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2021 Formula 1 Season Thread
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Glideslope
macrumors G3
I wouldn’t describe the F1 Thread here as a “Techie Forum.” There are plenty who focus just on the drivers. Some are into both, and others like myself lean more towards the cars themselves.
I agree with the point on adding a video to a post with some background.
However I have frequently posted links to news articles without it being prefaced as the article is self explanatory.
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sunapple
macrumors 68040
The celebrating by Hamilton was not just disrespectful, it was completely out of proportion given the incredible luck he had to have to win. Repairs under red flag, team ordered overtake, not to mention the fact he should’ve crashed along side Max the way he drove into him. Ham was acting like he won the world championship and even blamed Max in the interview. 10 sec penalty would’ve been fine, but RBR 0 points, grid penalty for next race, that’s all much worse than just the incident itself.
It’s not really the racing incident that’s controversial, it’s the aftermath.
There you go, some Dutch Verstappen-bias in the thread. It was definitely missing 😁
CWallace
macrumors G5
The man was on his home track packed with fans who were not sure they would be allowed to attend only a handful of weeks before due to COVID's resurgence in the UK and who were cheering loud and hard for him the entire weekend. He also would have known Max was physically okay* based on reports from the Medical Car team at the scene to Race Control which would have been monitored by the teams. I say let them all celebrate an amazing drive. 🙂
They didn't need to replace the wing and they would have swapped tires as a precaution under the Safety Car which would have taken care of the cracked rim they found. So in the end, the Red Flag didn't really make much of a difference to the state of his car and he would have likely resumed after the SC in the same position he resumed after the Red Flag.
* - (It is standard practice for a hospital visit after a major shunt as a precaution to check for any non-visible damage)
sunapple
macrumors 68040
While I’m only really trying to convey the point of bias, Mercedes themselves disagree about your point on the red flag.
I’m also not really sure what to make of Hamilton’s post-race performance, never quite sure what to make of his whole persona. It could be either really genuine or not at all, I just can’t make up my mind. But again, bias.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
What made me laugh the most was the criticism from Horner and Max about Hamilton celebrating his victory lol. Horner had no issues with podium celebrations with his driver in second place in Bahrain 2020 when Grosjean was hospitalised. The double standards and politics that Red Bull are pulling here are laughable.
Get over it Horner, your guy had a coming together on track where he was 50% at fault and unfortunately came off worse. This was a racing incident all day long and it seems most of the drivers and team principles seem to agree. Move on, it’s not like Red Bull aren’t going to be back in front this season with the performance differences etc. It was a great race and a great outcome for British fans. I appreciate this must hurt for the Milton Keynes team but Max has performed his fair share of these types of moves and somehow it’s wrong when he comes off worse for once.
Get over it Horner, your guy had a coming together on track where he was 50% at fault and unfortunately came off worse. This was a racing incident all day long and it seems most of the drivers and team principles seem to agree. Move on, it’s not like Red Bull aren’t going to be back in front this season with the performance differences etc. It was a great race and a great outcome for British fans. I appreciate this must hurt for the Milton Keynes team but Max has performed his fair share of these types of moves and somehow it’s wrong when he comes off worse for once.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Think you must have seen a different race.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Absolutely. Just let them get on and race. We can leave all the drama for reality TV. Going to be tasty for the rest of the season.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Indeed and I hope both have learned a lesson from this. Lewis will be less eager and Max now knows Lewis might not necessarily yield. It wasn’t long ago Verstappen was under the spotlight for crashing into other drivers very often and threatening to ‘headbutt journalists ’ for asking him about it. It’s not that him and Horner are criticising it so much, but the whiter than white act that gets me. They defend their own wheel banging when the advantage goes their way that’s for sure.
Imagine Dijon 1979 now? Villeneuve and Arnoux would be banned! lol
Exactly. Because if the roles were reversed and it was Max winning the Austrian Grand Prix, we all know for a fact he wouldn't have celebrated at all. Not in a million years. And even if he were tempted to, Horner would have made sure not so much as a smile appeared on his face.
I mean, really. We've all had an unthinkable 18 months. No fans at sports events, many events cancelled, uncertainty in every aspect of life. You win the British Grand Prix in dramatic fashion on 3 wheels in 2020 and have no fans to celebrate with.
Fast forward to 2021 and it's one of the first major sporting events to allow a full capacity crowd in the UK. Your race looks wrecked but you come back to take the lead and win with your home crowd all cheering you on, full of adrenaline after an exhausting race. And people expect you not to celebrate? Comedy at its finest, thanks.
ipsedixit
macrumors regular
While I think HAM did nothing wrong in terms of celebration (or driving for that matter), I am curious on the timing.
When HAM was celebrating and the all of the aftermath, was VER condition already known? That he was medically cleared?
If it was, then it's just a bunch of men acting like boys.
When HAM was celebrating and the all of the aftermath, was VER condition already known? That he was medically cleared?
If it was, then it's just a bunch of men acting like boys.
Max had already walked away and the trip to the hospital was just a precaution. It's only because it's Lewis who brings out the hate in people because he's not your typical driver.
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
He was on the footage during the red flag talking with doctors outside of his car, so I think most assumed he was ok. Hamilton asked on the radio about his condition too but this wasn’t largely spoken about for some reason or broadcast.
I think this race meant a lot to Lewis after the past year and the fact he hunted down the lead. I think he probably wanted to also show it was his race, in case the FIA take advice from the journalists instead of their stewards etc. Lewis is getting a lot of hate of late due to his personal beliefs outside of the sport, plus he’s been a bit too successful in his career so is automatically a baddie. I do wonder if Horner regrets his comments about the penalties Perez got in Austria now? There’s so much double standards here.
I did see a stat that’s suggested Max has been in 13 driver collisions since 2015. Lewis has been in 9 since his debut in 2007.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
CWallace
macrumors G5
I expect Max's health status was relayed to the teams from the FIA prior to the end of the race and if there was any real concern about his condition the team would have told Hamilton to be "properly subdued". Lewis and Max both showed restraint during the podium ceremony at Bahrain 2020.
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Exactly. We all know in racing sometimes it’s about who’s going to back out first in a bend. Max has been very good at making the other guy blink first. This time it was his turn to come of worse. What goes around, comes around.
CWallace
macrumors G5
And Max clearly had that confidence at Copse, which is why he took his normal line, assuming Lewis would back out. As the Sky presenters noted, it's not very easy to see a car that close to you in the mirrors.
And Lewis backing off during a similar situation in the Sprint Race the previous day - which in no small part helped Max take enough of a lead to break the tow for Lewis and keep him out of DRS range - might very well have played into Max's calculations.
IMO, Max (and RBR) expected Lewis to back off (again), he didn't, and they hit each other. Max gave enough room for Lewis to continue forward (as Max should have) and Lewis continued forward (as he should have).
If I had to assign blame, I'd assign it to Max for not giving more room, but as the driver in front, Max had the right to control the corner entry provided he did so in a safe manner (and I believe he was safe - he did not slam the door in Lewis' face by taking a very tight line and pinching the corner). Hence my view it was a Racing Incident.
ipsedixit
macrumors regular
I really don't think there is "blame" to go around.
It's just racing.
Like everything else in life, sometimes crap just happens in racing.
It's just racing.
Like everything else in life, sometimes crap just happens in racing.
ipsedixit
macrumors regular
I guess we (at least I) know why Tom Cruise was at the race over the weekend.
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Porsche GT3 dogfight is a motoring video like no other
This Porsche GT3 dogfight features one big name Hollywood star and two former Formula One winners at Silverstone racetrack.
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The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
I guess we (at least I) know why Tom Cruise was at the race over the weekend.
Porsche GT3 dogfight is a motoring video like no other
This Porsche GT3 dogfight features one big name Hollywood star and two former Formula One winners at Silverstone racetrack.
He’s been in Britain since the Euro’s and that Porsche segment for channel 4 was just an ad really. I think he’s over here filming something maybe?
Apple fanboy
macrumors Ivy Bridge
Isn’t it Mission Impossible something or other?
The-Real-Deal82
macrumors P6
Much like the Fast and Furious franchise, I think I saw the first one and that was enough lol.
Tom’s a bit old for chucking himself out of planes isn’t he?
ericwn
macrumors G5
Much like the Fast and Furious franchise, I think I saw the first one and that was enough lol.
Tom’s a bit old for chucking himself out of planes isn’t he?
Tom will stick to planes until he finally gets into the spaceship.
sunapple
macrumors 68040
True, exactly my point about bias. We all watched a different race.
I think Helmut Marko calling a lawyer to get Hamilton suspended is a bit extreme though lol.