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A very silly move by Oscar and he was lucky I agree. Still finished second though which is a bonus for him, even if Lando is the one smiling after winning his home race.

Their dynamic will be interesting to watch here on out. Oscar feels this win was taken away by the stewards. Pretty defensive in the post race. Nothing against Lando, but I don’t see him getting past Oscar without the reckless behavior. I’d have thought Oscar would have been more conciliatory towards his behavior?
 
Good result for Lando in the hunt for the drivers WC. Did that influence the stewards decision?
Oscar is mad at the penalty and will feel robbed.
Nico is such an underrated driver. Never had a decent car. So glad he finally gets his podium (even though I’d have liked to see Lewis continue his podium run at home).
Max made the wrong choice with that wing. In a dry race I’m sure he’d have got the win or podium. But with no grip he was struggling all day.

Silverstone delivered as always.
Maybe he’d heard the news about climate change too.😉
 
Their dynamic will be interesting to watch here on out. Oscar feels this win was taken away by the stewards. Pretty defensive in the post race. Nothing against Lando, but I don’t see him getting past Oscar without the reckless behavior. I’d have thought Oscar would have been more conciliatory towards his behavior?

I’m sure Oscar’s opinion will soften after the event. Once he sees what everyone else did on tv and the adrenaline isn’t pumping.
 
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PastiePies was totally wrong, really that is about as bad as what Bearman did in the pitlane, both should have been a rest next race.. That was stupid to the power of stupid squared..
 
Seeing the social media about Hulk's 3rd, you would have thought he just win his 1st title, wow, Mercs sending champers, everyone in Hulks's team garage is so excited, this is better than a win as far as I am concerned..
 
Still learning? Gee what is this, a school? No he is a professional with a super licence, he should have copped at minimum a 1 race ban, better 3 race ban and 12 points on his licence..
 
That is some slow down! In the rain and it’s poor visibility. He was VERY lucky not to have caused a crash, he seemed to forget F1 cars do not have brake lights… He threw that race win away with a very stupid pointless move, perhaps it also shows he is still learning?
Yup and I want to say he did that move more than once.
 
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The Race Director should have red flagged the race for 20/30 minutes instead of the stupid parade we had, F1 requires courage and that idiot lacks any sort of courage... A brilliant race ruined by incompetence, we say useless race direction in F2.. F1 requires thinking ahead.. There was nothing to be gained driving at stupid speeds in conditions that were clearly unsafe.
 
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The Race Director should have red flagged the race for 20/30 minutes instead of the stupid parade we had, F1 requires courage and that idiot lacks any sort of courage... A brilliant race ruined by incompetence, we say useless race direction in F2.. F1 requires thinking ahead.. There was nothing to be gained driving at stupid speeds in conditions that were clearly unsafe.
It couldn't have hurt.
 
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He has 2 options, it is only ever 2 options, 1-do nothing, 2-do something.. He always chooses option 1.. Do nothing, as it has fewer risks, but does it? In this case, the choice was obvious.. Not helped by the useless commentary team that backed up the decision.. Keep racing as it lifts the water? We all could see the wisdom of that.. It was insane to ask drivers to keep going when it was nigh impossible to see..

What if there was a fatal accident? Oh sorry, and a day's wage lost for the race director? But we all know the FIA hates safety.. They will always do the worst decision, put lives at risk for what? They did that in the F2 race.. Had marshalls running on the track in front of the cars.. under a VSC.. stupid...

There cannot be any justifying the decision to keep the safety car on as long as they did, when a 30 minute red flag would have done 3 things, calmed everyone done, allowed the weather to clear, and 3rd, as a result we would have had a better track for the last 20 laps of the race.. Maybe everyone on "dry" tyres??? There was no reason to not red flag..

Red flags should be used in cases when it is the better option.. this was the better option..

More than anything, it creates a precedent, a standard by with to assess whether to use Red Flags or a safety car.. But now there is confusion, a race result that is somewhat tainted by PastryPies, that would not have occurred as it would have been a restart from the grid..

Would love to know why the FIA uses folks that lack courage under fire??
 
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That is some slow down! In the rain and it’s poor visibility. He was VERY lucky not to have caused a crash, he seemed to forget F1 cars do not have brake lights… He threw that race win away with a very stupid pointless move, perhaps it also shows he is still learning?
He did the same thing on a previous lap under the SC at Chapel chicane, but the stewards let it go due the lights still being on. It seems Oscar applied the brakes at the point the lights went out at the end of Hangar Straight and the second time the stewards felt it was worth a look. It did appear to be dangerous, but there seems to be blurred lines over when it is acceptable to aggressively control the pace under SC conditions. I think the FIA need to review it and make it clear what is acceptable.
 
This one didn't age well...
🤣 No future in weather forecasting for me. I also got rained on, luckily I didn't have to go far to get inside.

Just watched the race. That's at least the third good Silverstone race in a row, all the tracks should be this good.
Great to see Hulkenburg, get some luck to go with his skill. Compared to Lance Stroll who just slipped back and back as the track dried.
 
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The track was not draining, so even a 30-minute Red Flag probably would have done nothing to dry the track sufficiently.

The real issue is the Full Wets being so slow that no team or driver wants to run them even if they are the correct choice for the conditions.

Honestly, what FOM and FIA should do is when the weather turns monsoonish, throw the Red Flag until the storm passes, then require all cars to be on Full Wets and they do laps behind the Safety Car with large gaps to the car ahead so everyone can see and anyone who spins doesn't take anyone else out until the track is in a position for Inters. Then everyone comes in, slaps on fresh Inters, forms up behind the SC, and the race is resumed.
 
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He did the same thing on a previous lap under the SC at Chapel chicane, but the stewards let it go due the lights still being on. It seems Oscar applied the brakes at the point the lights went out at the end of Hangar Straight and the second time the stewards felt it was worth a look. It did appear to be dangerous, but there seems to be blurred lines over when it is acceptable to aggressively control the pace under SC conditions. I think the FIA need to review it and make it clear what is acceptable.

Agree with that, but common sense should tell you to not do that when it is raining and visibility is poor. However we all know how confusing FIA rules are...
 
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The track was not draining, so even a 30-minute Red Flag probably would have done nothing to dry the track sufficiently.

The real issue is the Full Wets being so slow that no team or driver wants to run them even if they are the correct choice for the conditions.

Honestly, what FOM and FIA should do is when the weather turns monsoonish, throw the Red Flag until the storm passes, then require all cars to be on Full Wets and they do laps behind the Safety Car with large gaps to the car ahead so everyone can see and anyone who spins doesn't take anyone else out until the track is in a position for Inters. Then everyone comes in, slaps on fresh Inters, forms up behind the SC, and the race is resumed.

I don’t know why we need to go through all that when yesterday was fine.
A red flag penalises cars that have made pits already and drivers who have made up places already.
Wet races in open wheel cars are always going to add risk but I feel yesterday was on the good side of risk.
 
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it is a race, and sometimes you either ace it in the lucky packet toys, or you get nothing.. But a red flag would have done 2 things, brought time to allow the weather to sort it's self out, and 2nd we would have finished a bit later in the day, had a better track for the last 20 laps..

More than anything, it would have prevented a fatal accident.. We should be mindful of how fast fast is for F1, and we saw clear evidence of how bad it was, and in this era of cost caps and budgets, do we want to spend millions of Dollars on repairs when for $0.00 we could have sat in the pit lane, having hot chocolate??

What about Spa? Silverstone should have been a dress rehearsal for Spa.. What conditions do we set the "go/no go" parameters? F1 should be risk adverse, it should always be "RED FLAG" unless conditions are.... Not wait until 6 laps and a fatal...

Think ahead, be scared of.. A red flag costs nothing, sure it pisses people off, but imagine a fatal, and we have seen this movie before.. twice in the rain.. and yet FIA insist on forcing a situation into a insanity.. And for what???
 
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I don’t know why we need to go through all that when yesterday was fine.
A red flag penalises cars that have made pits already and drivers who have made up places already.
Wet races in open wheel cars are always going to add risk but I feel yesterday was on the good side of risk.

Agreed. Risk Analysis is always based on the eyes of the beholder.
 
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Agree with that, but common sense should tell you to not do that when it is raining and visibility is poor. However we all know how confusing FIA rules are...
Yeah definitely. When I saw the onboards from drivers further back, like Hulkenberg, you realise just how extreme the deceleration was and nearly causes a few shunts.
 
The track was not draining, so even a 30-minute Red Flag probably would have done nothing to dry the track sufficiently.

The real issue is the Full Wets being so slow that no team or driver wants to run them even if they are the correct choice for the conditions.

Honestly, what FOM and FIA should do is when the weather turns monsoonish, throw the Red Flag until the storm passes, then require all cars to be on Full Wets and they do laps behind the Safety Car with large gaps to the car ahead so everyone can see and anyone who spins doesn't take anyone else out until the track is in a position for Inters. Then everyone comes in, slaps on fresh Inters, forms up behind the SC, and the race is resumed.

If the rednecks in NASCAR can afford multiple jet dryers for each track, then F1 certain can afford them. Especially since they don't have to get it as dry as they do for NASCAR.
 
"I don’t know why we need to go through all that when yesterday was fine.
A red flag penalises cars that have made pits already and drivers who have made up places already.
Wet races in open wheel cars are always going to add risk but I feel yesterday was on the good side of risk."

The conditions were unsafe, end of discussion.. There is a margin of safety and we should all be respectful of how quickly it can go from fun and exciting to tragic..

My argument is that race directors it is very obvious have taken a "only valid for today" point of view without thinking about the long term consequences, we need to think ahead of other venues, Spa, Canada, Japan, where rain is a huge issue, how do we balance racing and red flag for safety..

The 2025 British Grand Prix was best case scenario for use of a 30 minute red flag, sure some drivers will benefit, others less so.. We can only look at Canada 2011, and how Mr J Button Esq [GOAT] both benefited and was somewhat given a raw deal in the race, but he did not finish where he did because of the red flag...

Red Flags stop on track accidents that occur as a result of aqua-planing, having a 6 to 10 lap parade does not achieve any useful racing, it creates issues, mistakes occur, accidents occur...

I concede that Sunday could have gone Spa 2021, race, rain, red flag, go home..Or it could have gone race red flag, race, flag, winner chicken dinner..

Had there been a red flag, we waited 30/45 minutes, the sun comes out, drying track, 10 laps, softs, maybe Hulk would have 2nd... We will of course never know, but there was no risk to waiting 30/45 minutes, getting hot choc high's from the sugar.. We had a red flag in 2011 in Canada, and that was by far the best race in F1 history.. No question.

We don't want stupid fatal accidents from nervous race directors, from the FIA lacking any ability to make a decision.. Sure yes some will be pissy about a red flag, but they are few compared to the hordes of pissed off lawyers if there is a fatal, racing and rain is dangerous, and there is a point where maybe it should really be a red flag..

If you set a hot dry lap time, and then it rains, and you are X seconds behind, this is your new wet delta time, and if you then during the race are Y seconds slower as a result of wet track, almost to the point of monsoon, at that point, maybe a red flag.. I hate red flags, I want racing, I don't want anyone ever to edit a damned obit piece..They suck, I have done too many obits and I hate doing them.. Really ruins the mood...

We had 2 fatal accidents in F1 in the more recent past, ok, F1 weekends, Jules Bianchi and Antoine Hubert, as a result rules and procedures are changed, but even so, we see less and less observance of the new rules.. Marshalls taking risks, yellow flags left on, when it should be a safety car, or worse a VSC instead of a safety car...

Sliverstone 2025 there was a point at which maybe monsoon tyres, and at that point, really what is gained? The risk is way too high for the meager reward, RED FLAG, wait, life is exactly that, sometimes you call it right, other times you just end up busted..

RED FLAGS benefit every team, some sure have small gains, other even more, the fact is, not red flagging the GP was a mistake, and only luck saved the drivers, maybe one day, they will admit that maybe yes, a red was correct..

What I cannot accept is any argument that says a red is bad, how can that be? Bad in what way? Worse than a 10 lap stupid parade that sees 3 to 5 cars in the hedge, a driver in hospital? A cancelled race as it takes too long to repair the barrier back to homolgation? That is better than a 45 min red flag???
 
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The start of rhe end for Red Bull Racing?

Christian Horner Sacked!


Horner has been a pivotable figure in building Red Bull Racing into what it is today. With pressure on Fred at Ferrari, could the Scuderia be in talks with Christian in the near future?
 
Oh, did not expect this until at least the last race.. Now that daddy Chris is ex dad, does this mean Minimum is now a former red bull and recently signed driver for Merc???
 
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