MAX, honestly, I would NEVER buy the Max again, overpriced, the XR is a great phone for the money....

 

[kp98077]

That's it. Mine is the same but FMX909 but that probably just manufacturing date or some batch and the first letters indicate brand and model. Definitely some new panels are nothing can be found searching that. Too bad no more LG or Samsung panels.

What is your manufacturing date and plant (that can be seen from serial number first letter, mine is C) and made in June.
Manufacturing date can be seen easiest if you download free Coconutbattery just check google to find it. It also tells condition and brand of the battery, mine is Simply battery. Could you comment what battery full charge capacity in yours? Mine is around 5200.

my serial number has an "F" infant of it, what's does this indicate?