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2021 Formula 1 Season Thread

Pezimak said:
Oh I know ’and hear’ all about Mercedes’ politics, some of it dirty too and stuff the public don’t hear about, but that’s F1, just as much about politics as it the racing.
To me I saw nothing in the video that made Max bad, he was defending as he should and probably missed his braking point looking at Lewis, if he did anything else then what he did do then he probably would have hit Lewis, and all he did was delay the inevitable anyway.

We need Max to win the next race to keep the hopes of it going to the last race alive.
I’m also very keen to see next years season to see how the new cars overtake. And looking further to 2024 I hope Sky lose their rights to exclusive live races, I know a few teams aren’t happy about Skys monopoly on the sport, hopefully Amazon or someone will out bid them, make it cheaper to watch then and bring it to more people.
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Every team gets involved in politics to a certain degree as it has always been part of the sport. Lots of money and marketing leverage at stake. I don’t believe for a second you know anymore about the internal politics within Mercedes as i know how threatening even the smaller teams NDA’s are. If you drop a comment like ‘stuff the public don’t hear’, it just sounds like discussion anchorage and comes across as untrue. People in the know don’t have to advertise it ;)
 
pachyderm said:
It has been a very close title run and wouldn't it be funny if the ones who were found cheating were RBR?
I mean where did they find the pace? How did they suddenly get up front on such a consistent basis? Is it all be cause of the new regulations(2022) and the lack of development on the 2021 chassis?
If so, why hasn't any other team also gotten caught up?
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Playing Devil's Advocate, 2021 did see aero tweaks that overall reduced downforce. My guess is that these downforce reductions affected the RBR chassis less than they did the AMG chassis so this has allowed RBR to narrow the performance gap compared to 2020. RBR was also allowed a bit more aerodynamic testing time than AMG as they were 2nd in the Championship and AMG were first. So that could have allowed RBR to better tweak their chassis with the new downforce reductions.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
Every team gets involved in politics to a certain degree as it has always been part of the sport. Lots of money and marketing leverage at stake. I don’t believe for a second you know anymore about the internal politics within Mercedes as i know how threatening even the smaller teams NDA’s are. If you drop a comment like ‘stuff the public don’t hear’, it just sounds like discussion anchorage and comes across as untrue. People in the know don’t have to advertise it ;)
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I have inside sources… I’ve heard things never released into the public domain. People talk. I also don’t repeat what I hear due to that. But more teams then others play dirty politics. No anchorage, just facts.
 
Pezimak said:
I have inside sources… I’ve heard things never released into the public domain. People talk. I also don’t repeat what I hear due to that. But more teams then others play dirty politics. No anchorage, just facts.
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Interesting definition of facts. Sources I can't reveal, I know more than you trust me. Yeah that's social media "Facts" not real ones.
 
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Pezimak said:
I have inside sources… I’ve heard things never released into the public domain. People talk. I also don’t repeat what I hear due to that. But more teams then others play dirty politics. No anchorage, just facts.
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No point even saying you have inside sources then. I know people who work in F1 but I’m not going to pretend it makes me anymore knowledgable than you. I’ll call your bluff, what area within Mercedes does your source work within?
 
burgman said:
Interesting definition of facts. Sources I can't reveal, I know more than you trust me. Yeah that's social media "Facts" not real ones.
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Yes it’s the trust I have with my friends, I don’t hear about technical advances or details on cars that are secret, just hear about some of the politics that go on and what people think of each other. Can be quite interesting sometimes. I also hear about things the team has looked at and tried but couldn’t get to work.
People who work in F1 are friends with those outside F1 you know, it’s not hard to believe someone knows a few of them.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
No point even saying you have inside sources then. I know people who work in F1 but I’m not going to pretend it makes me anymore knowledgable than you. I’ll call your bluff, what area within Mercedes does your source work within?
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I never said I knew anyone in the Mercedes team ;)
 
Pezimak said:
I never said I knew anyone in the Mercedes team ;)
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You said you had inside knowledge and knew some of the dirty politics Mercedes’ get up to. Now, you didn’t know the resources available to the FIA the other day so I assumed your inside knowledge wasn’t from the governing body. So what you’re saying now is you know someone who deals with the top brass of Mercedes on a personal level but isn’t part of their organisation. This is getting more far fetched I think. Nice try though lol.
 
Well Max was easily 3-4 car widths off the track in order to defend against Lewis. Not just missing the corner by a bit. Lewis had to steer even further out in order to avoid a collision.

If that’s not an attempt to run the opponent off track I don’t know what is.
 
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Pezimak said:
Yes it’s the trust I have with my friends, I don’t hear about technical advances or details on cars that are secret, just hear about some of the politics that go on and what people think of each other. Can be quite interesting sometimes. I also hear about things the team has looked at and tried but couldn’t get to work.
People who work in F1 are friends with those outside F1 you know, it’s not hard to believe someone knows a few of them.
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You’re not in any exclusive position here mate. F1 employs tens of thousands of people and of course people know those who work in the industry. I worked in F1 briefly 22 years ago when I left school and Tom Walkinshaw was a bit of a moron. This doesn’t mean I have any more knowledge than others who are just as enthusiastic about F1. I did a project I mentioned in this thread I think with FOM earlier this year too. Many of us have links and friends in the industry. Most of the personality opinions are out there anyway.
 
ericwn said:
Well Max was easily 3-4 car widths off the track in order to defend against Lewis. Not just missing the corner by a bit. Lewis had to steer even further out in order to avoid a collision.

If that’s not an attempt to run the opponent off track I don’t know what is.
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I think Hamilton’s experience showed there. He couldn’t crash out and lose the points, so the risk was too much. Avoiding a bizarre off track excursion with the speed he had was the best option. I am surprised it wasn’t checked properly at the time though. Most incidents take a while for the footage and replays to come through but this one was dismissed almost straight away. Lewis certainly isn’t going to lose this title without a fight.
 
The-Real-Deal82 said:
You said you had inside knowledge and knew some of the dirty politics Mercedes’ get up to. Now, you didn’t know the resources available to the FIA the other day so I assumed your inside knowledge wasn’t from the governing body. So what you’re saying now is you know someone who deals with the top brass of Mercedes on a personal level but isn’t part of their organisation. This is getting more far fetched I think. Nice try though lol.
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That's pure assumption and insinuation on your part, I said nothing of what you 'claim' here and not knowing the Race Director doesn't see live telemetry data doesn't mean anything, I find your comment a little obnoxious claiming I 'know someone who deals with Mercedes Top Brass', the teams and mechanics know an awful lot of what goes on, which you seemed to have failed to recognise here.

The-Real-Deal82 said:
You’re not in any exclusive position here mate. F1 employs tens of thousands of people and of course people know those who work in the industry. I worked in F1 briefly 22 years ago when I left school and Tom Walkinshaw was a bit of a moron. This doesn’t mean I have any more knowledge than others who are just as enthusiastic about F1. I did a project I mentioned in this thread I think with FOM earlier this year too. Many of us have links and friends in the industry. Most of the personality opinions are out there anyway.
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I never claimed I was in a 'exclusive position'? I hear things the public might not sometimes but that doesn't affect the racing on track, so fail to see your accusation here? I'm glad you briefly worked in F1, happy for you. Hope you enjoyed it.
I wasn't trying to come across as elitist or privileged, because you can know and hear about things but as I said it doesn't change the racing you see on track.
 
Apple fanboy said:
Agreed. He’ll win unless he gets a dnf. The stewards have given him a green light to run his rival off the track.
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The drivers requested the stewards 'let them race' and that's what they are doing, if they don't like the decisions being made they only have themselves to blame. And if the Race Director felt the move required further investigation they would have done so, just the same with Lewis in Silverstone. Max got warned for his snaking as was justified at the time. Max has been squeezed off the track by Lewis a few times himself and no action was taken.
 
Pezimak said:
That's pure assumption and insinuation on your part, I said nothing of what you 'claim' here and not knowing the Race Director doesn't see live telemetry data doesn't mean anything, I find your comment a little obnoxious claiming I 'know someone who deals with Mercedes Top Brass', the teams and mechanics know an awful lot of what goes on, which you seemed to have failed to recognise here.


I never claimed I was in a 'exclusive position'? I hear things the public might not sometimes but that doesn't affect the racing on track, so fail to see your accusation here? I'm glad you briefly worked in F1, happy for you. Hope you enjoyed it.
I wasn't trying to come across as elitist or privileged, because you can know and hear about things but as I said it doesn't change the racing you see on track.
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The discussion moved on, I took it for what it was, no problem.
 
sunapple said:
Winning the championship will not be easy for Max. Even if Hamilton needs every win from now on.
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No it won’t. There’s been allot of baiting in here the past weeks as “Just don’t see how Max can’t win it.”

Personally I’m only into the rest of the Season for Honda and RBR to win the WCC. With an 11 point gap going into today Sergio does not look like he will be much help, but you never know.

Makes no difference to me if it’s Lewis or Max who wins the WDC. To me it’s about the Chassis’s and Power Units.
 
sunapple said:
Possible grid penalty for Max, not slowing down under yellow flag, will be decided tomorrow… Won’t they just accept another fine or something? ?

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Don’t worry. Max won’t get a penalty.
Good day at the office for Lewis. Going to be interesting to see how the race goes. I like the night races. But if it is hard to follow as predicted, not sure if there will be much overtaking.
 
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