Doesn’t make sense. I know so many people with AirPods but no one with appletv.
Do something about the remote please. Hate navigating with touch.
Att is canceling out some orders from the Nov 1st sale because they oversold and are out of stock
If it really upsets you there are at least two cheap solutions:
(a) look on Amazon for an Apple TV remote cover. Installing a cover makes it very obvious which end is up and which end is down, and gives the remote much better hand feel.
(b) If you have an old IR remote for pretty much anything sitting around unused (or you can buy one on eBay), you can train the aTV to respond to an IR remote. Pretty much everything can be done by IR remote (the only thing that can't is you can't remap the home button). This means you can use a "button" remote to select and launch content, jump around, toggle closed captioning, all that sort of stuff.
Go to the Settings app on aTV and scroll down. Somewhere towards the end there is a section which allows you to train an IR remote.
(I would suggest that you expect to do this twice. The first time you're not sure what you're doing, so you kinda choose buttons for up/down/skip back etc randomly! Try them for a week or so, you'll realize you made some dumb choices, but you'll also be able to write down good choices then do the training again.)
The way it was originally written was this: “Most TVs have a crappy UI, terrible OS maintenance, app support and near inexistent developer community. The Apple TV has all that.” Yes, that does claim that Apple TV has a crappy UI, etc. English grammar is hard.I did NOT say that. I said the exact opposite. Read again, mate. Also updated so that it can't be misunderstood.
The A12x would be fine for 4K gaming for casual games, which is exactly what Apple is going for. It does not replace the purpose-built game consoles.A new Apple TV with an A12X would still not be viable for 4K gaming, don't kid yourself. Apple TV isn't a gaming console and you'd be one of very few people trying to force it to be. On paper the A10X is as good as or better than a Switch or a Shield TV, the apps and engines need optimization. We do not need a new Apple TV right now.
Let's deconstruct your claims for a minute.
- (1) Why drop the price to 69 bucks? Is 169 really that much?
- (2) Do you really need that A12 or 12X chip? In my experience it works just fine with the chip it has.
- (3) There is no need to compete when you own the ecosystem. Few people get this part.
- (4) Most TVs have a crappy UI, terrible OS maintenance, app support and near inexistent developer community. The Apple TV has all those missing elements.
- (5) Most TVs also don't act as a smart-home hub. The Apple TV does.
- (6) AirPlay is NOT on every TV. Not even on every NEW TV. Sweeping statement...
Agreed! True statements, just very confusing results and muddled methodology.But it would not be wrong. My wife and I we both own iPhones and we share an Apple TV. So both Apple customers own an Apple TV. The wording may be not clear but it’s not wrong.
Same here in Australia. It's in fact the only thing connected to the TV apart from the Switch.What utter nonsense. I'm in the UK, we use it every day.
(1) Drop price to $____ because a Roku can be had for as little as $29.99.
Roku dominates the streaming device/platform market. Apple is last (refer to graphic below)
(3) An ecosystem that Apple is opening up to Roku, Amazon, and Samsung. I wouldn't be surprised to see an Apple TV+ app for Android smartphone users.
(4) I'm very happy with Roku UI. It is very simple and OS and apps get updated several times a year
(6) Isn't Apple working to get AirPlay on Roku devices?
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Let's deconstruct your post as well:
The TV experience for Apple is pretty garbage, and it costs a huge amount to just get in. I have to buy a $2000 tv and then spend $200 for a thing that allows me to watch netflix?
- Chrome cast costs only $45, Apple TV doens't have any value proposition at 179 or 199 considering MOST people just watch youtube and netflix. In fact my own Apple TV, the usage is 40% youtube, 40% nextflix and 20% infuse. I don't see ANY of my friends buying AppleTV, and none of my parents or family members want AppleTV (they think its a waste of money / don't see the point)
- You don't need an A12 chip, but its far more expensive to keep an old chip line alive, than throwing in a batch of your latest, especially with the efficiencies in both manufacturing. I'm sure an A12 is cheaper than an A10x over time. You also don't need a fan in an A12 so you save that cost. Your point is really just full of apple fanboyism.
- This point is absolutely asinine. What does this even mean? 75% of Apple users don't even have an Apple TV for their TV's, I'm sure 100% of Apple users have a TV. Apple owns the ecosystem, but can't appeal to TV users.
- No body cares about this point, AppleTV isn't appealing enough to install, and most TVs now run on Tizen, android and others. You are far mistaken to think that and I think you haven't really seen a smart TV in the last few years.
- I have an AppleTV, Homepod, and don't see the point of this smart home hub, completely sidetracked point here. Smart hub is as valuable as the nonexistent homekit devices that are made for it. And the ones that are barely work properly.
- Your last statement is cherry picking. You want AppleTV to grow, but every TV will have airplay on it anyway, so going forward, you'll be in a field that's far more competitive and far less in need of Apple TV's when TVs can do most of what an Apple TV really is useful for (airplaying content to the TV).
Their strategy is absolutely stupid, and people who think it's not... seirously.
The battle cry of people who don't understand statistics.Sample size of 500 = statistically meaningless. Move along.
You forgot option (c) Come here and just complain about the Remote, that is the cheapest option of all
The form over function remote is asking for complaints... and I’d argue they’re quite legitimate complaints.
So my only solution is to use a 3rd party cover to make up for Apples insistence on design over function? Plus I’m still having to use touch for navigating (doesn’t address the main complaint). And the other solution is to buy an older version of the remote off eBay?
Or perhaps I should just keep silent as you suggest.
I hear you if AppleTV is just a streaming box it is doing just fine, but if it is a greater part of the ecosystem, and upgrade is in desperate need and should have been here 2 years ago.Let's deconstruct your claims for a minute.
- Why drop the price to 69 bucks? Is 169 really that much?
- Do you really need that A12 or 12X chip? In my experience it works just fine with the chip it has.
- There is no need to compete when you own the ecosystem. Few people get this part.
- Most TVs have a crappy UI, terrible OS maintenance, app support and near inexistent developer community. The Apple TV has all those missing elements.
- Most TVs also don't act as a smart-home hub. The Apple TV does.
- AirPlay is NOT on every TV. Not even on every NEW TV. Sweeping statement...
That seems very plausible except for the facts. When asked what people use the echo for the tase majority say playing music.If you look at the competition, you’d notice that a majority of the market doesn’t care about having a “home speaker.” All they want to do is be able to issue commands to a smart assistant. The Amazon Echo products are eating Apple for lunch because everything works with Alexa and you can talk to Alexa with $25, $50, $100, $200, and $300 devices, depending on what you’re interested in. You can have one in every room for less than the price of a single HomePod.
Exactly got a dot for $20 on sale and it's fine. Music sounds good to us.If you look at the competition, you’d notice that a majority of the market doesn’t care about having a “home speaker.” All they want to do is be able to issue commands to a smart assistant. The Amazon Echo products are eating Apple for lunch because everything works with Alexa and you can talk to Alexa with $25, $50, $100, $200, and $300 devices, depending on what you’re interested in. You can have one in every room for less than the price of a single HomePod.