whether its warranted or not depending on who you ask. there are thousands of ancedetal in the ipad section just like your saying otherwise.
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Moses was able to break his tablet(s) and he was lifeproofed. Bending is only an unwarranted (interesting choice of terms - not authorize, really) if your device has never bent. My iPad Pro 11 never left the house, on the day of purchase had a 9h glass screen protector installed, and was put in a Spigen Tough Armor two layer case. So while mine, and so many others bending issues are not valid or unwarranted in your eyes, they are very valid in ours. Hope that's OK?
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I'm interested to hear what some studio folks say who use the iPad Pro exclusively as a display for their studio mixing boards. There is no doubt that professional sound folks are going to start looking for holes in the audiophiliac (their word not mine) differences between the two Pro's separated by two years.
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I got the 1 terabyte because I thought it would come with the most ram, I could have saved money and got the 512 if apple was upfront and honest about the all the intervals of their expensive devices. Imagine not knowing how much memory a computer had until after you buy it.
Huzzah!
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I'm was going to say I was torn on this one with you but I had to make sure my foot and mouth were separated before posting. Apple only puts the storage capacity on the retail box and not the RAM, so valid point. I was thinking the RAM would be clearly listed under Tech Specs on the 'new' iPad Pro page, but no where in the specs is RAM listed. Available storage is right there at the top. So I appreciate your pain in finding out this 2 year newer model has the same RAM at any storage capacity as it did way back in 2018 if you paid up to get the 1 TB version.
To me 6 makes zero sense. But 8 makes a ton of sense. I know the A12 handles RAM very different than the Intel CPU, but the cost per MB is so small right now, why didn't they go with 8? Plus Apple uses a comparatively slow RAM speed dye set...
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I also think the 16-inch MacBook Pro and 13.3”/14.1” MacBook Pro are getting temporary changes to adjust for thermal throttling. And making it bigger required Apple to add some screen real estate. They didn’t do anything to the screen or chip technology as far as CPUs. So, that means late this year or early next year, Apple introduces a true model refresh that has perhaps new colors, materials, finally an upgraded display tech as it’s been basically the same since 2012, 10th Gen Intel CPUs, and perhaps A-Series chips along with them. I have thought a lot lately about the possibility that Apple just includes both chips for three years. Whereas the Intel chip only runs when it has to and goes into a standby-state most of the time, and the ARM-based SoC runs everything system related, and all Apple software. Then, it gives software Developers three years to switch to compiled for ARM. Apple SoCs can run on a fraction of the power or be scaled infinitely. Think not just of many cores but four A-Series SoCs inside each computer. With GPU and all still using a fraction of the energy of Intel + AMD.
Sorry to go off topic, just think Apple has been stringing people along. They’re doing what they have to until the shining stars get true updates, or the whole company is going in the can if the executives think these upgrades are worthy. Whether it’s an iPad that’s less than 1% faster, an iPhone with same design for years, an old iPhone with same design since iPhone 6, and MacBooks that have needed keyboards as have been embarrassing to the company and its designers and employees for years.
Just because you’re not paying attention doesn’t mean there aren’t hardware upgrades. This was the big upgrade. Next year’s model may only bring A14X and mini-LED (and 5G for those who buy the cellular version).I agree with you but this is not an update. The only difference is the camera. Everything else is the same. Chip is old, structure is weak (for me) so I am not giving Apple my money for this.
Here’s my list, I’ve probably missed something:
- A12Z: GPU upgrade (meh but sure why not)
- 64—>128GB base storage
- 4GB—>6GB RAM (128/256/512GB)
- single—>dual camera
- LiDAR scanner
- Five “studio quality” microphones
- “Enhanced thermal architecture”
- WiFi 6
- U1 chip—ultra wideband
With an already beastly A12Z and a truly excellent display, maybe the question isn’t really whether this 4th generation is worth buying, but whether the 5th gen will be worth buying.
I think a better way to look at this iPad is it’s a free upgrade compared to 2018 for those needing/in the market for one now.
I’m in the market for an iPad, so the enhancements are an added bonus. I’m just unsure wether to wait for a proper cycle but it might be a year away.
I’m in the market for an iPad, so the enhancements are an added bonus. I’m just unsure wether to wait for a proper cycle but it might be a year away.
Indeed, imagine buying a computer before knowing how much memory it has.
Don’t put this on Apple. Take responsibility for your actions. If RAM capacity was important, you certainly could have gotten that info before making your purchase.
Instead of kicking yourself for a foolish purchase, why not return it for the one you prefer?
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My guess is that the 5th gen will be announced in November, and will release a couple weeks before Christmas 2020. The current Covid-19 drain on the economy is going to push companies to do stuff to tickle the bottom dollar, and Apple is not immune from that core operational requirements driven by profit and shareholders. We will see another iPad Pro or otherwise this year.
Those were the previous rumors, but latest rumor says 2021. For all we know it will be June or July 2021, which would be the typical refresh cycle 🤷♂️
Not according to Mark Gurman, Ming-Chi Kuo, CoinX, Phazer, or Oh, but I'm a consumer not a leaker. I also take it from what has been called a scientific common sense financial position, and review leaks ex post facto for accuracy. My money is still on a pre-Christmas release.
Fixes in bold
If you are really celebrating these things as "big" then it doesn't surprise me that we get such updates. Sorry but this was "stop-gap" job. Nothing more.
Here’s my list, I’ve probably missed something:
- A12Z: GPU upgrade (meh but sure why not) same as previous with some core unlocked (see benchmarks)
- 64—>128GB base storage was there before (meaning we had storage option before)
- 4GB—>6GB RAM (128/256/512GB) was there before (meaning 1TB had it)
- single—>dual camera mentioned
- LiDAR scanner mentioned
- Five “studio quality” microphones are we celebrating this as "big"?
- “Enhanced thermal architecture” are we celebrating this as "big"?
- WiFi 6 sure, nice forgot that one
- U1 chip—ultra wideband use?
With an already beastly A12Z and a truly excellent display, maybe the question isn’t really whether this 4th generation is worth buying, but whether the 5th gen will be worth buying.
Maybe, but I still call bull of a lot of that stuff. A phone or an iPad is a precision piece of eqiipment. Its not a screewdriver, you don't treat it like one where you just toss it around or shove it in a bag with 20 other things. You see these videos of people bending it, using both hands at full strength. Yeah, I could bend or break a Macbook too if I tried hard enough.
Like I said previous rumors were 2020.
Those were all guesses from before COVID-19 cratered economic activity. Don’t be surprised if things change. I wouldn’t be betting right now, from a non-scientific common sense position, financial or otherwise. ymmv.
Pa-leaze. You're asking on an Apple board about Apple value? Apple has not ever perceived a need to have value for dollar, and why would they when they have a cult following that will sell their boy/girlfriend/spouse into prostitution to get the next big thing? With the pages and pages of WTF press they are getting, and the on par comparisons between the 2018 and 2020, the 5th Gen will crush the 4th Gen without question. If it does not Apple will continue to muddle along in their very weak second tier computer space (third if you count cell phones).
And me too on the WiFi 6, completely forgot that, because for now it is completely forgettable. No commercial space has, nor will they have WiFi 6 in the near future. The cost to businesses to upgrade their wifi infrastructure signature to 6 is not in anyone's 2021 IT business forecast, or on anyone's IT business plan. Due to the financial impact the Corona virus is having with business shutdowns, it will be a full year before those who had a cash cushion are able to fully recover, and many will shut down. I purchased a Netgear Nighthawk AX12 router and it had nothing to do with WiFi 6 (maybe a futureproof nice to have), but because it is so much more capable than my X8 when it comes to security, et al. Near the end of the year I'll end up getting either the 2020 Gen 4 or the 5 if I'm right, and I'll have WiFi 6 - woohoo.
What’s with all the structural whining? If you’re doing something to your iPad that’s gonna cause it to bend you should probably have a heavy duty otter box on it anyways. I use one at work to measure vehicles and the case never comes off
Your “fixes” aren’t fixes, you fixed nothing lol.
Your “celebrating as big” comment is a straw man. I never said any one feature upgrade was “big”. I said that with all those features upgrades (and the price reductions were nice too) that this 4th gen is the big release—compared to a 5th gen.
Like I said, A14X will be faster than the beastly A12Z, and mini-LED will be better than the current incredible display.
But realize you’re taking two features that (arguably) are least in need of upgrading, and assigning them more weight than the combined feature upgrades from 3rd gen to 4th gen.
I challenge that calculus, and disagree. For those who want to hold out for those features, that’s fine. But an even faster SoC and an even better display aren’t going to make a ton of difference imo. As always, if you don’t need it now, there’s always going to be a more featureful model coming sometime in the future.
PS Saying the eighth core was “unlocked” is a mischaracterization, as it was never locked. It’s a better binning of the A12X. Intel has done the same thing for years.
Spoken like a true follower. "Why would or should anyone complain about a defective design?" Otter, Spigen, SupCase, Lifeproof and others all make amazing protection (vis a vis structural strength) for iPhones, and iPads, and for those in industries, or scenarios where such protection is an obvious benefit, I thing they are must haves (I had a Spigen case on my Pro 11 and it sat by my bedside as a night time reader). My Spigen case added .48 ounces to the iPad weight, and a Otterbox will adds 1.1 lbs, but who's counting when you own the lightest, thinnest, most durable and most portable tablet? Oh yeah, it also increases the thickness by 2.5x and that's without the protective snap on front cover. After you get the Otterbox on your iPad Pro 11 it will be like carrying your 2006 15" MacBook Pro. See, your iPad Pro can replace your laptop!
Your talking point is way past it’s sell by date. Apple’s customers don’t buy their products because they’re in a cult. They buy them because they value them.
That may anger you, and you might be upset or confused that Apple’s customers are willing to pay higher prices for hardware they highly value, but that’s not particularly relevant to Apple, or their customers.
If customers don’t find value in the 4th gen iPad Pro, they won’t buy it—and owners of the third gen are very likely to be in that category. That’s the way it always is.
How many customers buy every iteration, whether iPhone, Mac, iPad or Watch? Various customers either will or will not perceive an upgrade to be “worth it” to them, compared to their current model. And they’ll buy, or not buy, accordingly. That’s how it works 🤷♂️
Your platitudes are entertaining to say the least. Nothing Apple nor it's customers does upsets me, I'm a Capitalist, and believe in the individuals right too do anything they want that makes them happy, short of threatening, causing others harm or loss. We all express value in different ways, don't get me wrong because I have one foot in the Apple swamp myself. As stated; I currently have the iPhone 11, and the 2019 iPad Air. I would have the 2020 Pro 12.9 in my hairy sweaty palms right now if it were actually an upgrade. To be totally honest, if I could find a use for it I'd also have an entry level Mac Pro (that damn thing is a work of art). Fortunately my video edits and sound production do not rise beyond the need of what I'm able to do on my Laptop, or I'd be buying the Mac Pro and foregoing the 2020 Ram 1500 Laramie Longhorn I ordered seven weeks ago (I think they cost about the same).
I'm glad you read them all, but you might have missed that CoinX' message was from yesterday in the morning. Phazer and Oh were pretty much saying the same thing on Tuesday. You must have some Parrot in your DNA? We all have opinions and ass*oles, some are more used than others. My GUESSES are just that, taken with a bit of rumored salt, and peppered with speculation of financial trends. I've been wrong before, and will be wrong again, but on a rare occasion I've been correct as well.
That works with the keyboard case?
It doesn't add any weight?
It fixes a problem that shouldn't be there in the first place?
I was hoping that the laugh and wink would have conveyed satire, but this is an Apple board. I agree with you in theory on the keyboard; sexy, and it does not add a lot of thickness while providing protection front and rear. Again, in theory, because it does not exist for ANYONE to get hands on.