2021 Formula 1 Season Thread

[pachyderm]

Like I said above, it was pretty obvious I wasn't being serious given how I post on here and the responses I give to those who have a pop at Lewis every chance. So how anyone could come to the conclusion I'm a hater of his is beyond me.

I can honestly say I don't ever recall reading anything from you positive about HAM.

You say you are a fan of his? That's fine. I just don't recall reading a post from you that even hints that you are.

The problem is you are very combative in your post's and in order see the sarcasm online one has to have a baseline in order to compare.

I feel like you're flailing at a lot of us and I don't like that. Oh well. That's my problem I guess.

Keep posting a lively debate on here is usually a welcome thing. Just don't be surprised if some of us flail back.


Back to F1: Well dang! Didn't Ocon run out of gas too? Happy for Sainz but it's gotta be a bitter pill since he didn't get to celebrate on the podium. Gutted for VET.

 

[ericwn]

I enjoyed Hungry more than I usually do.

Hungary.

 

[Pezimak]

Given the millions Mercedes pay him, you’d find it strange he’s not seeing a team doctor at the very least. But then I’ve no idea what the tests for long Covid are. I’ve not had short Covid (and hopefully won’t!).

Well he's seen the team doctor now, there must be tests they can do to find out if he gets more fatigued then before, like when they run on tread mills wearing breathing masks etc? F1 has more then enough money let alone Lewis to find out surely? He doesn't want to be getting dizzy losing concentration whilst driving. These days every aspect of a drivers health and fitness is monitored right? To ensure peak performance.

 

[Pezimak]

We still had one or two teams dominating every season though. It was rare anybody other than McLaren or Williams were winning. The racing is real now, it’s just technology is improved. The cars are easy to drive in some respects but now they are cornering much faster and the demands are still high on the driver.

We often get hung up on the romance of an era with so many iconic names like Senna, Mansell, Prost, Piquet etc, however we have some amazing talent and champions racing in this era. It’s perhaps almost comparable in that respect as the 90’s and early 00’s were less champion heavy. We should enjoy what we are seeing now as we are very lucky.

I preferred the older driving, they didn't need to worry about losing front end grip when following someone else. They were more aggressive. That's why it was great to see Alonso shutting the door on Lewis, like real proper racing, a true battle making Lewis work for it.

 

[Apple fanboy]

I preferred the older driving, they didn't need to worry about losing front end grip when following someone else. They were more aggressive. That's why it was great to see Alonso shutting the door on Lewis, like real proper racing, a true battle making Lewis work for it.

In theory next years cars should allow for closer driving due to the reduced aero packages. In practice, let’s see.

 

[Pezimak]

In theory next years cars should allow for closer driving due to the reduced aero packages. In practice, let’s see.

Yes I am very much looking forward to next year. I hope we see some proper racing like the older era. See some battles on the track.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I preferred the older driving, they didn't need to worry about losing front end grip when following someone else. They were more aggressive. That's why it was great to see Alonso shutting the door on Lewis, like real proper racing, a true battle making Lewis work for it.

I think Lewis and every other driver on the grid is more than used to that sort if driving though. Lewis made Alonso work hard too and it was impressive from both drivers. It reminded people these guys know how to race and especially after all the moronic criticisms Hamilton faced from plastic fans after Silverstone. I enjoyed it

 

[michael9891]

I can honestly say I don't ever recall reading anything from you positive about HAM.

You say you are a fan of his? That's fine. I just don't recall reading a post from you that even hints that you are.

The problem is you are very combative in your post's and in order see the sarcasm online one has to have a baseline in order to compare.

I feel like you're flailing at a lot of us and I don't like that. Oh well. That's my problem I guess.

Keep posting a lively debate on here is usually a welcome thing. Just don't be surprised if some of us flail back.

If I see something I disagree with, I'll speak my mind and certainly won't apologise for it. My original post was in response to someone suggesting Lewis is such a bad sport he wanted to take away the limelight from a fellow competitor on their first F1 win. Which is ridiculous, but nobody had anything to say about that.

 

[pachyderm]

If I see something I disagree with, I'll speak my mind and certainly won't apologise for it. My original post was in response to someone suggesting Lewis is such a bad sport he wanted to take away the limelight from a fellow competitor on their first F1 win. Which is ridiculous, but nobody had anything to say about that.

wow.

That doesn't sound like Lewie at all, does it?

And damn if he didn't try to celebrate! I was texting one of my buddies here in TN who is a HAM fan they better get him some help ASAP! he couldn't manage to get the champagne open.

I actually like, I don't know him but you get it, HAM. I just don't root for him.

I'm more of an underdog guy. And even when my guy(Jarno Trulli) was on a good team he still only had one good result.

I did like Damon Hill but it took him how many years and SCHU in a piece of sh*t Ferrari to win one didn't it?

 

[Pezimak]

I think Lewis and every other driver on the grid is more than used to that sort if driving though. Lewis made Alonso work hard too and it was impressive from both drivers. It reminded people these guys know how to race and especially after all the moronic criticisms Hamilton faced from plastic fans after Silverstone. I enjoyed it

It's what I'm hoping to see regularly next year. But I enjoy seeing old dogs like those two battle in that way. Good hard exciting racing. It does get boring when someone simply moves over for Lewis, why? Make him work for it. Makes it exciting then.

I'm hoping to see Lando battle at the front next year, he just needs a bit more power. He's a nice guy too. Plus it means a McLaren at the front!

 

[Apple fanboy]

It's what I'm hoping to see regularly next year. But I enjoy seeing old dogs like those two battle in that way. Good hard exciting racing. It does get boring when someone simply moves over for Lewis, why? Make him work for it. Makes it exciting then.

Why? Because on the rare occasions he is having to pass slower cars (not lap them), there really isn’t much point trying to hold up a much faster car. It won’t stop the outcome and just puts a bigger gap between you and the guy you are chasing.
Your used to seeing people move out of the way as he’s usually lapping a good chunk of the field.

 

[Pezimak]

Why? Because on the rare occasions he is having to pass slower cars (not lap them), there really isn’t much point trying to hold up a much faster car. It won’t stop the outcome and just puts a bigger gap between you and the guy you are chasing.
Your used to seeing people move out of the way as he’s usually lapping a good chunk of the field.

Because its 'racing' and you should defend your position, why let someone just go past when you can race them, Alonso proves that and made it all the more exciting for it, don't bend to Mercedes just cause it's a faster car as it doesn't mean they should get a free pass if they will take your position.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Because its 'racing' and you should defend your position, why let someone just go past when you can race them, Alonso proves that and made it all the more exciting for it, don't bend to Mercedes just cause it's a faster car as it doesn't mean they should get a free pass if they will take your position.

Because if Alonso was 1 second behind the guy he was trying to beat and Lewis comes up behind him he can defend for 10 laps, lose the position (because it’s inevitable) and find he lost a second a lap defending. He’s now 11 seconds behind the guy he was catching.

 

[ipsedixit]

Interesting numbers.

Source:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1422489661113618434

 

[ericwn]

Because if Alonso was 1 second behind the guy he was trying to beat and Lewis comes up behind him he can defend for 10 laps, lose the position (because it’s inevitable) and find he lost a second a lap defending. He’s now 11 seconds behind the guy he was catching.

That’s just racing. Defending can cost time. Moving aside kills the sport as most don’t want to view entitlement races, my guess.

 

[pachyderm]

Because its 'racing' and you should defend your position, why let someone just go past when you can race them, Alonso proves that and made it all the more exciting for it, don't bend to Mercedes just cause it's a faster car as it doesn't mean they should get a free pass if they will take your position.

Why? Because on the rare occasions he is having to pass slower cars (not lap them), there really isn’t much point trying to hold up a much faster car. It won’t stop the outcome and just puts a bigger gap between you and the guy you are chasing.
Your used to seeing people move out of the way as he’s usually lapping a good chunk of the field.

Racing for position versus a lapped car moving over are two different things anyway.

 

[Apple fanboy]

That’s just racing. Defending can cost time. Moving aside kills the sport as most don’t want to view entitlement races, my guess.

I think it depends on ones understanding of tactics. These days most F1 fans understand you don’t always defend every position if it doesn’t match your overall strategy. It’s a marathon not a sprint.

 

[Glideslope]

Strong rumors developing that Mercedes will make the call during the break.

Stroll to Mercedes, Bottas to Austin Martin.

Do some searching and offer an opinion. Logic behind what I’ve read seems very solid. F1 internal politics are alive and well.

 

[michael9891]

Daddy's influence?

 

[Glideslope]

Daddy's influence?

Daddy‘s extremely close friendship with Toto, and (Don’t jump on me for this) allowing Lewis to finish out at Mercedes with a relatively mediocre young driver as a Teammate that will be even more compliant than Bottas over the next 2 years (Not implying Bottas always rolled over.)

In no way a swipe at Lewis. However, when Lewis makes those gushing “Best Teammate Ever” comments about Bottas one would have to be a little naive not to get it.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

It would make sense from Mercedes point of view but is Stroll consistent enough to finish on the podium often in order to bring home those constructors points?

I still think Russell would be a better choice and especially after he showed he’d sacrifice his race for the team.

In no way a swipe at Lewis. However, when Lewis makes those gushing “Best Teammate Ever” comments about Bottas one would have to be a little naive not to get it.

I don’t see your comments as a swipe. I think Lewis is at a point where he can expect number one status within Mercedes, he’s given that team so much over the past 8 years. They don’t want another 2016 situation which disrupts focus on the main prizes. A solid number 2 is the best for Mercedes and Lewis whereas for the fans it’s a little less entertaining.

 

[Apple fanboy]

Russell will be gutted if that happens.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Russell will be gutted if that happens.

Indeed. The way I see it is Stroll is an ok driver who is in F1 due to his billionaire father whereas Russell is there because he has earned a place through merit. He’s worked hard for Mercedes and is more deserving but F1 is a money sport and I wouldn’t be surprised.

 

[michael9891]

Big shame for Russell, I don't think many people would have thought anyone but him or Bottas would get that second seat. I can understand why Mercedes wouldn't want to get someone who would push Lewis all the way every week.

Aston would probably be the best Bottas could hope for if the switch is made.

 

[Glideslope]

It would make sense from Mercedes point of view but is Stroll consistent enough to finish on the podium often in order to bring home those constructors points?

I still think Russell would be a better choice and especially after he showed he’d sacrifice his race for the team.


I don’t see your comments as a swipe. I think Lewis is at a point where he can expect number one status within Mercedes, he’s given that team so much over the past 8 years. They don’t want another 2016 situation which disrupts focus on the main prizes. A solid number 2 is the best for Mercedes and Lewis whereas for the fans it’s a little less entertainment.

No, Stroll is not consistent enough IMO. From the articles out there it would seem the thought process is he could be in a W13.

As far as George everything I’ve read the past few days is that Lewis has told Toto “He does not want Russel as a Teammate.” Take the interpretation as you want. My read is not that George would out drive him (although it’s a possibility) but that George is very aggressive and would not compliment Lewis’ goals.

Lewis wants a compliant teammate for 22-23.

On another note, I see Bottas and Vettel working very well together at Austin Martin if it happens. I was convinced Bottas was heading to the WRC, but these rumors could change my mind.