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Huh?

AAahhhh I looked it up. He allegedly took donation money from the high school he was coaching.

Yup.




Dysfunctional is dysfunctional.
 
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John Harbaugh out in Baltimore

This one shocks me, I didn't think he was on the hot seat and while his defense let him down largely, I think his team played as well as they could with the hand that was dealt.

I think Jackson was his undoing, not a typical QB, and I don't think he had a great year - was injured often and that never is a good thing.
I am equally surprised, and also delighted. Harbaugh has been a very effective coach for them. Albeit they have a first class GM in Ozzie Newsome. They have had SB expectations but their QB hasn't gotten them to the promised land and went down for a chunk of the season. Then some of the D got injured and the rest surprisingly folded like a cheap lawn chair. I wonder if a bunch of that was related to morale after Jackson went down.

Fire the coach!

I think Harbaugh will have his pick of jobs, but a couple of those suck (Browns, Raiders) and the others aren't shiny gems either (Arizona, Atlanta). He could relax for a couple years, maybe keep his feet wet with an assistant position with the Chargers and find a better opportunity.
 
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I am equally surprised, and also delighted. Harbaugh has been a very effective coach for them. Albeit they have a first class GM in Ozzie Newsome. They have had SB expectations but their QB hasn't gotten them to the promised land and went down for a chunk of the season. Then some of the D got injured and the rest surprisingly folded like a cheap lawn chair. I wonder if a bunch of that was related to morale after Jackson went down.

Fire the coach!

I think Harbaugh will have his pick of jobs, but a couple of those suck (Browns, Raiders) and the others aren't shiny gems either (Arizona, Atlanta). He could relax for a couple years, maybe keep his feet wet with an assistant position with the Chargers and find a better opportunity.
I want him to go to the Chargers!!
 
I'm no fan of Belichick, his demeanor, however amusing it was at times, nor the general way the franchise comported itself, but he was masterful at being able to support Brady, and a few select skill players, with a cast of mostly anonymous supporting players who did their job and got the results, year after year during their run.
what amazes me about Belichick was he had 2 Rutgers grad. safety and CB on 2 Super Bowl wining teams.
and he cut a RB on a Monday who showed up 5 minutes late to practice
the day after he broke a franchise record in rushing, over 200 yds.
that "was"how to coach!
 
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The Patriots are another example. A generational QB, and an extended run of success with a core of featured players, and enough of a supporting cast to get the job done. I'm no fan of Belichick, his demeanor, however amusing it was at times, nor the general way the franchise comported itself, but he was masterful at being able to support Brady, and a few select skill players, with a cast of mostly anonymous supporting players who did their job and got the results, year after year during their run.
Belichick, as much as I admire his abilities and contributions, was never the roster builder people think. He was an excellent strategist, team manager and in-game coach. But the truth is that Bill Parcels handed him a stacked team and then Scott Pioli was able to evaluate talent and build the roster like few others. I think he was the primary evaluator for the team for many years and deserves a lot of credit for keeping the roster full of underappreciated talent for many seasons even after his departure.
 
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The Patriots are another example. A generational QB, and an extended run of success with a core of featured players, and enough of a supporting cast to get the job done. I'm no fan of Belichick, his demeanor, however amusing it was at times, nor the general way the franchise comported itself, but he was masterful at being able to support Brady, and a few select skill players, with a cast of mostly anonymous supporting players who did their job and got the results, year after year during their run.

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To me the Patriots runs are less about "generational" Brady and more about Belichick and the systems he put in place. There are other QBs that could have led to most if not all of those SBs also (Ben, Rogers and many others). The Brady worshippers often forget that during the first 3 SBs, Brady was a game manager. The Patriots eked out rings in their first dynasty with strong D, mistake free football and a FG at the end of regulation. Under Belichick's control he molded the Patriots into a franchise that could accomplish what it did.

Yes, the Patriots don't get to claim one dynasty for all of the Bill and Tom rings. A dynasty is not comprised of a QB and a HC. To think otherwise in insipid.


I put the Patriots success as primarily due to these 4 factors (these are not ordered):


Belichick the Defensive Coordinator. Belichick is arguably the greatest defensive mastermind of the last few decades. He designed game plans to neutralize an opponents biggest offensive weapon. Teams regularly scored 7-14 points less when playing the Patriots. In the NFL where plenty of games swing on small margins, that is a massive difference.


Belichick the Head Coach. Belichick is a strong and harsh believer in the fundamentals. Players on his team were drilled repeatedly until mistakes were eliminated. Players who freelanced were disabused of that or found themselves on the free market. This means the Patriots were executing at a level at least 30% more efficient than the rest of the league.

One of the interesting facts around Deflategate is that it was labelled as a reason the Patriots didn't fumble as much. Being a Steelers fan I looked at the stats and there was no difference in overall fumbles before and after Deflategate. But there was a consistency. The Patriots were much less likely to fumble the ball then other teams. Fundamentals.


Brady. Brady is an aberration as a draft pick. Periodically in the annual meat market combine, teams forget the fundamentals and game tape and fall in love with players for physical performance. Brady was the opposite, he didn't stand apart, except negatively in a few areas. He wasn't a statuesque QB and that left an impact.


Again, so I wanted to see what there was pre-draft on Brady. That leaves you looking at Michigan. Brady had the misfortune to have had an absolute dipstick as HC in college, Lloyd Carr (He of Michigan-Appalachian State fame). Brady was constantly battling Drew Henson for the starting position through his time at Michigan. He won the starting job in 1997. In 1998 he was platooned with Henson through 7 games, with Brady playing the first quarter, Henson second, and Carr deciding upon a quarterback for the second half. In some cases Brady would be reinserted in the second half when they were down.

In the two seasons Brady started at Michigan, he posted a 20–5 record, including wins at the 1999 Citrus Bowl and 2000 Orange Bowl. Brady finished his career ranking third in Michigan history with 710 attempts and 442 completions, fourth with 5,351 yards and 62 completion percentage, and fifth with 35 touchdown passes.

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So what we have is a successful QB from one of the prime college programs for developing NFL QBs. All that went out the window on draft day due to the combine. There was no logical reason for Brady to have dropped so far given his resume.


Being in the AFC East. Do you know when its easy to get to the playoffs? When the competition in your division is dog poo. With the exception of the Jets for a couple years with the Butt Fumbler at the helm, there was no effective competition in the AFC East for the Patriots.

6 games against your division opponents and the Patriots regularly won 4-6 of them. That 4 might be overly generous.

10 games left (until 2021). Go .500 and you are now Division champion and a 9-11 win team. In some years that is #1 or #2 seed territory. Get above .500 and you are regularly the #1 seed. Its a lot easier to get to the SB when you get to rest and play at home.

If you don't think that the division level of competition is an important factor, go look at the rings the Oilers and Bengals acquired in the 1970s.

Another factor

Belichick as (cut throat) GM. This is pretty close to as important as the previous 4. Bill managed the salary cap by refusing to give overly inflated 2nd or 3rd contracts to stars and would willingly drop them while they were still effective, but just past their prime (Richard Seymour, et. al.). Most importantly, he convinced Brady to take non-record setting contracts for the sake of the team. This allowed him to dabble in the FA market and plug holes as needed.

Later on after a few SB rings were acquired, the Patriots were able to get stars at or near the end of the road to come onboard for peanuts for the opportunity at a ring.

I think his drafting was average to slightly above average overall. He drafted solid guys with solid character and good work ethics. There are obvious exceptions (Hernandez). His 1st round defensive picks were very good. In contrast, his WR picks were often brutal.

Frankly I don't know how much to ascribe to Pioli, but people don't go around praising Pioli's picks during the Patriot SB years. Bill had absolute control. I have no doubt he ceded power in areas he felt he didn't have time or expertise for. I don't know how much was in personnel.

Patriots Draft Picks

If you want to see, the above list is a really nice source.

Notes
The first column group of Att Yds TD Int are for QBs.
The next Att Yds TD are for non-QB passers.
The next Rec Yds TD are for receivers.
Leaving Int Sck for defenders.
 
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So PFT is reporting that 7 teams have called about John Harbaugh. The problem? There's only 6 teams that have fired their coach (excluding the ravens). So one team with a coach has reached out to Harbaugh's representative.

The article lists a bunch of teams, but I think the answer is pretty clear - Miami. Don't forget that Ross tried to get Brady with some dubious tactics. I can see him calling to see if there's any interest while McDaniel's is still on the payroll
 
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So PFT is reporting that 7 teams have called about John Harbaugh. The problem? There's only 6 teams that have fired their coach (excluding the ravens). So one team with a coach has reached out to Harbaugh's representative.

The article lists a bunch of teams, but I think the answer is pretty clear - Miami. Don't forget that Ross tried to get Brady with some dubious tactics. I can see him calling to see if there's any interest while McDaniel's is still on the payroll
He’s allowed to ask about availability, but that’s it.

Still I think Harbaugh is going to the Giants. Who would pick Miami and their QB/Cap situation over the Giants or Falcons.
 
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what amazes me about Belichick was he had 2 Rutgers grad. safety and CB on 2 Super Bowl wining teams.
and he cut a RB on a Monday who showed up 5 minutes late to practice
the day after he broke a franchise record in rushing, over 200 yds.
that "was"how to coach!

Belichick, as much as I admire his abilities and contributions, was never the roster builder people think. He was an excellent strategist, team manager and in-game coach. But the truth is that Bill Parcels handed him a stacked team and then Scott Pioli was able to evaluate talent and build the roster like few others. I think he was the primary evaluator for the team for many years and deserves a lot of credit for keeping the roster full of underappreciated talent for many seasons even after his departure.

To me the Patriots runs are less about "generational" Brady and more about Belichick and the systems he put in place. There are other QBs that could have led to most if not all of those SBs also (Ben, Rogers and many others). The Brady worshippers often forget that during the first 3 SBs, Brady was a game manager. The Patriots eked out rings in their first dynasty with strong D, mistake free football and a FG at the end of regulation. Under Belichick's control he molded the Patriots into a franchise that could accomplish what it did.

Yes, the Patriots don't get to claim one dynasty for all of the Bill and Tom rings. A dynasty is not comprised of a QB and a HC. To think otherwise in insipid.

Not being from NE, I'll concede that my take on the Hoodie and the team is more superficial.

But however he, or they managed to achieve what they did, is still remarkable, when some very talented coaches and players on other franchises haven't even come close, even just once. The common thread among those teams was Belly and Brady, otherwise except for perhaps a handful, a bunch of relatively unknown players who will never sniff the HoF, but did adhere to his philosophy, and did their jobs.

That deserves some respect, if not some admiration, even from those who don't hold the Pollyannaish view that NE's success made them America's Team v2.0.

What next? How about an examination of coaching trees?
 
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What next? How about an examination of coaching trees?

Coaching trees can tell you a lot. A lot about how the HC or organization can spot and encourage development.

NFL Coaching Trees

Belichick has 2 distinct coaching trees.

The insane one from Cleveland where his coaches went on to long college careers (Ferentz, Saban).

The interesting one from NE, where the coaches with rings aren't that successful away from the nest. I put that down to not being able to replicate the entire Belichick program at other places. It also doesn't matter if you are a good coach and work for a dumpster fire of an organization (Cleveland).

Eric Mangini is an interesting and very successful branch of Belichick's tree. He was a hard working ball-boy who caught Belichick eye, promoted to a media position then assistant coaching positions. He held 2 head coaching positions (Jets, Browns), and was coaching up through 2015. No, he wasn't a great HC, but he started as a freaking ball-boy. That is an insane climb in the NFL, exceeded only by Emperor Goofdell, who started as an administrative intern under Al Davis' favorite commissioner, Pete Rozelle.

Great Mangini note from wiki:

Mangini, 35, became the youngest head coach in the NFL when he was hired by the New York Jets on January 17, 2006, to replace Herm Edwards. He beat internal candidates Donnie Henderson, Mike Heimerdinger and Mike Westhoff and external candidates Jim Haslett, Mike Tice, Tim Lewis and Joe Vitt for the job.[9] He was quickly nicknamed "The Penguin" by receiver Laveranues Coles because of his waddle and fierce stare.[10]

The man who never won a ring (Schottenheimer) has an amazing coaching tree, which points to his longevity and strength as a mentor.
 
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I read an article somewhere that said the relationship between Harbaugh and Jackson was not good lately. Jackson was sitting out some practices and generally being a jack—- . The new coach will have a challenge managing his ego.
 
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Looks like McDaniel's is out as the dolphins HC. There were too many rumors about him sticking around, for this to come out. I gotta believe that Ross is looking to court Harbaugh.

Also weird - McDaniel's was part of the GM search for the dolphins - that seemed a bit ill advised, but its water under the damn now.
 
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Looks like McDaniel's is out as the dolphins HC. There were too many rumors about him sticking around, for this to come out. I gotta believe that Ross is looking to court Harbaugh.

Also weird - McDaniel's was part of the GM search for the dolphins - that seemed a bit ill advised, but its water under the damn now.
Yeah it was rumored that Mike McD is the one who stated that. It was pretty clear when the finalists for the GM candidate came out that the guy might not be safe. In fact, they added the Charger’s Assistant GM right into the final interviews…the guy with over 20 years with the Ravens. (His name is Chad Alexander…) Hmmm….

Also, what really makes me happy with this move is it is a clean sweep. GM, HC, and most likely QB all out at the same time. Mike McD won’t be trying to save his job in a tough 2026 season. Everyone can be on the same page about building for the future.
 
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You don't want to go there. The TL;DR answer, BB's coaching tree sucks.😳 Only Bill O'Brien had a winning record.

If he doesn't mind the demotion, I'd love for the Texans to pick him up as OC.
I think he gets a HC job, but if he doesn’t, he will be the Commie’s OC. He is VERY close with Dan Quinn.
 
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I'd love for the Texans to pick him up as OC.

I think he gets a HC job
I'm not sold on him getting another HC gig, at least not in 2026. There's been a number of reports where the players down right didn't respect him, and took advantage of his laid back hands off approach.

As an OC, I think he'll be excellent
 
At 83 years old, Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones still has dreams. "My goal in life is to retire as the owner that won the most Super Bowls," Jones said during an end-of-season news conference Wednesday. "That's my goal. To be retired in the NFL as the owner that won the most Super Bowls."

He's 83. Owners in the NFL don't retire. They sell (rare) or the kids take the keys away and assume control.
 
At 83 years old, Dallas Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones still has dreams. "My goal in life is to retire as the owner that won the most Super Bowls," Jones said during an end-of-season news conference Wednesday. "That's my goal. To be retired in the NFL as the owner that won the most Super Bowls."
Stating the obvious here, but Jerry the owner needs to fire Jerry the GM.😚 The Cowboys could have been the dynasty of the 90's if Jerry had just sit back and let Jimmy run the football side of things.
 
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