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25 Song Cap on iTunes Phone?
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This is the E790 firmware that I flashed on my E398. It is indeed limited to 25 songs, but only for testing purpose.
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This is the E790 firmware that I flashed on my E398. It is indeed limited to 25 songs, but only for testing purpose.
dernhelm said:
perhaps it's like the shuffle where you set the amount you want for songs and the amount you want for storage... an dthe phone was set for 25 songs and the person using it was a moron...
wrxguy said:
Yeah, but you're missing the point to. Why artificially cap a phone with a flash card to 25 songs? Plenty of phones can already play more.
The 25 song limit is almost certainly for this test unit only.
Laslo Panaflex said:
Surprise Apple doesn't make ANY of its products. They are all manufactured by someone else.
madmaxmedia said:
I now wonder if that was either misinformation to stir up hype, or a delibertae seeding by Apple to try and find leaks.Maybe they made a bunch of different "factoids" up and gave one to each different Apple group/outside involved party to try and nail them.
I'm still hoping that indeed Apple and Moto will surprise us!
I guess we will soon find out though!
I guess we will soon find out though!
ugh. please let this phone come out - I'm so sick of hearing about this. I just want it out, no matter how good/bad it is. sick of hearing about it at this point, and I'm not going to get it anyway. unless this thing is going to have considerably better battery life than any other phone on the market, I will not be wasting my cell phone battery listening to music.
but anyway, regarding this upcoming event, I for one think it is just going to be about the phone. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
but anyway, regarding this upcoming event, I for one think it is just going to be about the phone. I'd love to be wrong, but I'm not holding my breath.
DJY said:
Looks like ROKR will come in 512MB and 1GB models, so says the latest English news. Things are looking up.
rethinking the iPhone
...if there is an iPhone, that is...
I've got a birthday coming up, and my family has pitched in for an iPod. I'll wait, however, to see what happens in september. I've been hoping for an increased capacity iPod mini with color screen, you see.
But I don't have to have a music player (so I say now), it'd just be a sometimes used neat gadget.
But with a new puppy, I want to show pictures. I'd like to keep a schedule and contact list with easy sync and good navigation. And if it's easy and fast (i.e. iTunes) to load up music, 100-200 songs would be fine.
So the more I think about it, an iPhone would be perfect for me.
More important than my story, though, is the question: do you think there is an untapped market? Are there others who actually need the jack of all trades--phone, pda, iPod?
My cellphones have always been the cheapest they'd sell/give me. I wouldn't think twice about spending good bucks ($400?) for a product that did all that right.
Maybe this will be big for Apple
...if there is an iPhone, that is...
I've got a birthday coming up, and my family has pitched in for an iPod. I'll wait, however, to see what happens in september. I've been hoping for an increased capacity iPod mini with color screen, you see.
But I don't have to have a music player (so I say now), it'd just be a sometimes used neat gadget.
But with a new puppy, I want to show pictures. I'd like to keep a schedule and contact list with easy sync and good navigation. And if it's easy and fast (i.e. iTunes) to load up music, 100-200 songs would be fine.
So the more I think about it, an iPhone would be perfect for me.
More important than my story, though, is the question: do you think there is an untapped market? Are there others who actually need the jack of all trades--phone, pda, iPod?
My cellphones have always been the cheapest they'd sell/give me. I wouldn't think twice about spending good bucks ($400?) for a product that did all that right.
Maybe this will be big for Apple
I'm having difficulty seeing anything rumoured justify the hype Apple has allegedly released for next week's "Event"
- It can't be a Motorola phone, at least, not the one rumoured. It's just a phone that plays AC3s, it's nice, but it doesn't sound like it's an iPod-Phone combo or anything like that.
- Apple combining with a mobile operator is a nice idea, but it doesn't seem likely. There are only two nationwide GSM operators in the US, T-Mobile isn't ready yet (still upgrading to EDGE) and Cingular, right now, appears to be interested in selling Motorola's phone and that's it. As for non-GSM/UMTS, it'd be insane for Apple to countenance the idea, as if they ever wanted to export the "product" they'd have to redesign it from the ground up, and nobody in their right mind is going to want a phone this powerful that's locked to a carrier and vice-versa. Until Qualcomm forces its licensees (Sprint PCS and Verizon) to get out of the cellular model age, and start using the cdmaOne/CDMA2000 equivalent of GSM/UMTS's SIMs, and open their networks, etc, we're not going to see anything there.
- A video iPod is the chocolate teapot of portable media. I understood iPod Photo as soon as I heard about it, most of my women-friends are always carrying around a library of photos, this is something that will appeal to them. But Apple would, essentially, have to create an entire new market from scratch for portable, personal (ie one person sees it), video in this way. They've not done anything along those lines for a long time (arguably, not since the Newton, which was only a partial success.) They didn't invent or popularize portable music, they merely repackaged MP3 to fit it correctly. They didn't invent or popularize people carrying pictures with them. People do it anyway. Portable movie viewing is, right now, far from popular. If Apple was to enter a new market with the iPod, I see mobile telephony or portable gaming as far, far, more likely.
I don't doubt something is happening on September 6th. I just have massive reservations it's what's speculated. At a guess, it'll probably not be anything that justifies the hype: perhaps a revamp of the iPod mini line with the Motorola phone launched as part of the same thing. The iPod minis are selling well at the moment, but I think Apple could make them a more compelling proposition, given the superiority of the fractionally more expensive iPod "Classic" line. This could be as simple as giving them flash memory, now it's plummetted in price, resulting in battery lives measured in days rather than hours.
It's not quite as dramatic, but couple the phone announcement (with the suggestion of more to come) with some good upgrades, and you have an event. It still lacks something, and I honestly don't know what would be the extra that justifies the hype. One thing's for sure though - it's highly unlikely to be what's speculated.
- It can't be a Motorola phone, at least, not the one rumoured. It's just a phone that plays AC3s, it's nice, but it doesn't sound like it's an iPod-Phone combo or anything like that.
- Apple combining with a mobile operator is a nice idea, but it doesn't seem likely. There are only two nationwide GSM operators in the US, T-Mobile isn't ready yet (still upgrading to EDGE) and Cingular, right now, appears to be interested in selling Motorola's phone and that's it. As for non-GSM/UMTS, it'd be insane for Apple to countenance the idea, as if they ever wanted to export the "product" they'd have to redesign it from the ground up, and nobody in their right mind is going to want a phone this powerful that's locked to a carrier and vice-versa. Until Qualcomm forces its licensees (Sprint PCS and Verizon) to get out of the cellular model age, and start using the cdmaOne/CDMA2000 equivalent of GSM/UMTS's SIMs, and open their networks, etc, we're not going to see anything there.
- A video iPod is the chocolate teapot of portable media. I understood iPod Photo as soon as I heard about it, most of my women-friends are always carrying around a library of photos, this is something that will appeal to them. But Apple would, essentially, have to create an entire new market from scratch for portable, personal (ie one person sees it), video in this way. They've not done anything along those lines for a long time (arguably, not since the Newton, which was only a partial success.) They didn't invent or popularize portable music, they merely repackaged MP3 to fit it correctly. They didn't invent or popularize people carrying pictures with them. People do it anyway. Portable movie viewing is, right now, far from popular. If Apple was to enter a new market with the iPod, I see mobile telephony or portable gaming as far, far, more likely.
I don't doubt something is happening on September 6th. I just have massive reservations it's what's speculated. At a guess, it'll probably not be anything that justifies the hype: perhaps a revamp of the iPod mini line with the Motorola phone launched as part of the same thing. The iPod minis are selling well at the moment, but I think Apple could make them a more compelling proposition, given the superiority of the fractionally more expensive iPod "Classic" line. This could be as simple as giving them flash memory, now it's plummetted in price, resulting in battery lives measured in days rather than hours.
It's not quite as dramatic, but couple the phone announcement (with the suggestion of more to come) with some good upgrades, and you have an event. It still lacks something, and I honestly don't know what would be the extra that justifies the hype. One thing's for sure though - it's highly unlikely to be what's speculated.
According to ThinkSecret there will be two models: 256MB (70 songs) and 512MB (140 songs). Hopefully that's a bit better. But $2 per song over the Cingular network--ouch!
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0509ipod.html
http://www.thinksecret.com/news/0509ipod.html
I hadn't really found much interest in cell phones with music playback capability, until now that the hype is growing on the elusive iPhone or the other Motorola iTunes enabled phone. I think the Sony Ericsson Walkman phone could pretty much have what we could expect from anything announced (except iTunes, of course). Yes, it's pricey but not as much as the first "high-end" iPod Photo. (And it has an integrated camera as well.)
I'm just hoping Apple announces something I would actually want to buy, which is not a phone... It would really have to be something amazing.
I'm just hoping Apple announces something I would actually want to buy, which is not a phone... It would really have to be something amazing.
finchna said:
Hmm... I guess this pretty much tells us what we will be seeing next weak, huh? However, with these announcements I wouldn't understand what the "here we go again.." part means. What will Apple be changing now? Downloading music directly to a phone? Unless the music could go back to your iTunes, it's pretty much a lousy deal.
Check out the Moto e680
I see the claims of this or that phone being the iTunes phone, and it's likely that there may be several models, but you have got to look at the Moto e680 phone. That has got to be the base for the iTunes phone. It is not the world's perfect phone but it sure makes a kickass Apple phone. Look at the specs and various reviews on the net (it's been out in other countries for a while). Here is one review. Here's a few specs:
It's media based. It runs an Intel CPU. It runs Linux. It has loud stereo speakers and stereo bluetooth. It syncs via a real mini USB port. It holds at least 2GB on an SD card. It has almost iPod-looking controls. It has a 320x240 screen. It does MPEG4. It plays portrait or landscape. It has a camera. It plays/records video. It is GSM, it has Java, it has 3D graphics. A touch screen. A stylus. It recognizes handwriting. FM radio. Organizer. SMS, MMS, WAP, POP, IMAP, Opera, Samba, Telnet...
The phone has just about all the hardware you need and performs pretty well both as a phone and as a computer. It's smaller than a SE P910. It is incredibly customizable. Heck, you could stick the Newton OS in there, if you wanted. Or more likely, a very OSX-like experience. You can update it's firmware.
I'm placing my bet - it's based on the Moto 680.
I see the claims of this or that phone being the iTunes phone, and it's likely that there may be several models, but you have got to look at the Moto e680 phone. That has got to be the base for the iTunes phone. It is not the world's perfect phone but it sure makes a kickass Apple phone. Look at the specs and various reviews on the net (it's been out in other countries for a while). Here is one review. Here's a few specs:
It's media based. It runs an Intel CPU. It runs Linux. It has loud stereo speakers and stereo bluetooth. It syncs via a real mini USB port. It holds at least 2GB on an SD card. It has almost iPod-looking controls. It has a 320x240 screen. It does MPEG4. It plays portrait or landscape. It has a camera. It plays/records video. It is GSM, it has Java, it has 3D graphics. A touch screen. A stylus. It recognizes handwriting. FM radio. Organizer. SMS, MMS, WAP, POP, IMAP, Opera, Samba, Telnet...
The phone has just about all the hardware you need and performs pretty well both as a phone and as a computer. It's smaller than a SE P910. It is incredibly customizable. Heck, you could stick the Newton OS in there, if you wanted. Or more likely, a very OSX-like experience. You can update it's firmware.
I'm placing my bet - it's based on the Moto 680.
Here is the real deal with the 25 song cap.
OK. Here is the real deal with the 25 song cap. It's quite clever, actually.
Yes, there is a 25 song cap - a software limit imposed by the version of iTunes that will ship with the phone.
HOWEVER - Apple will offer a pay version of this mobile iTunes software that will remove the limit. I am guessing that it will cost 25 dollars in the US.
Apple has done it again - created a revenue stream where before there was none. With the strength and user base of the music store, I think this will be another big hit. I'll be that a lot of people out there will pay 25 dollars to be able to carry large amounts of music on their phone.
OK. Here is the real deal with the 25 song cap. It's quite clever, actually.
Yes, there is a 25 song cap - a software limit imposed by the version of iTunes that will ship with the phone.
HOWEVER - Apple will offer a pay version of this mobile iTunes software that will remove the limit. I am guessing that it will cost 25 dollars in the US.
Apple has done it again - created a revenue stream where before there was none. With the strength and user base of the music store, I think this will be another big hit. I'll be that a lot of people out there will pay 25 dollars to be able to carry large amounts of music on their phone.
steve69 said:
If a device was limited to store only a given amount of data when it could actually store more, then you can bet that many people would look for a way to hack it. I don't think they (Apple) would do it anyway, what a waste of time for $25 per phone per person who actually wants to carry more than 25 songs on a phone. By the way, there are already many other phones that have more storage than that.
aswitcher said:
I hope these models come with removable memory sticks because it won't sell well if they're embedded. I have the SE w800i (walkman phone) and I absolutely love the phone. I have a 1gb stick in it and the music playback is flawless. I never liked Moto phones, so I don't think there's a reason for me to buy it, especially when this phone does much more than the iTunes phone probably will (2MP w/ auto focus camera looks great on this phone!). OF COURSE, the only drawback is that the music transfer SW is not as seamless as iTunes has been and always will be.
0s and 1s said:
Barring something incredible this week... I think I will also be getting a SE W800, or maybe the K750i. I don't like the UI on Moto phones... and my SE T610 has been amazing - especially with sync / sms with my PB!
Glad to hear you like your phone mate - as I have been scouring around for reviews over the past few weeks. Will wait till after the big announcement though - just in case Steve does surprise us with something better or a different gadget for me to buy.