When I was playing Jr. High and Hish School, this one school's football field was on an old brickyard. Hardest field I ever played on.
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When I was playing Jr. High and Hish School, this one school's football field was on an old brickyard. Hardest field I ever played on.
It's insane there was hardly anything worth watching, but I saw like six commercials for things I want to see coming soon.
EDIT: I actually thought the first catch was more of a completion than the second. The second seemed like it could have gone either way. The fumble was what really did the Eagles in.
The whole Mahomes GOAT thing started a few years ago. Back then they won the 49ers SB, with dumb luck. They won most games that way back them. Their game changed a lot, to the better. He has potential and so does Reid, they found each other, like Belichick and Brady. They're on a good way, but have a long, long way to go. He now passed Rodgers and Brees. He's the first regular and SB MVP since Warner over 20 years ago. That list is short.
They've demonstrated one thing yesterday. Analyse and find the opponents' weakness in the first half, make changes to the game plan, come back and beat them without relying on bad ref calls, luck or mistakes of the other team. Now one might say that wasn't too difficult considering they played the Eagles, but they were not able to show their top game either. They won by making the right calls, based on the weakness of the others. That ability is what the Patriots perfected and were able to master for many years.
I still think he's overrated with his $450M+ contract, he didn't live up to that... yet. And then there's Purdy and the 49ers, would like to see them start the way they played before they had no QB left. And if wishful thinking is allowed, I hope Wilson will finally arrive in Denver and they'll make enough adjustments to get the Broncos back on top.
They've demonstrated one thing yesterday. Analyse and find the opponents' weakness in the first half, make changes to the game plan, come back and beat them without relying on bad ref calls, luck or mistakes of the other team. Now one might say that wasn't too difficult considering they played the Eagles, but they were not able to show their top game either. They won by making the right calls, based on the weakness of the others. That ability is what the Patriots perfected and were able to master for many years.
I still think he's overrated with his $450M+ contract, he didn't live up to that... yet. And then there's Purdy and the 49ers, would like to see them start the way they played before they had no QB left. And if wishful thinking is allowed, I hope Wilson will finally arrive in Denver and they'll make enough adjustments to get the Broncos back on top.
I'm glad we landed Payton as our coach. I think Wilson will improve, but after his terrible 2022 season, I think his best days are behind him.
Wilson will be 35 in mid season this Fall, and I suspect that age has already started to catch up with him. Bronco fans are likely to continue to be disappointed
Well he is getting older and you are probably correct, but I think with the right coach he can be very effective. Remember, Manning won a SB there with his best days WAY behind him.
While I believe Wilson will be better, I don't think he is going to take the Broncos to the Super Bowl. I don't think that he is able to beat all of the AFC top tier QBs: Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, etc.
It wasn't a bad call, it was holding. Even Bradbury admitted it was and said he hoped they would let it go.
It was one of those calls where if you are completely impartial, you could have seen it either way. If they call it, OK, if they don't OK.
The two calls I thought they got wrong was Godert's catch on the sideline. I didn't think he had possession. And the one reason I think they got it wrong was I don't think if it had been ruled an incomplete pass they would have been able to change that call.
The second was the second scoop and score when the receiver fumbled on the hit. I thought it was a clean catch. He had possession and control, but I guess by the letter of the rule, he hadn't made a football move. But it certainly looked like he was starting to.
Don't get me started on NFL catch rules. As far as I am concerned, if you catch the ball, have two feet down and don't drop it, it's a catch. All this control and surviving the ground and other nonsense...
Coaching and special teams can, and often do make the ultimate difference between two evenly-matched teams. I don't know where the Eagles' special teams ranked this season, and it's one of those things that's not talked about much. But that punt return was very important.
Another thing was that time of possession gap in the first half meant that Mahomes wasn't actually on the field that much before aggravating his ankle before halftime. The gap closed in the second half, but overall, the Eagles still held the ball for 10 minutes more. Can't definitively say that helped him (or certainly not like whatever they did for him during halftime), but running fewer plays on a bum leg couldn't have hurt.
No right or wrong, and it's the coach's call. I think Reid had earned the benefit of the doubt long before this game, and all's well that ended well. If it was Brandon Staley, OTOH…
GOAT? Dynasty? That's just standard hot air, way premature, but is part of the show. Brady and Montana will be remembered for what they pulled off, but they played a lot of mediocre, if not bad, games as well. The docuseries they did on Montana was a reminder of this, and Brady's eventually will as well. The most relevant thoughts should be devoted to whether the team, and organization, is set up to give them a chance at further success.
The game is different as well. Some of the offensive stars now might not hold up so well if they were playing then, and creamed without the rules now in place to protect them, and promote the offensive show. Imagine what some of those old defenses like the Bears, or Giants could have done to a guy with a bum leg when they caught him, driving him into the ground, and making sure he won't get up again,or at least, very slowly. Or even these Eagles, if truly unleashed. Receiver over the middle? Hold on tight, the safety is coming at full speed, aiming to take your head off. Not gonna happen in today's game.
Philly fans will of course gripe about the call, as did the SF fans in the NFC title game. But they're all part of the game, and the totality of play is what determines the outcome of the game, and the season as a whole.
But the NFL has to be aware that game disruptions hurt the show, and helicopter booth officiating could have a deterimental effect on the field officials' mindset, especially the inexperienced or less confident ones.
Booth officials are subject to errors as well, and I don't think it has been necessarily great for baseball either.
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Well that’s certainly true, the Eagles defense didn’t do much to add to their sack total in the super bowl, and Mahomes was usually able to get rid of the ball. I think that’s a credit to the KC offensive line, to be honest, and to the play calling. There weren’t a lot of KC long shots down the field, that’s true.
Before the game, there were lots of comparisons which said that “the Eagles had more ways to win” and would come out on top by a clear 10 points or more, but it didn’t turn out like that. The Eagles played to the limits of their ability and had their moments, like that long catch by Smith where he got free but inexplicably stepped out of bounds just before the KC goal line.
I think the Eagles showed there are limitations to their offense. It was expected that they were going to run the ball a lot against a Chiefs defense which wasn’t supposed to be that good at stopping the run, but the Chiefs got the critical stop in the 4th quarter in what was otherwise a tit-for-tat exchange of scores.
Before the game, there were lots of comparisons which said that “the Eagles had more ways to win” and would come out on top by a clear 10 points or more, but it didn’t turn out like that. The Eagles played to the limits of their ability and had their moments, like that long catch by Smith where he got free but inexplicably stepped out of bounds just before the KC goal line.
I think the Eagles showed there are limitations to their offense. It was expected that they were going to run the ball a lot against a Chiefs defense which wasn’t supposed to be that good at stopping the run, but the Chiefs got the critical stop in the 4th quarter in what was otherwise a tit-for-tat exchange of scores.
I think his momentum carried him out of of bounds... Did look goofy as it happened but when I saw the replay I figured he couldn't fight his own inertia ... but who knows?
Good game IMHO. First one I've watched in its entirety in a while.
America is raising a bunch of lunk headed conspiracy theorists. I work at an elementary school and whenever the game was brought up I'd have two or three kids scream the "GAME WAS RIGGED! THE REFS LOVE MAHOMES!"... I know they are simply parroting their parents...
The one thing I thought I noticed was that there seemed to be a lot of uncalled false starts... brace yourselves.. mostly by the Chiefs ...lol. So maybe the refs do love Mahomes...? lol
Most conspiracy theories do contain a grain of truth, but only a grain.
I put this down to the refs not wanting to call all kinds of minor infractions which would have restricted the flow of the game. It was a good, relatively high-scoring game and I quite enjoyed it, watched most of the second half live even though it was the middle of the night here. No issues with the ref calls, it seems mostly balanced.
I don't agree. I saw the jersey tug either live or on the first replay. None of the subsequent replays during the game managed to capture it. The DB said he pulled on the jersey. Video online shows it. Still shots show it. If it wasn't called, Chiefs fans would be irate. The refs got that one right, by the rules. The only debate is whether or not there is more of a "play on" approach in playoff and SB game, and is that ok?
But jersey tugs happen on every play. It comes down to the discretion of the official as to how bad it was. And I didn't think it altered the play.
But it wasn't just the jersey tug. He also put his arm around the WRs waist fro a second. They could have called it on either one. The bottom line is, was the receiver impeded? He was, so...holding.
I think people want to look for a controversy.
The only one I didn't agree with was where the ball was secure against his helmet. The other one I could have seen going either way. I think he still barely had his first toe on the turf when he secured it, but it was definitely really close.
One thing I hate about defensive penalties is that most seem to be an automatic first down.
Exactly. If the call on the field had been Incomplete, do you think there would have been enough video evidence to overturn it?
Or come at a time when it the potential to end the game is there and it gives the opposing team one or more tries to win it.
Well, no. I assume that you mean they happen frequently. There are some that are not in a penalty situation, such as making a tackle on a ball carrier trying to get free. Those would be excluded from this discussion. In fact, in might be reasonable to narrow it down to pass coverage only, as that's the subject of this mini-controversy. My guess would be, and it's just a guess, that far fewer than half involve a jersey tug.
On another aspect of this call, it seems that the "uncatchable pass" exception has gone away. Sometimes that's obvious, but I bet they stopped calling that because they don't really know on the borderline cases. I haven't heard a ref declare that there was no interference due to the fact that the pass was not catchable in many years.
I was chatting with a friend about this. Eric Bieniemy has been to three supers bowls winning two, in the last four years, yet has not been hired. The Eagles, losing the SB, have both the OC and DC get hired as HC
Here's the thinking - The Eagles coaches were a major reason in the Eagles turn around. Where as the Chief's success is largely because of Mahomes. Lets think about it a different way. Do you think they Chiefs would have made it to three super bowls (never mind winning two) if Mahomes wasn't at the helm?
KC's success is more because of a gifted athlete and not necessary a product of a system.
True, but any team needs a good QB to win the SB, the Chiefs aren't unique in the regard. But I would think somebody would have given him a shot by now. Like Arizona, who needs someone to guide Kyler Murray - an offensive minded coach. I can't believe Eric B had no influence at all on Mahomes' greatness.