Tangled with Stroll at the opening and there appears to have been an issue with his Pit Lane Speed limiter so he was tagged for speeding in both of his pit stops - the second one being so egregious he was given a Drive Through penalty.
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Tangled with Stroll at the opening and there appears to have been an issue with his Pit Lane Speed limiter so he was tagged for speeding in both of his pit stops - the second one being so egregious he was given a Drive Through penalty.
Good result for Lando, untouchable the front. There’s a proper title fight still.
The race was ruined for me with the Lewis Hamilton penalty. I really don’t know what the FIA are doing and clearly can’t manage this rule fairly. If drivers are leaving the circuit and gaining an advantage, penalties need to apply to all drivers, not just the one the FIA don’t like. Charles and Max also gained advantages from leaving the circuit and nothing. As impressive as Max’s driver was after then, he shouldn’t have escaped a 10 second penalty. Besides that, Lewis drove well and he was easily my driver of the day. Good to see him back fighting and showing he can still put his elbows out like the others, he deserved to be much further up the field. The FIA are once again a disgrace for their incompetence.
The race was ruined for me with the Lewis Hamilton penalty. I really don’t know what the FIA are doing and clearly can’t manage this rule fairly. If drivers are leaving the circuit and gaining an advantage, penalties need to apply to all drivers, not just the one the FIA don’t like. Charles and Max also gained advantages from leaving the circuit and nothing. As impressive as Max’s driver was after then, he shouldn’t have escaped a 10 second penalty. Besides that, Lewis drove well and he was easily my driver of the day. Good to see him back fighting and showing he can still put his elbows out like the others, he deserved to be much further up the field. The FIA are once again a disgrace for their incompetence.
In a post-race interview, Stella noted that Lando's driving style works best for low-grip circuits like Austin and Mexico City, whereas Oscar's forte is on high-grip circuits.
Of the "Final Four" circuits, Las Vegas is considered "low grip" with Interlagos, Lusail and Yas Marina being "high grip". Though with rain evidently expected at Brazil, it would be a "low grip" circuit, as well.
Of the "Final Four" circuits, Las Vegas is considered "low grip" with Interlagos, Lusail and Yas Marina being "high grip". Though with rain evidently expected at Brazil, it would be a "low grip" circuit, as well.
I did read that earlier in the season Lando complained of a lack of grip at the front end and McLaren had been working on an update. Both drivers were given the update and Oscar didn't get on so well with it and opted to revert to the previous setup. Might explain part of the reason Lando had gained a bit of confidence too. Mexico wasn't a huge surprise in regards to Lando being quicker I don't think, he drove very well there last season. Its not a circuit that aids much overtaking either, so Oscar did very well considering his poor qualifying.In a post-race interview, Stella noted that Lando's driving style works best for low-grip circuits like Austin and Mexico City, whereas Oscar's forte is on high-grip circuits.
Of the "Final Four" circuits, Las Vegas is considered "low grip" with Interlagos, Lusail and Yas Marina being "high grip". Though with rain evidently expected at Brazil, it would be a "low grip" circuit, as well.
So now that Oscar has caused his own incident at Austin, Lando's internal team "consequences" were rescinded at Mexico City and Oscar now loses the internal team advantage handed to him post-Singapore (believed to be related to Q3 qualifying position).
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McLaren drops Norris 'consequences' after Piastri clash review
McLaren will no longer impose a minor sporting penalty on Lando Norris for the remainder of the season after reviewing the crash caused by Oscar Piastri in the sprint race at the United States Grand Prix
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So now that Oscar has caused his own incident at Austin, Lando's internal team "consequences" were rescinded at Mexico City and Oscar now loses the internal team advantage handed to him post-Singapore (believed to be related to Q3 qualifying position).
McLaren drops Norris 'consequences' after Piastri clash review
McLaren will no longer impose a minor sporting penalty on Lando Norris for the remainder of the season after reviewing the crash caused by Oscar Piastri in the sprint race at the United States Grand Prix
Papaya Rules have always been a reliable source of entertainment this season.
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out one car is tweaked to be better than the other.
If they get found out to be deliberately doing that, they should lose the 2025 constructors championship, all drivers championship points and be banned completely for 2026 as well.
With a warning to any other teams that this will be the fate for them if they do the same.
With a warning to any other teams that this will be the fate for them if they do the same.
So all of RBR championships will become void as well? They have rarely given both drivers the same package.
So I could not understand why Lewis was the only driver to receive a penalty. Plenty of other drivers left the track and gained an advantage.
Personally I think Max got away with it because they want a close championship. Gives us all something to watch for for the rest of the season.
Sadly I think those silly sprints will give Max the title.
Great drive by Lando. He did everything right. I did feel for Bearman. As great as a 4th was, it was so nearly a podium finish. I’m sure he’ll get a better drive and podiums if he continues to drive like that! Plus let’s be honest he doesn’t look old enough for champagne!
Personally I think Max got away with it because they want a close championship. Gives us all something to watch for for the rest of the season.
Sadly I think those silly sprints will give Max the title.
Great drive by Lando. He did everything right. I did feel for Bearman. As great as a 4th was, it was so nearly a podium finish. I’m sure he’ll get a better drive and podiums if he continues to drive like that! Plus let’s be honest he doesn’t look old enough for champagne!
Indeed, no two cars are setup the same and largely due to no two drivers having the same setup preferences. The McLaren drivers also won't be sharing setup data with each other now at this point in the season as the battle is on and two sides of the garage are competing against one another. There were races this season where Oscar was clearly more comfortable than Lando and winning, yet I don't remember talk here about McLaren favouring Oscar? Although I did see it discussed on another forum, claiming Lando was being pushed out so that Zak could swap him with Verstappen at one point lol. I was a lot more impressed with Oscar earlier in the season and claimed here I thought he was perhaps the better driver. I do think this sort of situation will make or break a driver as the pressure is difficult to manage. Lando has upped his game in recent months and its typical really, as now he's performing well, the accusations of team favouritism creep in. Lewis had it all through his career at Mercedes too. Red Bull have obviously made no secret of the fact they favour a driver and did this with Vettel, Ricciardo and Verstappen, albeit the right decisions perhaps due to the return they got.
I think McLaren are doing the right thing and letting them race. I have no doubt Oscar will win again this season and one thing is for sure, it'll be tight. For Verstappen to win, I think there would have to be a McLaren DNF or something to go very wrong with their strategy.
Having seen the analysis comparing qualifying onboards or Lando vs Oscar, it looks like Lando took more curb in several of the corners and got a much quicker exit, whereas Oscar was more conservative, yet compromised his exits. Oscar appeared to be later braking into most of the corners and was faster through turn one.
Its looking like Lando was simply the quicker driver in Mexico and it was predicted this circuit suited him. I think there is still races left where Oscar will be faster TBH.
Its looking like Lando was simply the quicker driver in Mexico and it was predicted this circuit suited him. I think there is still races left where Oscar will be faster TBH.
Oscar is running an older front suspension than Lando. However, that is due to Oscar asking to be reverted because he was more comfortable with the older spec.
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Historically, Lando tends to be quicker on low grip circuits. Oscar on high grip. Qatar and Abu Dhabi are the remaining high grip circuits.
Aston Martin have confirmed Jak Crawford will replace Felipe Drugovich as their reserve driver, so that is one less place for Yuki Tsunoda to end up if he is released from the Red Bull family.
Speaking of the Red Bull and Racing Bulls 2026 lineups, it seems like teams management do not want to wait until Abu Dhabi to make an announcement, but that effectively means they need to make the decision between the São Paulo and Las Vegas Grands Prix because the last three Grands Prix are a triple-header.
My current belief is that unless Yuki qualifies in the Top 5 and makes the podium at São Paulo, he will be replaced by Isack Hadjar for 2026. However, I do think that Yuki will be sent back down to Racing Bulls to partner Arvid Lindblad and Liam Lawson will become the reserve driver for Red Bull with Ayumu Iwasa staying as the reserve driver for Racing Bulls.
Speaking of the Red Bull and Racing Bulls 2026 lineups, it seems like teams management do not want to wait until Abu Dhabi to make an announcement, but that effectively means they need to make the decision between the São Paulo and Las Vegas Grands Prix because the last three Grands Prix are a triple-header.
My current belief is that unless Yuki qualifies in the Top 5 and makes the podium at São Paulo, he will be replaced by Isack Hadjar for 2026. However, I do think that Yuki will be sent back down to Racing Bulls to partner Arvid Lindblad and Liam Lawson will become the reserve driver for Red Bull with Ayumu Iwasa staying as the reserve driver for Racing Bulls.
Day one of Felipe Massa’s case to claim damages for 2008 seem to have ended badly when the FIA’s defence pointed out that it was ‘torturous as it was overly ambitious’ and ‘conspicuously overlooks a catalogue of his own errors throughout the 2008 season’.
It makes you wonder if Felipes lawyers actually researched the 2008 season to determine whether Singapore was the sole reason he wasn’t champion, or simply took his money and hoped for the best.
For him to win, he’ll need an admission from the FIA that he is the rightful champion in their view, which is not only untrue, but highly unlikely. He’ll perhaps be bankrupt in the coming years.
It makes you wonder if Felipes lawyers actually researched the 2008 season to determine whether Singapore was the sole reason he wasn’t champion, or simply took his money and hoped for the best.
For him to win, he’ll need an admission from the FIA that he is the rightful champion in their view, which is not only untrue, but highly unlikely. He’ll perhaps be bankrupt in the coming years.
I don’t even see what he hopes to gain. If he was awarded the 2008 title now it would forever be remembered as a title he didn’t really win.
Like a certain other title fight that was basically decided by an unlawful (imo) decision by a race director. But we won’t drag that up again!
I don't think he expects to be awarded the championship officially, as I think its pretty much set in stone that titles can't be re-awarded hours, let alone 17 years after they were decided. I think he wants the FIA to admit he was the 2008 champion, and then pay him compensation of around $80m. The FIA are happy they punished the relevant parties for Singapore 2008 when it was settled in 2009, so the chapter is pretty much closed. It seems a lot of people who were approached to be witnesses in the case have simply declined to attend.
I don't think anybody wants to see Championships stripped and re-warded after the event. As much as we can look back and talk about who was unlucky, what is done is done. Felipe perhaps has one of the weakest claims in this regard, as it relies on so many incidents and his mistakes being completely ruled out.
Massa's 2008 and the 2021 season have the same issue, who is the "rightful" champion... What is missed in the discussion, is that you cannot point to 1 event and say that is why I lost the title, in both 2008 and 2021, both titles were within 10 points, 1 for 2008, 8 for 2021..
As much as I like Massa, he has no case, none, and why it got this far is a farce, he has only himself to blame for not being the winner, Spain he finished 2nd, had he won, winner 2008 WDC, same with Lewis in 2021, Baku cost his title..
So can someone please explain how 2021 there was no case in court, yet 2008 there is, when in the 1st 5 races of 2008, it was all over for Felipe Massa's title, a couple of DNF's and a 2nd...Points matter, and if you DNF, or come 2nd or worse, those will hurt over a season.. It is a season, not a single event... Am I missing the argument??
Sure Bernie said something, maybe the final result in Abu Dhabi in 2021 was sus, but that cannot overcome the results of Spain Portugal Bahrain Baku for Lewis in 2021.. I don't get it.. What is Massa relying on?
As much as I like Massa, he has no case, none, and why it got this far is a farce, he has only himself to blame for not being the winner, Spain he finished 2nd, had he won, winner 2008 WDC, same with Lewis in 2021, Baku cost his title..
So can someone please explain how 2021 there was no case in court, yet 2008 there is, when in the 1st 5 races of 2008, it was all over for Felipe Massa's title, a couple of DNF's and a 2nd...Points matter, and if you DNF, or come 2nd or worse, those will hurt over a season.. It is a season, not a single event... Am I missing the argument??
Sure Bernie said something, maybe the final result in Abu Dhabi in 2021 was sus, but that cannot overcome the results of Spain Portugal Bahrain Baku for Lewis in 2021.. I don't get it.. What is Massa relying on?
2008 was decided on the race track, that’s the major difference. All the controversial stewarding decisions that year were at the detriment of McLaren and Mosleys feud with Dennis and Ferrari and Massa benefitted very well from it to allow Felipe to be very close to the title.
Neither of those seasons were based around all the events prior to the final race and both depended on the finishing positions of both drivers. Singapore disadvantaged Hamilton and Massa and that was what was put across in court this week.
What? I am at a loss, what are you saying? So Lewis put his ride in the hedge in Baku, this cost points, and let me remind you, at the end of the season, he who has the most points, gets the win.. Lewis like Massa in 2008, had fewer points, and thus were sadly not able to win the season's prize...
So really what happens at the last race is pretty pointless, you have to factor the whole season, or rather we scrap points, and only have points for the last race of the season, and only the winner gets points..1 for a win, 2nd no points!!
So really what happens at the last race is pretty pointless, you have to factor the whole season, or rather we scrap points, and only have points for the last race of the season, and only the winner gets points..1 for a win, 2nd no points!!
Spain 2008. Massa 2nd, Lewis 3rd, some random dude won... Matters not who won. Back then 10 8 6...for 1st 2nd 3rd...
So if Massa in Spain in 2008 had won the race, and all other results remain unaffected, Massa 2nd to 1st, Lewis 3rd.. Massa would have won by 1 point1, 99, Lewis 98... Regardless of the result of the rest of the season... So how events later is a factor?? Not sure I understand.... Same in 2021, Had Lewis not boiled his brakes, and finished 5th or better, WDC would have been his.. So how that factors into Adu Dhabi??
So if Massa in Spain in 2008 had won the race, and all other results remain unaffected, Massa 2nd to 1st, Lewis 3rd.. Massa would have won by 1 point1, 99, Lewis 98... Regardless of the result of the rest of the season... So how events later is a factor?? Not sure I understand.... Same in 2021, Had Lewis not boiled his brakes, and finished 5th or better, WDC would have been his.. So how that factors into Adu Dhabi??