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Do they count people who have multiple Apple TV units as just one person or do they count them each as a customer. I own three Apple TVs, one for each TV in my house.
 
I think this data is highly suspect. The majority of people I know would incorrectly answer this question.

“Do I have a HomePod? Hmmm.... yeah I think my wife bought one of those a few years back” (it was actually an iPod, or an Echo, or a Google Home)
 
I think these (surprising) results may be explained by the very different natures (individual vs group) of the devices. In a family of five people where there is one Apple TV for the family television and one person owns AirPods, a survey sent to each person could very easily conclude that there are five Apple customers using an Apple TV and one using AirPods. This isn't untrue, but it would be at least confusing (at most blatantly misleading) to say from my example that "100% of Apple customers own an Apple TV and 20% own AirPods." So the 25% of Apple TV owners quoted in the survey could easily include so-called "double counting" and certainly would not necessarily mean that more Apple TVs are being sold than pairs of AirPods. Same for the HomePod. The survey also doesn't talk about frequency of use, which would be important for considering market penetration.
 
That’s actually surprising. Because for most of its history, Apple relegated the ATV to “hobby” status. It was never talked about much during events until a few years ago. It was buried in the iPod section for most of its existence.

So yeah, having that many user is quite surprising
 
An awful lot of people are looking at this graph and declaring that it's obviously wrong because it doesn't fit their sensibilities.

Nobody seems to be saying, "wow, that's surprising if it's true", they just reject it out of hand because it doesn't fit their preconceived notions.

It's entirely possible that the sampling techniques have skewed the data - we don't know - but I'll say, interesting/surprising if true.
 
Not sure if you are making sense. if 10% of all iPhone users don't know what a HomePod is. while a big number, it is small compared to the 90% of iPhone users who do? yes? Are you in marketing?

Ya I had that wrong..meant to say "I doubt 10% of iPhone users know what a HomePod is", inferring that there is no way everyone that knows what a HomePod actually is owns one.

I have never seen a HomePod outside an Apple Store.

I know a ton of people with AirPods, a few people with Apple TV's (most have Roku sticks), and don't know anyone with a HomePod. I'm sure that is how most posters on here would feel.
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An awful lot of people are looking at this graph and declaring that it's obviously wrong because it doesn't fit their sensibilities.

Nobody seems to be saying, "wow, that's surprising if it's true", they just reject it out of hand because it doesn't fit their preconceived notions.

It's entirely possible that the sampling techniques have skewed the data - we don't know - but I'll say, interesting/surprising if true.

If anyone puts out a graph saying ~25% more people have HomePods than AirPods it's wrong. There are multiple ways to prove this with 99.9% confidence.
 
I mean yea, I own one (4th gen, non 4K)... but it’s sitting in a box in a closet. The remote is horrible and I’ve had a better overall experience with Roku.

I’d be willing to buy a new one because I’m attracted to Apple Arcade, but I don’t want to buy a two year old device. Come on, Apple, release a new Apple TV.

Now you can make it learn any third party remote, like Harmony.
 
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Where does the idea that $299 is not an affordable price for a quality home speaker come from? It's certainly not based on market pricing for compact speakers and headphones. It's very easy to find a wide range of similar products in that price range. That's a mid-range price.

Sonos rocks!
 
  1. I'm not surprised. The Apple TV is a great 4k device. I have 3.
  2. The survey results are a little misleading without context, which should be reported. The closest I could get to the actual source is here, and it indicates that the survey was conducted on 500 Apple customers who bought an iPhone, iPad, or Mac between Sept 29 to Oct 10, 2019. There are certainly customers out there who own Apple products exclusive of those three. It's fine to conduct the survey as such, but this caveat needs to be included.

*EDIT* I noticed both this story and the smart watch story now appropriately includes that info at the bottom. Thank you! :)
 
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Now you can make it learn any third party remote, like Harmony.

Since it came out, I doubt at least half the people that come here and bash the remote have actually used the remote or any part of the Apple Tv. Most of these people are liars. Most companies have trolls that their number one job is to post on message boards and bash rival companies acting like a frustrated customer. It is why you can never really trust Amazon reviews.
 
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Has anyone ever said anything glowing about the remote? It is perhaps the most hated device that Apple has ever came out with.

Perhaps, if Apple made a better aftermarket AppleTV remote, that was larger (so it didn't get lost in the couch cushions, lost inside the couch, etc) and fit the hand, where it had less sensitive surfaces (or adjustable touch control) - it would sell better.

If there is one CONSISTENT complaint I hear about the AppleTV experience, it's the remote.
 
So Homepod is more popular than Airpods? That's odd...
Am I missing something?

I think that's the real news. A pretty good showing for HomePod.
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As others have said, this survey is complete crap. I doubt 10% of iPhone users know what a HomePod is.

This article should be about how to never spend money with whatever marketing group did this survey.

I think you're wrong on that!
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I'd still like to know what Apple "cracked". Jobs reportedly said that about TVs, that Apple had finally figured out the interface. But so far I'm not sure what that was. Siri? Creating their own Apple TV network?

That was when Jobs was very ill. Whatever he thought might have been "cracked" I suspect was something that's now already mainstream.
 
Since it came out, I doubt at least half the people that come here and bash the remote have actually used the remote or any part of the Apple Tv. Most of these people are liars. Most companies have trolls that their number one job is to post on message boards and bash rival companies acting like a frustrated customer. It is why you can never really trust Amazon reviews.
Pretty harsh - you may like the remote. I have 3 AppleTV's at home, all of them 4K. The remote is horrible.
 
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The survey is suspect but the bigger issue may be how many of those AppleTV devices are still in use and how many can run AppleTV the app let alone AppleTV the service (which seems to be mostly about enticing l people to use the app).
Apple doesn’t want to make a cheap Siri speaker or a cheap Apple TV devices because they want/reasonably expect people to own their expensive phones and have them with them which have those capabilities
 
Where does the idea that $299 is not an affordable price for a quality home speaker come from? It's certainly not based on market pricing for compact speakers and headphones. It's very easy to find a wide range of similar products in that price range. That's a mid-range price.

It’s not a quality speaker. How many input methods do you have? What ist the frequency range? What is the impedance? What about the sensitivity? Now compare that to a real quality speaker.
 
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The A12x would better position the device for Apple Arcade, a subscription service, which is the business model Apple is moving toward. On a practical note, a more powerful Apple TV is needed for 4K gaming, even with the casual games currently available. It’s choppy and not so great, currently.

I just want to point out that, as written, you said the Apple TV has a crappy UI, terrible OS maintenance, app support and near inexistent developer community. I beg to differ; it has a good UI, great OS maintenance, great app support, and a huge developer community. Just about the only bad part is the very awkward remote control.
A new Apple TV with an A12X would still not be viable for 4K gaming, don't kid yourself. Apple TV isn't a gaming console and you'd be one of very few people trying to force it to be. On paper the A10X is as good as or better than a Switch or a Shield TV, the apps and engines need optimization. We do not need a new Apple TV right now.
 
Since it came out, I doubt at least half the people that come here and bash the remote have actually used the remote or any part of the Apple Tv. Most of these people are liars. Most companies have trolls that their number one job is to post on message boards and bash rival companies acting like a frustrated customer. It is why you can never really trust Amazon reviews.
Some people probably are, but you don't need to use new remote to know that buttons are more reliable than touch screen. I have an old Apple TV and when I need to use their Remote app, it often takes me 2 tries when navigation UI. It's easy to overshoot when you need to move just by 1 point. The other thing is accidental input which happens with Remote app too.
 
It's needed due to Apple Arcade. The A10X in the 4K ATV is no slouch for graphics/games, but it makes sense for Apple to refresh the SoC every 2-3 years since they're already manufacturing newer X series chips for the iPad Pro lineup. 2020 would be an opportunity to duplicate what they did in 2017: roll out the new X version of their latest A series chip for iPad Pro and then update the ATV with that same spec.
Apple Arcade is not the primary function of an Apple TV, and it remains to be seen if the service is even popular. The A10X is also plenty powerful to run all Apple Arcade games in 1080p. A12X does not suddenly make 4K gaming viable.

I would bet that anyone lobbying for a new Apple TV right now doesn't own a 4K, and probably still has a 3rd gen or no Apple TV at all.
 
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Pretty harsh - you may like the remote. I have 3 AppleTV's at home, all of them 4K. The remote is horrible.

It is not the best remote out there but it is fine. There is no need to bash the remote because you can use any remote and this has been pointed out hundreds of times if not thousands yet people still come here and complain.
 
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