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It has the rigidity of a tunafish sandwich. That's a problem.
Nope, had my 2018 since release, somehow it managed to not bend in half. I also have a 12" MacBook in which the screen "half" is much weaker than an iPad Pro. That too somehow has kept its original shape. Aside from standing or sitting on one i don't see how it's going to bend.
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Early 2020 IPP worth the update if Apple fixes it with 8GB of RAM .
It's worth the update to me with 6 GB. Means i can play around with more of the cool stuff coming around like virtual machines, etc (without having to buy the 1 TB model - that's way more storage than I need internally).
 
What else is different? Chip is the same as previous gen except the unlocked one more core. Its all identical except camera

Come on now, that is just not true. It's OK to be disappointed in this refresh, but no need to say stuff that is false. The only difference is the camera? Really?
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2018 vs this one = it is lazy. Its literally the same thing.

Where do you see this as impressive?
YES the iPad is impressive but the update is not. :)


Thanks wannabe engineer. This isn’t lazy. There are exactly 0 apps that can approach taking the full power of the previous processor, let alone with an extra GPU core enabled. The new thermal design allows for the extra core to be enabled. Perhaps they were working with limited resources because of the pandemic’s effects on the supply line? No matter how you spin it, this is an impressive piece of hardware and calling it lazy from the sidelines is ridiculous
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Why? Explain, IN EXACT TERMS, how 8 GB of RAM would allow for any performance gains over 6 with the apps in the App Store
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Oh come on! Don't spin this like that. This has been planned for weeks if not months so it has nothing to do with current situation. Ram is the same, price too (except on the upgraded one)
Ok, wifi, sorry. Forgot

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Forgetting about WiFi 6, more ram and Lower prices of course. Damn that lazy Apple. Imagine why weren’t people rushing to develop and manufacture a new soc with all the factories closed down? Terrible
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xcept it beats all the other tablets out there and is faster than most laptops.
 
i wish i started ifixit
job of tearing things apart with precision
very cool - bravo to the founders
ive always been good at tearing things apart - and liked it
 
Maybe I am in the minority, but when that keyboard comes out in may with the trackpad, this will be my only computer that is not a desktop. I just got the new 12.9 and this thing is amazing with a Magic Trackpad.

You use a desktop? I've been using a 15" MBP for years and have never seen a reason to change.
 
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Thats a pretty bold statement from someone that doesn’t even own one.

For us that do, it’s been proven to be as robust or more so than the previous models.
I disagree, have gen 1 ipp and gen 3, definitely taking way more care on the latter than the first gen
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I have the 11 and 12.9 and I never had problem. I never want out of my way to see if it would bend.

Only if you go out of your way to do it.
Just because it hasn’t happen to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen, common fallacy a lot of you nay sayers tend to use, co worker carried hers with some case briefs, now it’s not exactly sitting flat on her desk
 
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You know, I never realized it before but there’s more battery than there is anything else. A12Z is powerful enough already, it might be time to put focus on power efficiency next-gen until software can catch up to the given performance.
 
Hello all, a newbie to the site with 32 years in Engineering and IT. So if my first post ruffles a few feathers I'll take the weak wristed slap in the face that accompanies it.

I've read through several of the posts here, and love the hateful Apple is flawless banter, it makes people think (or not). The majority of my computer time has been with Microsoft products, although I got on the Linux bus in 1991, and have been on and off the Apple bus so many times I'm not sure what city I'm in. My current Apple footprint is the 2019 iPad Air and the iPhone 11. I've had every iPhone thanks to that being my one long time career company provided phone. Always loved the contact manager, but we were on AT&T so service was always subpar. I have likewise had most of the iPads, up to and including the iPad Pro 11 with 128 Gb, and my current bedside reader (as stated). Also have had the last three Mac Pro including the Trashcan (no offense intended - base model, single CPU, no upgrades). And a 2014 MacBook Pro along the way. For whatever reason, I am more productive on a Windows PC than a MAC. This is not a slap at BSD/Next/IOS but a derivative of my long tenured experience with DOS and Windows. There, I'm caught up.

Now for my issues and disappointment with the 2020 iPad Pro. I had a lot of issues with my 2018 iPad Pro, and started to see a bit of warping in the case, so I listed and sold it. My current 2019 iPad Air was purchased entirely to be a stopgap for the 2020 iPad Pro 12.9, and learning about the new May release keyboard had me all in. Then I started reading the tech specs, and that got me to looking for the differences. As I see it, 4 more cores on the GPU, 2 Gig additional RAM, a new camera array (won't spend any time on this because I have my iPhone 11, and a Canon 90D for video), and slightly better temperature management. The issues come in when I compare the similarities, if not exact component migrations. The tech world is abuzz in the fact that the CPU is the exact same with the four cores that were already there now being opened for business. The benchmarks for performance are the exact same (within a margin of error), although those who love it take the highest average scores, and those who are upset take the lowest average scores. The external chassis is exactly the same, the battery is exactly the same, the ports are exactly the same, and by all accounts the performance is exactly the same. This had to be a choice by Apple, and there is not a lot of advertising that casts massive differences between the two platforms, so I have to believe the next iteration is not to far behind.

The reason I'd buy it: Honestly the only reason(s) I'd spend the additional $100-$300 between a 2018 and a 2020 is for RAM or to increase my internal storage. I want that new keyboard. Mouse and Trackpad incorporation (but that now works on my iPad Air with 13.4.

The reason I'm not going to buy it: I've been around Apple long enough to read the tea leaves, and when I hear the leaks about the A14X are valid, and the potential for mini LED's is enticing enough to wait. A 2 year old CPU, but Apple did that with all of the old Intel Chips, as they were a minimum of one gen behind. The same awesome display. No battery improvements. The camera I have to pay for and never use (hell, I'd buy a 2018 or 2020 NOW if I could get one without a camera). While I never had a problem with speed or refresh issues with my Pro 11, Apps continue to increase demand, and my tech needs to have stepped increases before I lay out a couple truck payments for a slightly better device than I already own.

To the fella who starts with Mr. Engineer, YES? I'm a EE, and spent 10 years designing, building, implementing data centers around the world, as well as documenting (FDA) the operational practices from power and cooling, to switching (Cisco and Juniper), structured wiring, fiber plants (single and multi-mode), NetApp and other mass storage, data security, data bases (SQL and Oracle), mesh networks, and backups (both remote and onsite tape libraries).

Let the hounds of hell and the lashings begin.
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"One more thing." I think Apple has been so busy with the Apple Spaceship that they have allowed tech innovations to take a back seat.
 
APPLE is currently already working on 3mm Axx ARM processors. I am willing to place a big bet that they cant shrink the chips past 3mm. So this is where we are going to see a technology slowdown. at least in shrinking processors and adding more transistors.
 
APPLE is currently already working on 3mm Axx ARM processors. I am willing to place a big bet that they cant shrink the chips past 3mm. So this is where we are going to see a technology slowdown. at least in shrinking processors and adding more transistors.
You lost that bet. TSMC is already manufacturing at 5nm for them. :)
 
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Incremental updates are good. Moving to annual updates is okay (like bloated apple of 10 years ago), moving to biannual updates is nicer (like good apple of 20 years ago).
 
Coming from a Touch ID iPad, this is likely a huge upgrade, the 2018 iPad Pro, not so much. But I still believe Apple is gonna do a substantial upgrade this year based on A13X, not A14 or A14X.
 
I remember back beyond the 22nm chip and Intel saying "that's it, no smaller." Then 3-D tri-gate happened.
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You lost that bet. TSMC is already manufacturing at 5nm for them. :)


I'm pretty certain he meant 3nm.
 
I think you are missing the point. For me its identical to iPhone 6 (which I still have btw) to iPhone 6S.
Maybe you are happy with everything Apple does but I'm not. No big deal but please don't belittle others just because you think otherwise.

Hey I’ll fix the whole whiney thread, buy an otter box case and be happy!
 
Coming from a Touch ID iPad, this is likely a huge upgrade, the 2018 iPad Pro, not so much. But I still believe Apple is gonna do a substantial upgrade this year based on A13X, not A14 or A14X.

You might be correct on the nomenclature, although those with their eyes on the prize are bantering about 14 series. We saw Apple make this numeric jump from the iPhone 8 to the 10. If someone were to ask me should I buy the 2018 or 2020, I'd say the 2020 if they were coming from a couple gens back, but if someone asked me (no one has) should I upgrade me 2018 to a 2020, I'd say absolutely not. One of those saying the A14X or Z is Ming-Chi Kuo.
 
I think you are wrong here. Kuo (or someone fairly accurate) mentioned that there won't be A13X which was confirmed as Apple just put the same CPU from previous gen and unlocked extra core. So Kuo accurate.
And as Kuo said, A14X later this year which I would say is accurate also. Why? Well recently all the info we got was pretty much correct. The mystery is gone and the leaks are spot on (with exceptions of course).
So yeah, another (PROPER) update later this year. Lets reevaluate in 8 months :)

Coming from a Touch ID iPad, this is likely a huge upgrade, the 2018 iPad Pro, not so much. But I still believe Apple is gonna do a substantial upgrade this year based on A13X, not A14 or A14X.
 
I'm assuming the iPhone 2020 is going to have the same camera set up?...So going back in to two camera...then the following year 1 camera...then repeat.
 
The bending remarks are humorous and really unwarranted. I have had the 12.9 Gen 1 since launch day. It gets hours a day and travels every day in my backpack. Never an issue or a bend. Such a useful tool. Honestly, any tablet can be bent (other than those carried by Moses perhaps)
 
No-one has mentioned the improved microphones. If used to take video this is a big improvement
The "so called" studio quality microphones are getting their hats handed to them in reviews. There have been side by side audio recordings by many of the unboxers, and MKBHD, with no detectable audio or phonically detectable difference. I suspect what might have happened is they moved to a different supplier who stated that they had O-Scope measurements proving the new mics were better. Since our ability to detect audio is between 20-20khz, if equipment measures the response between 18-35khz, technically they have more range, but margarine is not butter. Sorry, had to add a wacky there. Or in other words, who cares? When we talk to each other that range collapses down to 200-8khz, so any microphone difference would only be a benefit in clarity, not range. When I listen to the audio comparisons, I don't hear any difference, but I'm 59 and spent my military career around jets, turbo props, and jumping from perfectly good airplanes, so what do I know, ehhhh?
 
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