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2019 13” MBP 1.4ghz quad-core benchmarks?

0906742 said:
Did I understood correctly that in your entry level Pro is FMX panel and in your another Pro is LG or Samsung? If so maybe this FMX is not such a bad. It just does not look so much different than my Air 2018 LG display which is even not P3! In my opinion when looking at demo Air 2018 and earlier Pro 2019 and 2017 nTB models at the shops they looked so much better than Air 2018. I'm not saying I don't see any difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro, but difference is quite small. You are sure your colorimeter is giving reliable results?

Also what factory your entry Pro is manufactured? It shows in machine serial number first letter? Mine is C (Quanta).
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Answer to your questions:

- My 2019 is indeed FMX and the 2018 is LG. I actually think that this FMX is from
Japan Dispalys, but I do not have any evidence for this.

- It’s almost impossible see the difference between a high quality RGB (Air 2018 or any good quality monitor) and DCIp3 during day to day usage. To see the difference you need P3-content (a picture or video), such as this one:

88BDAAD7-C942-48E8-B863-C9270EF03CDA.jpeg


- The colormeter is still very accurate, because we used it for OLED TVs and the results match the provided calibration data.

-My serial number starts with C02.
 
0906742 said:
What panel is in your units? See my message above how to check it fast and easy.

I wonder what brand this FMX stands for. I guess it is definitely not LG or Samsung because those are LP and LSN, so this must be from some some new maker. I have compared colors to my Air 2018 which has LG panel and yes, the Pro has deeper reds and maybe other colors too and it seems definitely warmer with True Tone on but without it not much different. It is brighter so that Pro -1 maybe -2 (probably 1.5 would be equal) clicks is about the same as Air 2018.

Maybe the sound quality in Pro has been the same but I'd say definitely fuller sound in my Air 2018.
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PT?eP?@??Color LCD
NBAasDOGG said:
Answer to your questions:

- My 2019 is indeed FMX and the 2018 is LG. I actually think that this FMX is from
Japan Dispalys, but I do not have any evidence for this.

- It’s almost impossible see the difference between a high quality RGB (Air 2018 or any good quality monitor) and DCIp3 during day to day usage. To see the difference you need P3-content (a picture or video), such as this one:

View attachment 848309

- The colormeter is still very accurate, because we used it for OLED TVs and the results match the provided calibration data.

-My serial number starts with C02.
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so what does this indicate?
???(g7?L?
 
0906742 said:
Good question but I definitely say not much difference between my Air 2018 and entry Pro speakers. I still feel Air gives better bass. Maybe Pro is a little more better defined sound. I'm not sure are the speaker exactly the same in all entry Pro. Maybe it has effect what factory build them?

Also can you comment about keyboard feel and typing sound between your two Pro?
Are they equally hollow? Also do you see or feel any difference in machines aluminun chassis? Does it feel the same quality and thichness in both your Pro models? I really feel and hear very little difference compared to my Air, maybe air feels a bit more solid. Also same with trackpads, Air even has trackpad that feel more slippery when gliding finger on it.

Definitely entry Pro in my opinion is not so much better than Air 2018. I'm having really hard time trying to choose which one to keep. :)
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Can you comment do you see the same info in Colorsync as I listed in my previous message about panel brand and type? Which factory yours is made in?
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Answer to your questions:

- The keyboards feel exactly the same, but the the entry 2019 has a bit less light leakage around the keys (I think because of the updated materials).
- Both machines are the Space Grey anodized aluminum and feel equally sturdy. My 2018 is already one year old with some wear and tear, but that’s normal.
- The track pad of my 2018 model is significantly less slippery, that’s because the oleophobic coating has worn off after one year of usage. But I always reapply new coating before I sell. It’s very cheap and easy to do. In general, both trackpads feels exactly the same.

If money is not your issue, you should keep the 2019 Pro. It’s significantly faster for day to day usage and has the updated keyboard. Also, you get the larger trackpad, DCIP3, 500nits and a tru tone display. Speakers also sound identical to the more expansive 2018 TB model. If you’re a student or scientist, you also get the Beats Studio3 (which you can sell or throw away :D).
 
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NBAasDOGG said:
Answer to your questions:

- My 2019 is indeed FMX and the 2018 is LG. I actually think that this FMX is from
Japan Dispalys, but I do not have any evidence for this.

- It’s almost impossible see the difference between a high quality RGB (Air 2018 or any good quality monitor) and DCIp3 during day to day usage. To see the difference you need P3-content (a picture or video), such as this one:

View attachment 848309

- The colormeter is still very accurate, because we used it for OLED TVs and the results match the provided calibration data.

-My serial number starts with C02.
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Based on C02 serial, our units are from the same factory.
Good to hear about your measurements prove this panel should be as good as LG which is used in higher priced Pro models these days Not sure about is it as good as Samsung because I remember a while back there was lot of discussions about LG vs Samsung panels and I understood that consensus was that Samsung had more colorful and brighter panels than LG.

Yeah, I know P3 does not really show much in current non p3 material. I tested those gamut tests in webkit site and there was very obvious difference when comparing P3 images between my Pro and Air. Red was just so much deeper in Pro when P3 was in use, even I tried manually switching Air to P3 profile but since panel is not P3 it is only some kind of emulation, so nothing really changes much but it was able to pass those P3 tests (showing that logo inside red test pattern).

Can you check your Pro with FMX panel in this pattern and comment on following questions.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php
When you see that pattern with True Tone turned on, do you see obvious gradient banding in darker shades?
Also does it improve to nearly perfect without True Tone (you may need to turn on / off machine because it does not reset all banding without that or cycle between different color profiles do the same thing.

Also does night shift cause similar issue with that test pattern?

Can you finally check the same pattern with your Pro that has LG panel. Is it much better with True Tone and night shift in that pattern?
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kp98077 said:
my serial number has an "F" infant of it, what's does this indicate?
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Your machine serial starts with F? It is from Foxconn factory most likely. Just a different factory than mine which starts with C (Quanta factory).

Is display in your entry Pro FMX or something else when you use ioreg command I posted here?
 
0906742 said:
Based on C02 serial, our units are from the same factory.
Good to hear about your measurements prove this panel should be as good as LG which is used in higher priced Pro models these days Not sure about is it as good as Samsung because I remember a while back there was lot of discussions about LG vs Samsung panels and I understood that consensus was that Samsung had more colorful and brighter panels than LG.

Yeah, I know P3 does not really show much in current non p3 material. I tested those gamut tests in webkit site and there was very obvious difference when comparing P3 images between my Pro and Air. Red was just so much deeper in Pro when P3 was in use, even I tried manually switching Air to P3 profile but since panel is not P3 it is only some kind of emulation, so nothing really changes much but it was able to pass those P3 tests (showing that logo inside red test pattern).

Can you check your Pro with FMX panel in this pattern and comment on following questions.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php
When you see that pattern with True Tone turned on, do you see obvious gradient banding in darker shades?
Also does it improve to nearly perfect without True Tone (you may need to turn on / off machine because it does not reset all banding without that or cycle between different color profiles do the same thing.

Also does night shift cause similar issue with that test pattern?

Can you finally check the same pattern with your Pro that has LG panel. Is it much better with True Tone and night shift in that pattern?
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Your machine serial starts with F? It is from Foxconn factory most likely. Just a different factory than mine which starts with C (Quanta factory).

Is display in your entry Pro FMX or something else when you use ioreg command I posted here?
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it is FMX...
however, it also states
???(g7?L?
which I have no idea what that means....
 
kp98077 said:
PT?eP?@??Color LCD


so what does this indicate?
???(g7?L?
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Good question. I don't know for sure. Does your say Cpy???( in the same line where FMX is? In my it is like
Cpy???(FMX909 and so on.

Also that another line your mentioned is in mine like this
?)??9%f t


Could NBAasDOGG also check does his does he see the same letters when running ioreg command?
 
0906742 said:
Good question. I don't know for sure. Does your say Cpy???( in the same line where FMX is? In my it is like
Cpy???(FMX909 and so on.

Also that another line your mentioned is in mine like this
?)??9%f t


Could NBAasDOGG also check does his does he see the same letters when running ioreg command?
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Yes, mention of CPY on same line as FMX......but no ??9%

PT?eP?@??Color LCD

Cpy???(FMX908

?)??.

7?

???(g7?L?j????
 
NBAasDOGG said:
Answer to your questions:

- The keyboards feel exactly the same, but the the entry 2019 has a bit less light leakage around the keys (I think because of the updated materials).
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OK. That's interesting. I need to recheck that when I next time visit the shop where I last time compared Air 2018 and earlier released 2019 model. Because I really felt it was more solid and silent in Pro there but here at home really not much difference between my Air and Pro. Pro even more hollow sound but otherwise very similar. Hard to say for sure but maybe conditions at the shop are not optimal for this kind of tests...

- Both machines are the Space Grey anodized aluminum and feel equally sturdy. My 2018 is already one year old with some wear and tear, but that’s normal.
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My Pro is silver.

- The track pad of my 2018 model is significantly less slippery, that’s because the oleophobic coating has worn off after one year of usage. But I always reapply new coating before I sell. It’s very cheap and easy to do. In general, both trackpads feels exactly the same.
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My Air feels more slippery that this new Pro but it could be from slight wear that it has seen in first two-three weeks of use. I guess Pro will get less sticky when I use it more.

If money is not your issue, you should keep the 2019 Pro. It’s significantly faster for day to day usage and has the updated keyboard. Also, you get the larger trackpad, DCIP3, 500nits and a tru tone display. Speakers also sound identical to the more expansive 2018 TB model. If you’re a student or scientist, you also get the Beats Studio3 (which you can sell or throw away :D).
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Not really price issue. I just want to make sure I get something I really notice for extra 450. There is student in our family so we were able to get discounted price and Beats headphones. Yeah trackpad size is better in pro, and P3 in some situations, 500 nits really not very big difference vs my Air 400nits (just max brightness -1 or -2 (actually -1.5 would be equal) and they are the same brightness visually). True Tone is nice because I like warm displays, and this gets really extra warm with night shift also activated, like my iPhone X does. Speakers are somewhat disappointment, but I think I need to give them some break in time. There is less bass than Air but sounds is quite well defined in Pro, so both have their good and bad things.
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kp98077 said:
Yes, mention of CPY on same line as FMX......but no ??9%

PT?eP?@??Color LCD

Cpy???(FMX908

?)??.

7?

???(g7?L?j????
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I guess some of that is just some individual data, like batch number, serial or such so I guess they cannot be identical in all ways from machine to machine. Anyway there is no LP or LSN in these, so cannot be LG or Samsung panels in these I think. I'm really not sure if that that Cpy or FMX actually represent as brand / model in this string.

Hey guys, could you please check that Lagom test pattern I linked? Do you see banding in gradient test with True Tone on on darker shades of the pattern?
 
0906742 said:
OK. That's interesting. I need to recheck that when I next time visit the shop where I last time compared Air 2018 and earlier released 2019 model. Because I really felt it was more solid and silent in Pro there but here at home really not much difference between my Air and Pro. Pro even more hollow sound but otherwise very similar. Hard to say for sure but maybe conditions at the shop are not optimal for this kind of tests...


My Pro is silver.


My Air feels more slippery that this new Pro but it could be from slight wear that it has seen in first two-three weeks of use. I guess Pro will get less sticky when I use it more.


Not really price issue. I just want to make sure I get something I really notice for extra 450. There is student in our family so we were able to get discounted price and Beats headphones. Yeah trackpad size is better in pro, and P3 in some situations, 500 nits really not very big difference vs my Air 400nits (just max brightness -1 or -2 (actually -1.5 would be equal) and they are the same brightness visually). True Tone is nice because I like warm displays, and this gets really extra warm with night shift also activated, like my iPhone X does. Speakers are somewhat disappointment, but I think I need to give them some break in time. There is less bass than Air but sounds is quite well defined in Pro, so both have their good and bad things.
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I guess some of that is just some individual data, like batch number, serial or such so I guess they cannot be identical in all ways from machine to machine. Anyway there is no LP or LSN in these, so cannot be LG or Samsung panels in these I think. I'm really not sure if that that Cpy or FMX actually represent as brand / model in this string.

Hey guys, could you please check that Lagom test pattern I linked? Do you see banding in gradient test with True Tone on on darker shades of the pattern?
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Lets just say most people go from an Air to a Pro not the other way around.... the Pro has more to offer IMO....
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0906742 said:
OK. That's interesting. I need to recheck that when I next time visit the shop where I last time compared Air 2018 and earlier released 2019 model. Because I really felt it was more solid and silent in Pro there but here at home really not much difference between my Air and Pro. Pro even more hollow sound but otherwise very similar. Hard to say for sure but maybe conditions at the shop are not optimal for this kind of tests...


My Pro is silver.


My Air feels more slippery that this new Pro but it could be from slight wear that it has seen in first two-three weeks of use. I guess Pro will get less sticky when I use it more.


Not really price issue. I just want to make sure I get something I really notice for extra 450. There is student in our family so we were able to get discounted price and Beats headphones. Yeah trackpad size is better in pro, and P3 in some situations, 500 nits really not very big difference vs my Air 400nits (just max brightness -1 or -2 (actually -1.5 would be equal) and they are the same brightness visually). True Tone is nice because I like warm displays, and this gets really extra warm with night shift also activated, like my iPhone X does. Speakers are somewhat disappointment, but I think I need to give them some break in time. There is less bass than Air but sounds is quite well defined in Pro, so both have their good and bad things.
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I guess some of that is just some individual data, like batch number, serial or such so I guess they cannot be identical in all ways from machine to machine. Anyway there is no LP or LSN in these, so cannot be LG or Samsung panels in these I think. I'm really not sure if that that Cpy or FMX actually represent as brand / model in this string.

Hey guys, could you please check that Lagom test pattern I linked? Do you see banding in gradient test with True Tone on on darker shades of the pattern?
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Hard to know but there was an L G in reverse order on mine, so hard to know.... I guess I am not that worried because it seems good! but would love to know given my 2.4 is a Samsung....
 
kp98077 said:
Lets just say most people go from an Air to a Pro not the other way around.... the Pro has more to offer IMO....
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Hard to know but there was an L G in reverse order on mine, so hard to know.... I guess I am not that worried because it seems good! but would love to know given my 2.4 is a Samsung....
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I don't get what you mean by L G in reverse order?

Can you please check lagom gradient test how it looks in your FMX with True Tone on?

Yeah, I know what you mean by not going from Pro to Air. I honestly want Pro, but I really need to justify myself I actually see the difference between machines, not just because I want Pro knowing it is one step up in Apple models. Now that I have used my Pro a little while it has good thing also. I never heard it turning CPU fan even on. What I need to do with it to get it even running as test to hear how loud it is? It does not seen to turn on very easily even trying to put some load on CPU. Quite rarely it was on in my Air also but I something managed to heard it spinning.
 
0906742 said:
I don't get what you mean by L G in reverse order?

Can you please check lagom gradient test how it looks in your FMX with True Tone on?

Yeah, I know what you mean by not going from Pro to Air. I honestly want Pro, but I really need to justify myself I actually see the difference between machines, not just because I want Pro knowing it is one step up in Apple models. Now that I have used my Pro a little while it has good thing also. I never heard it turning CPU fan even on. What I need to do with it to get it even running as test to hear how loud it is? It does not seen to turn on very easily even trying to put some load on CPU. Quite rarely it was on in my Air also but I something managed to heard it spinning.
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SO are you trying to decide on the Air vs. Pro? I think with the lower end pro, it is easier to justify without breaking the bank!
I meant the 'terminal' said
g7?L?j

I haven't heard the fan turn on either except when I first got the computer early yesterday (the 1.4/256)... and it runs cool!
gradient test seems fine...
 
kp98077 said:
SO are you trying to decide on the Air vs. Pro? I think with the lower end pro, it is easier to justify without breaking the bank!
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That's what I'm trying to convince to myself...

I meant the 'terminal' said
g7?L?j
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Thats probably just meaningless data.

gradient test seems fine...
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No banding at all with True Tone turned on?? Really nothing in the darker end of the test patterns, Try turning display brightness up to see more clearly. Mine is fine without True Tone but with it pretty obvious difference.
 
0906742 said:
That's what I'm trying to convince to myself...


Thats probably just meaningless data.


No banding at all with True Tone turned on?? Really nothing in the darker end of the test patterns, Try turning display brightness up to see more clearly. Mine is fine without True Tone but with it pretty obvious difference.
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yes with True Tone brightness up mine seems fine. :)
I always use True Tone...
I decided against the air mainly due to: not quad core, resale value compared to MBP, screen/brightness and the pure love I have with MBP for decades :)
 
That's weird if absolutely no banding in yours. Could you try zooming it and then look at the black end very carefully in dimmer room so that you clearly see the darkest end?? Still nothing with True Tone on / off difference can be seen?
Maybe room lightning can also affect that how warm display is trying to be (maybe you tried yours under colder light) which may make banding worse but mine does that even in room without lights in that pattern.

Did you get yours with 128 or 256 ssd? I wonder if that 128GB will be enough in the future with new os updates? I'm not planning to put much my own data in ssd and not so many programs so basically it should be enough. Even my Windows desktop only 72GB data even it has 256GB ssd.
 
well, I live in a dark area, cloudy, non summer like, so also the temps are only about 65 degrees - so easy to see the screen in almost any condition..... I got mine with 256, my other laptop has 512 and I don't need all that, I only use about 120 or so.....when I was at the apple store most people seem to be buying the 128gb version..... I think people get delusional about how much memory they need to be honest...
 
And you saw nothing even zooming pattern to max size? DO you use 1680x1050 resolution? I have been using that always. Does even toggling night shift on in yours cause any banding in that pattern?

Anyone else with with Pro models especially with FMX panel, please check Lagom gradient test with and without True Tone and also try night shift to see if yours have any banding in that pattern. Mine definitely have. Is my panel then broken? I doubt because my Air has exactly the same problem with night shift on, so I'm afraid it is something similar here too but I want to make sure.

I also just finished testing screen brightness with different settings like night shift on / off between my Air 2018, Entry level Pro and iPad 2018. At least with True Tone off and night shift off my Pro is brightest of them. Not huge difference but it is the brightest. Then with all night shift and True Tone gimmick on difference gets smaller, maybe Pro is still a tiny bit brighter. Definitely that 500nits is possible only without True Tone and night shift on.

I agree with ssd size you said. Like I said in my desktop Windows 256GB ssd has only 72gb data but I got some spare for the future. So yeah, at the moment 128GB is enough for my Pro but I hope it will be in the near future too. I just could not justify myself 256 version price difference, You can buy several name 256 ssd drive with that extra they charge from 128 to 256 Pro versions.
 
So with the new entry level pro
1. Battery is amazing
2. Display is very consistent with even brightness so whoever makes these is doing a better job than Samsung or LG
3. Speaker output seem the same as the 2018 Pro
4. With SSD prices coming cheaper, it doesn't make sense to cripple these machines with a slower drive.

5. Contrast does seem to my eyes to be a bit lower than the most expensive Pro range or maybe not but I'm fine with this as long as the display is consistent
 
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garethjs said:
So with the new entry level pro
1. Battery is amazing
2. Display is very consistent with even brightness so whoever makes these is doing a better job than Samsung or LG
3. Speaker output seem the same as the 2018 Pro
4. With SSD prices coming cheaper, it doesn't make sense to cripple these machines with a slower drive.

5. Contrast does seem to my eyes to be a bit lower than the most expensive Pro range
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What kind of battery life are you seeing?

Are there any benchmarks for the 256GB and 512GB drives to see if the performance is the same as the 4TB model?
 
ghanwani said:
What kind of battery life are you seeing?

Are there any benchmarks for the 256GB and 512GB drives to see if the performance is the same as the 4TB model?
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so far tethered to my iPhone for over an hour, deleting photos, surfing, composing emails, streaming music, I'm down to 94%
 
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garethjs said:
so far tethered to my iPhone for over an hour, deleting photos, surfing, composing emails, streaming music, I'm down to 94%
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Assuming it is linear, that would be amazing. But I don't think it's linear. It takes a while to drop the first few % and then after that I think it drops quicker. But would be helpful to hear what you find. For me, ideal case would be 8 hours of battery life doing normal work to get me through the work day. My 2017 nTB used to get 4-5 hours (battery was at 80%) and the 2019 4TB gets around 6, with display set to 80% brightness.
 
It seems that the difference between the entrylevel 13" is only marginally slower than the 2.4 i7? I'm looking to get a smaller Mac than my 2016 15" MBP and even though I can afford a fully spec'ed 13" it seems theres almost no difference. If so I might buy cheaper now and then only keep it for a shorter time.
 
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