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2022-2023 NFL Thread

Rafterman said:
Chiefs aren't unique in the regard.
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True, but he's not a good QB, he's shaping up to be a great QB. His stats back that up.

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But I would think somebody would have given him a shot by now
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I think if all teams had to wait until after the super bowl to hire a head coach, the odds would been better but every team who needs a HC has been in a rush to fill that position. I think Indy and Ariz are outliers in this day and age.

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I can't believe Eric B had no influence at all on Mahomes' greatness.
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How much of the influencing that happened was because of Andy Reid and how much was from Eric? Reid, has a long history of getting the most of out his Qbs, not his OC.

I'm not saying that Eric Bieniemy is a bad coach, but I can only surmise that Mahomes' greatness is diluting the positive vibes that a super bowl winning asst coach would get.

Maybe he's a great coach, but he's a horrible interviewer? I mean he's been interviewed a number of times these past few years but nothing happened. So the teams were not impressed with what he had to say - just guessing

Reid's coaching tree could be a factor (I'm reaching on this one). Looking at his coaching tree there's a lot of bad coaches (not worse then Belichick's coaching tree). There's a couple of good HC coaches that learned under Reid but a lot that were not.
 
Gregg2 said:
On another aspect of this call, it seems that the "uncatchable pass" exception has gone away. Sometimes that's obvious, but I bet they stopped calling that because they don't really know on the borderline cases. I haven't heard a ref declare that there was no interference due to the fact that the pass was not catchable in many years.
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That is the biggest issue I have with defensive holding vs pass interference. That ball in the SB was uncatchable. I don't think he gets there even with a free release.

But the uncatchable ball exception doesn't apply to holding.

Perhaps they need to change it to Major and Minor PI, like of like running into vs roughing the kicker.
 
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Herdfan said:
That ball in the SB was uncatchable.
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In college, the ide of uncatchable is considered when considering PI. Also PI in college is 15 yards at most (or placed where the infraction occurred if its less then 15).

There are rules and rule changes that I just don't get. There used to be a rule, that if you forced out a receiver so he couldn't get his feet down inbounds - that was considered a catch. Now, if the receiver jumps up in the air by the sidelines, the defense need only push him out in mid air.

PI in the NFL is one of the most harshest and game changing infractions. No matter how you slice the pie, it alters the game. Granted you can make the case without the interference, the receiver is likely to make the catch but them catching the ball is no guarantee, if you catch my drift, yet with PI you reward the offense what could be a mass amount of yards
 
maflynn said:
In college, the ide of uncatchable is considered when considering PI. Also PI in college is 15 yards at most (or placed where the infraction occurred if its less then 15).

There are rules and rule changes that I just don't get. There used to be a rule, that if you forced out a receiver so he couldn't get his feet down inbounds - that was considered a catch. Now, if the receiver jumps up in the air by the sidelines, the defense need only push him out in mid air.

PI in the NFL is one of the most harshest and game changing infractions. No matter how you slice the pie, it alters the game. Granted you can make the case without the interference, the receiver is likely to make the catch but them catching the ball is no guarantee, if you catch my drift, yet with PI you reward the offense what could be a mass amount of yards
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If you through the ball down field for 30plus yards and there is pass interference... yikes for the defense. I kind of like the college rule.
 
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maflynn said:
In college, the ide of uncatchable is considered when considering PI. Also PI in college is 15 yards at most (or placed where the infraction occurred if its less then 15).

There are rules and rule changes that I just don't get. There used to be a rule, that if you forced out a receiver so he couldn't get his feet down inbounds - that was considered a catch. Now, if the receiver jumps up in the air by the sidelines, the defense need only push him out in mid air.

PI in the NFL is one of the most harshest and game changing infractions. No matter how you slice the pie, it alters the game. Granted you can make the case without the interference, the receiver is likely to make the catch but them catching the ball is no guarantee, if you catch my drift, yet with PI you reward the offense what could be a mass amount of yards
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Also, time for college OT rules. The NFL's OT rules suck.
 
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maflynn said:
There are rules and rule changes that I just don't get. There used to be a rule, that if you forced out a receiver so he couldn't get his feet down inbounds - that was considered a catch. Now, if the receiver jumps up in the air by the sidelines, the defense need only push him out in mid air.
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Yeah, they changed that a few seasons ago.

maflynn said:
PI in the NFL is one of the most harshest and game changing infractions. No matter how you slice the pie, it alters the game. Granted you can make the case without the interference, the receiver is likely to make the catch but them catching the ball is no guarantee, if you catch my drift, yet with PI you reward the offense what could be a mass amount of yards
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I agree, it is harsh. Perhaps the reason the college rule is different is that maybe they suppose the NFL receiver will be able to make the catch where a college receiver may not.

But I would also be fine with it being a 15 yard penalty vs a spot foul.

One change I would like to see is something related to the half the distance penalties. For example, if the offense has the ball 3rd and goal on the 4 and the defense jumps offsides, the penalty is only 2 yards and it is still 3rd down for what normally would be a first down. So if the normal penalty distance would give a team a first down, they should be awarded the 1st down.
 
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rhett7660 said:
If you through the ball down field for 30plus yards and there is pass interference... yikes for the defense. I kind of like the college rule.
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I don’t like the college rule. Long pass, 30 yards let’s say, you are beaten so just interfere and come out ahead 15 yards.
 
ucfgrad93 said:
I don’t like the college rule. Long pass, 30 yards let’s say, you are beaten so just interfere and come out ahead 15 yards.
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…assuming that the pass would have been caught, one foot in bounds and all that. What about holding calls? A guy is beaten, so he grabs the receiver to avoid having him get wide open. The defender is willing to give up 5 yards and a first down to avoid what should be an easy touchdown. (The ball still has to be on target, etc.) That's a frequent choice defenders make. Should that one be changed, too?
 
ucfgrad93 said:
I don’t like the college rule. Long pass, 30 yards let’s say, you are beaten so just interfere and come out ahead 15 yards.
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Except that PI is a bit more stringent in college. The ball has be catachble and by large if the defender is looking back or trying for the ball, the refs will be less likely to throw a flag. In the NFL, all you have to do is bump into the receiver a ref will throw a flag.

Running long routes in the hopes of a catch or PI is more of a NFL thing imo
 
Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers?

He's largely been quiet but the chatter of GB looking to move on seems to be growing. It may be a concerted effort to get him moving and stop with holding the team hostage.
 
maflynn said:
Thoughts on Aaron Rodgers?

He's largely been quiet but the chatter of GB looking to move on seems to be growing. It may be a concerted effort to get him moving and stop with holding the team hostage.
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The GBP let themselves be held hostage last year and then they made things worse for themselves by giving him that extension. If they think Love is the future, which I don't and maybe they don't really either, they should have let him walk.

As for this year, his cap hit is going to hurt. They need to move him to a new team that can at least play the game and make it a 4 year deal to spread the cap hit over 4 years instead of 2.
 
Herdfan said:
he GBP let themselves be held hostage last year
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Their missteps go beyond this past year, and now they painted themselves into a corner. Love didn't do himself any favors by not playing great when he had the opportunities.
 
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Packers are in the same position as the Broncos concerning their QBs. They have both overpaid for a QB that is on the downside of their career and they can’t cut them cause the cap hit would absolutely crush them.
 
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I wonder what Rodgers would do if GBP told him that they plan to demote him to a backup role if he returns for another season with them.
 
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Rafterman said:
I predict zero chance of that. He either starts or gets traded.
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or retires perhaps......but nudging him out by suggesting that he's going to be number 2, that may be how they get him to leave.....by whatever route he chooses, as long as he leaves
 
Macky-Mac said:
or retires perhaps......but nudging him out by suggesting that he's going to be number 2, that may be how they get him to leave.....by whatever route he chooses, as long as he leaves
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They can't "get him to leave." They either cut him or trade him. It's not like he will volunarily leave and give up his salary.
 
Rafterman said:
They can't "get him to leave." They either cut him or trade him. It's not like he will volunarily leave and give up his salary.
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I think his salary is guaranteed in '23. So even if they cut him, he still gets paid.

And still affects their cap.
 
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They can't "get him to leave." They either cut him or trade him. It's not like he will volunarily leave and give up his salary.
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sure they could.....given the choice of riding the bench in GB or starting somewhere else.....I suspect his ego would have him asking to be paid to play elsewhere

But who knows whether GB management wants him back or not.....or whether he wants somewhere else even if they want him back
 
Rafterman said:
I predict zero chance of that. He either starts or gets traded.
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I actually can him being a 60 million dollar backup. Until Love plays horribly and they lose a game. I'd estimate a late August, early September time frame ;)

While the threat of not starting doesn't seem all that credible, I think its really the only leverage they have.
 
maflynn said:
I actually can him being a 60 million dollar backup. Until Love plays horribly and they lose a game. I'd estimate a late August, early September time frame ;)

While the threat of not starting doesn't seem all that credible, I think its really the only leverage they have.
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And for some reason, like I mentioned before, I think he would be ok with it as long as he is getting paid. I big FU to the organization if you will.
 
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