Every other team's orders were given and executed within a lap, but Ferrari just keeps waffling... drives me nuts as a tifosi.
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Every other team's orders were given and executed within a lap, but Ferrari just keeps waffling... drives me nuts as a tifosi.
The "pole row" offered much better traction off the line and it really benefitted Oscar, Max and Charles.
Well that was an interesting race, shame it finished like that. Both Max and the team were asleep when they boxed him. Amazing safe by Max to keep the car on the track, shame his move got the spotlight as I think there were two others who deserved the spotlight.
LOL There was nothing yield or we crash about it
Rarely punished? You haven't been watching since 2021 it seems. It has been more often the other way around.
Nice bit of whataboutism 🤣
Especially when they were aware Lewis was driving with a damaged floor from FP2. Ferrari don’t seem to be able to handle a driver with the amount of experience Lewis has and he’s even prompted the team in previous races to order Charles to pass him when he’s been struggling. For me apart from the isolated win here and there, they remind me a lot of Williams. Some amazing success in the past, but something has been missing for over a decade now.
This is why Ferrari need someone like Hamilton in their team because the pit team have lost their edge, they are making silly mistakes which is costing the team. They need to be a lot sharper with their calls and decision making. Indecisions are costing Ferrari and thus it is something they need to get sorted out very quickly.
Use of a weapon to inflict injury, Max used his car as a weapon, he was angry, and used his car in a way that should have attracted a criminal charge. The FIA are cowards, they have no respect for safety, that is so clear from this incident.
10 seconds and 3 point on his licence, says a lot, why 3? Micheal Schumacher was disqualified from the final result as a result of a long history of adverse behavior. What Max did was deliberate, and why the FIA felt only 3 points is a disgrace..
Max should have been charged criminally for his actions, charged for bring the FIA into disrepute, charged for driver misconduct, charged for swearing. But he had no charges.. So next time he has an issue, a rage uncontrolled, and causes a fatal. what then? 3 points, and 10 seconds.. What if this happens in the rain, in Spa? And as result a secondary accident that proves career ending or fatal?
Max needed time out, in the naughty corner, 2 races, 1 for 12 points, that follows a 1 race ban.. He has no interest in either championship, so 2 race rest would do him well, as well as 20 hours of anger management.. I suspect Max suffers from sim rage.. Too much going on in the sims, and he is frustrated at the crappy go kart Daddy Chris bought him.. Maybe he should stay off the sims.. sims or IRL, not both..
10 seconds and 3 point on his licence, says a lot, why 3? Micheal Schumacher was disqualified from the final result as a result of a long history of adverse behavior. What Max did was deliberate, and why the FIA felt only 3 points is a disgrace..
Max should have been charged criminally for his actions, charged for bring the FIA into disrepute, charged for driver misconduct, charged for swearing. But he had no charges.. So next time he has an issue, a rage uncontrolled, and causes a fatal. what then? 3 points, and 10 seconds.. What if this happens in the rain, in Spa? And as result a secondary accident that proves career ending or fatal?
Max needed time out, in the naughty corner, 2 races, 1 for 12 points, that follows a 1 race ban.. He has no interest in either championship, so 2 race rest would do him well, as well as 20 hours of anger management.. I suspect Max suffers from sim rage.. Too much going on in the sims, and he is frustrated at the crappy go kart Daddy Chris bought him.. Maybe he should stay off the sims.. sims or IRL, not both..
You're not wrong by any stretch.
Maybe because they don't consider Max a title contender, yes even this early in the season, they let him off easy?
I mean very clearly, it's between Piastri and Norris... at least for a couple of more races before Oscar runs completely away with it.
2025 WDC
I bet you Hadjar is on the BIG team by the end of the next two races if not before.
You are very right. Unfortunately this type of weak punishment is played out in many different situations in life, the person thinks they have got away with it thus not learning their lesson and then they go onto to do something much much worse. Is this is what is going to happen to Max? he is going to keep on being given weak punishment which will lead him to do something bad because that is human behavior, people steal sweets or other very low value items and when gone unpunished they go on to steal much much more. Same with people that hurt small animals, the are not punished severe enough and they go on to hurt bigger and bigger animals resulting in going on to hurt other humans.
So, like I said, it's human behavior, not being punished hard enough the person thinks they have got away with it only for them to do it again and again because they know the punishment will be weak. Only time will tell with Max.
I get your point but I’m not sure the animal analogy quite works. Killing a kitten isn’t better than killing a deer!
Max will always be who he is. A sudden rush of blood and bang he swipes a car. He’s not going to modify his behaviour. He also knows he has nothing to lose as he’s not going to win the title this year. So hopefully he gets a couple more points and a race ban. But I think that’s not going to happen.
The analogy is people start off small and when they are not properly punished for it they start to get more brazen and do things bigger and bigger and bigger each time till it gets to the point where something majorly bad happens.
Another analogy would be drivers that use mobile phones whilst driving, they start of small, a quick look at the phone here and there, then they increase it a little by looking at text messages causing the driver to swerve the car a bit. Then they increase it further by looking at webpages and they nearly knock someone over. They increase it a bit more where they are engaging in a text messages with someone, the run a red light and smack into a pedestrian killing them.
That is the analogy I am trying to portray here, if Max's behavior is not reigned in he is going to do something bad.
The point is, escalation occurs in the absence of a force to curb behaviour..We saw this with Micheal Schumacher, he pushed and found there was a boundary, and that led to his expulsion from the year's results, he got to keep the wins, but...
The issue is not Max, he is a symptom of a failed system of leadership within the FIA, Max pushes as he is "bred" that way, and that is great, and more power to him for it, it is what the sport needs, we need and demand a strong villain, I have said this a number of times, and it is great we have this, but this requires a great antidote to prevent tragic outcomes...
The FIA want the drama, it feeds the machine, but that machine needs controls, a device to prevent runaway, we call this in F1 "Stewards" they are selected it should be on merit of being able to be brave, to make the tough calls, to be ruthless in the quest for a safe sport, Motorsport is dangerous, it is not fatal, but is is on the very edge of...
So when a driver takes his rage out on a competitor like he did, the "Stewards" should be ruthless to the point of a life ban, then let the system reduce that in the cold halls of justice.. Years ago, there was a karting driver who had road rage and stood trackside and through his kart's bumper at the offender he was angry with, and for that he copped a life ban.. The same with the muppet that squeezed the brake of a rider during a race, a life ban, 1 moment of madness..
Just because there was no real consequence to the Verstappen incident should not be a factor in mitigation, his intent should be judged on it's own merit, for what it was, assault, criminal level, driver misconduct..
The "Stewards" should also be charged, they are paid a professional fee, and should be subject to the same level of scrutiny, it is on them to ensure safety is observed, and if they choose a weak action against a driver that later kills a competitor, will there be come-back on the "Stewards"???
The issue is not Max, he is a symptom of a failed system of leadership within the FIA, Max pushes as he is "bred" that way, and that is great, and more power to him for it, it is what the sport needs, we need and demand a strong villain, I have said this a number of times, and it is great we have this, but this requires a great antidote to prevent tragic outcomes...
The FIA want the drama, it feeds the machine, but that machine needs controls, a device to prevent runaway, we call this in F1 "Stewards" they are selected it should be on merit of being able to be brave, to make the tough calls, to be ruthless in the quest for a safe sport, Motorsport is dangerous, it is not fatal, but is is on the very edge of...
So when a driver takes his rage out on a competitor like he did, the "Stewards" should be ruthless to the point of a life ban, then let the system reduce that in the cold halls of justice.. Years ago, there was a karting driver who had road rage and stood trackside and through his kart's bumper at the offender he was angry with, and for that he copped a life ban.. The same with the muppet that squeezed the brake of a rider during a race, a life ban, 1 moment of madness..
Just because there was no real consequence to the Verstappen incident should not be a factor in mitigation, his intent should be judged on it's own merit, for what it was, assault, criminal level, driver misconduct..
The "Stewards" should also be charged, they are paid a professional fee, and should be subject to the same level of scrutiny, it is on them to ensure safety is observed, and if they choose a weak action against a driver that later kills a competitor, will there be come-back on the "Stewards"???
When Vettel deliberately banged wheels with Hamilton in Baku, he was given a 10 second stop-and-go. If there were more laps available, I could see the stewards doing the same with Max, but there were not, so 10 seconds post-race was what they had to work with.
And let us remember this is what it was - banging wheels. This is not Schumacher putting himself and Hill into the wall in Adelaide to secure his first WDC or trying to do the same to Villeneuve in Jerez to secure another. Nor was it Senna plowing into Prost at Suzuka (not once, but twice) to win (and lose) a WDC.
Max had a bad day and this was the final straw (and then comes word that the stewards would have let him keep the position) and the red mist descended. This does not excuse his actions, but I think some are being a bit hyperbolic in their condemnation.
And let us remember this is what it was - banging wheels. This is not Schumacher putting himself and Hill into the wall in Adelaide to secure his first WDC or trying to do the same to Villeneuve in Jerez to secure another. Nor was it Senna plowing into Prost at Suzuka (not once, but twice) to win (and lose) a WDC.
Max had a bad day and this was the final straw (and then comes word that the stewards would have let him keep the position) and the red mist descended. This does not excuse his actions, but I think some are being a bit hyperbolic in their condemnation.
Red Bull totally lost the plot! Max did NOT have to give that position back, they gave him crap tyres for NO reason really, and he just saw red and rams Russell, what a mess of a team… LeClerc kinda drifted into Max with that first touch, then George hits Max on the second one trying his luck round the corner, and as said Max sees red then being told to give the position basic for no reason.
They are VERY VERY VERY lucky he isn’t black flagged, I suspect the only reason he wan’t is due to the way LeClerc and Russell behaved previously to Max ramming George.
RB will be lucky to finish fifth at this rate this year.
Personally I would give LeClerc and Russell 10 second penalties each and then black flagged Max.
They are VERY VERY VERY lucky he isn’t black flagged, I suspect the only reason he wan’t is due to the way LeClerc and Russell behaved previously to Max ramming George.
RB will be lucky to finish fifth at this rate this year.
Personally I would give LeClerc and Russell 10 second penalties each and then black flagged Max.
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Criminal charge… oh dear, you should have watched the days of Mansell, Senna, Schumacher. Ramming your way through was the name of the game in some cases back then, with no where near the safety kit and designs they now have!
Been there; done that! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Race_of_Champions
wow!I feel like Lando struggles here... I could be wrong, but I'm Not interested enough to do the research.
Piastri will win. Max 2nd. Lando 3rd is he finishes...
Sainz will rue the day he signed with Williams... yet again.
not too far off...
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Well you learn something every day. I've never come across it as a statutory label. Humour me, can you link to that definition in the civil law system, or common law system? Or any, I'm happy to learn. Cheers...
Barcelona has been given a one year extension, so there will be two Grands Prix held in Spain for 2026. This is believed to be a "safety plan" in case Madrid is not ready in time.
Also, Pirelli have announced that for the Belgian Grand Prix they will bring the C1 (Hard), C3 (Medium) and C4 (Soft) compounds. If this is successful, they will considering doing the same for another race in the back half of the season.
Also, Pirelli have announced that for the Belgian Grand Prix they will bring the C1 (Hard), C3 (Medium) and C4 (Soft) compounds. If this is successful, they will considering doing the same for another race in the back half of the season.
C1 C3 C4 for Spa? Bring 12 sets of wets, and a shed load of crying towels.. Spa is always wet, kind of like Monaco is always a parking lot of very expensive mobile server racks.. Not sure why Pirelli thinks it is going to need dry tyres.. But we can hope for a dry race...
According to the long term forecast, 27 07 2025 thundershowers at Spa.. Will we get a full race?? Or is the color red, and I don't mean for the Donkey Farce Team.. Sorry Donkey Race team..
According to the long term forecast, 27 07 2025 thundershowers at Spa.. Will we get a full race?? Or is the color red, and I don't mean for the Donkey Farce Team.. Sorry Donkey Race team..
Just in case anyone hasn’t watched the Spanish GP yet. I like this summary. 🤣🤣
Interesting take on the farce of Spain.. No question it will linger in the memory, kind of like how we don't really care who won in Abu Dhabi 2021, but we remember the comments of a certain German, and what crimes were committed..
It was widely accepted that Prost caused the collision in ‘89 at Suzuka by turning in several metres too early to prevent Senna going up the inside under braking. It’s clear when the previous lap corner entries were analysed. In ‘90, the blame lay firmly on Ayrton even if FISA were making decisions to favour Alain.
That’s how I recall it. Tit for tat as they say.