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27" iMac Video Input With Xbox 360?

fruitpunch.ben said:
so how much does it cost all up with the converter and the scaler?
Pretty pricey solution in the end i'd imagine?
Probably as much again as a decent 27" 1080p screen with HDMI input would cost, meaning its a pretty useless way of doing it...
Let us know the cost AND as soon as you confirm that it works (please test with and without the scaler just in case).
Thanks!

Ben
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ill make a thread when i find out the results....

the total price of the components is just shy of 400 dollars. Supposedly atlona is coming out with an all in one unit closer to 200-250 "sometime next year"

you are 100% right about finding a cheap 27" monitor for the same price as the two components but when it comes down to it, the imac screen is in a league of its own, at least right now, and it comes with a computer! if you cant tell the difference between led backlit IPS panels then by all means look elsewhere.

In the end, its really apples fault for not letting the imac have an hdmi/dvi port in the back. Darn apple and their desire to "think different".

Currently im using a 26" samsung which is 1920X1200 resolution and it works perfectly with the ps3, computer, cable box. It just displays the image with black bars on the tops and bottom, which is totally fine with me since it doesnt stretch the image in anyway.
 
unamused said:
ill make a thread when i find out the results....

the total price of the components is just shy of 400 dollars. Supposedly atlona is coming out with an all in one unit closer to 200-250 "sometime next year"

you are 100% right about finding a cheap 27" monitor for the same price as the two components but when it comes down to it, the imac screen is in a league of its own, at least right now, and it comes with a computer! if you cant tell the difference between led backlit IPS panels then by all means look elsewhere.

In the end, its really apples fault for not letting the imac have an hdmi/dvi port in the back. Darn apple and their desire to "think different".

Currently im using a 26" samsung which is 1920X1200 resolution and it works perfectly with the ps3, computer, cable box. It just displays the image with black bars on the tops and bottom, which is totally fine with me since it doesnt stretch the image in anyway.
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You'll post a link here of the new thread right?? :D

I'm curious about the result. I won't have my iMac in say a month, but I really want to connect my xbox to it when it's finially there! And I'm willing to pay some money to make it possible if the results are more than decent :)
 
Hang on a minute,

Does that mean that this will allow me to play an Xbox 360 through the iMac 27 inch display? Or am I missing something here?

People have mentioned this up-scaler and it says on the website: Note: HDMI source such as PS3 or Apple TV could also be used; however since output resolutions of the sources don`t match with the display you would also need to add an HDMI to HDMI scaler AT-HD560 between source and AT-DP200

Is this needed for it to work, or for it to match the iMac resolution?

Thanks

Sacha
 
SachaS said:
Hang on a minute,

Does that mean that this will allow me to play an Xbox 360 through the iMac 27 inch display? Or am I missing something here?

People have mentioned this up-scaler and it says on the website: Note: HDMI source such as PS3 or Apple TV could also be used; however since output resolutions of the sources don`t match with the display you would also need to add an HDMI to HDMI scaler AT-HD560 between source and AT-DP200

Is this needed for it to work, or for it to match the iMac resolution?

Thanks

Sacha
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from what i understand, yes, you need both the dp-200 and the hd560 to connect a ps3, 360, hd cable box to your 27" imac.

I'm still waiting for the components to come in along with my imac (which i will order in a couple weeks).

You think the apple store would let me bring these components in a test it out? or maybe a bestbuy... or someone in the sacramento area with a 27" imac? haha
 
Wicked. I'll await your confirmation before purchasing. I'm sure if you worked some suave charm at the Apple store or a computer warehouse that stocks Apple products they'd be more than happy to test the adaptor out. Don't forget to mention the whole Apple community worldwide is pretty much awaiting your invaluable findings.

Just a few questions unamused:

Firstly, if you're unamused why the 'haha'?

Secondly, why do you need both those components? Why is the up-scaler necessary? Surely it'll just display in 1080p or 780p, which shouldn't really make that hell of a difference unless you're really scrutinising the screen?

For example I have an old PC monitor which I use to connect the 360 up to, and that doesn't require an up-scaler.

Lastly, does this mean the 27 inch iMac can be used to display Blu-Ray DVDs ?

Thanks,

Sacha
 
SachaS said:
Wicked. I'll await your confirmation before purchasing. I'm sure if you worked some suave charm at the Apple store or a computer warehouse that stocks Apple products they'd be more than happy to test the adaptor out. Don't forget to mention the whole Apple community worldwide is pretty much awaiting your invaluable findings.

Just a few questions unamused:

Firstly, if you're unamused why the 'haha'?

Secondly, why do you need both those components? Why is the up-scaler necessary? Surely it'll just display in 1080p or 780p, which shouldn't really make that hell of a difference unless you're really scrutinising the screen?

For example I have an old PC monitor which I use to connect the 360 up to, and that doesn't require an up-scaler.

Lastly, does this mean the 27 inch iMac can be used to display Blu-Ray DVDs ?

Thanks,

Sacha
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If it'll work with the HDMI output from on x-box, it'll work for a HDMI output from a Blu-ray player.
But for $400 for converter + scaler its much cheaper to buy a blu-ray drive and either rip the discs to play in os x or play them straight from the disc in bootcamp windows.
 
We already know it's possible to connect a PC up to the iMac if it has a MDP compatible graphics card. Somewhere earlier on in the thread there is a link to another forum where someone connected their PC to the iMac 27 inch.

The problem is that the XBox 360 hasn't got a MDP compatible graphics card, and therefore requires an adaptor.

Sacha
 
ehh... sorry guys, running into a roadblock.

Was hoping to order the iMac early December but my financial situation isnt turning out how it was suppose to.

I was promised a raise that hasnt gone through yet so my "fun money" budget isnt going to support getting the iMac in my previous time frame. In addition I need a new rear tire on my motorcycle ($200).

Looks like I wont be able to put my order in till January. hopefully by then they will work out the cracked screens and DOA units they have been sending out anyway...


arrrrgggg!! :mad:
 
SachaS said:
We already know it's possible to connect a PC up to the iMac if it has a MDP compatible graphics card. Somewhere earlier on in the thread there is a link to another forum where someone connected their PC to the iMac 27 inch.

The problem is that the XBox 360 hasn't got a MDP compatible graphics card, and therefore requires an adaptor.

Sacha
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shoduln't it work then with the Radeon 5870 then, or are DP and MDP not compatible? I'm a little confused...
 
Meriana said:
shoduln't it work then with the Radeon 5870 then, or are DP and MDP not compatible? I'm a little confused...
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REAL experiences of people in forums:

- ati 4890 (regular DP) ----> Works (so doing DP to MDP is not a problem)

- ati 5xxx (regular DP) ----> not works, maybe firmware problems

- ati 5970 (Mini-DP) ---> Works! Out of the box, no hacks!

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oh ok, thanks... I assumed the DP port of the 5870 is compatible with the MDP input of the imac...

5870 has only been tried with a cable made to connect mdp out to a DP in, hasn't it? It might be just the cable.
 
Meriana said:
oh ok, thanks... I assumed the DP port of the 5870 is compatible with the MDP input of the imac...

5870 has only been tried with a cable made to connect mdp out to a DP in, hasn't it? It might be just the cable.
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The same cable worked with a 4890 so the cable is good.

The 5870 seems to have some firmware issue, that's all.

But theoretically the DP port is compatible with MDP, and it actually works on the 4890.
 
Meriana said:
That's bad because i have an imac and i have an 5870 as well. -.-
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The "big DP to Mini-DP" cable is very cheap, I think you should give it a try anyway ;)


There's little experience about the whole target display thing, it's difficult to predict if something is gonna o isn't gonna work at the moment....
 
i'd love to try it, though i'm in switzerland and i'm not sure i can get one that cheap here... :)

S&H Cost $28.91

If i find one, i'm going to try it out.
 
just to stir things up abit. apple reps seem to think its fine!


*************
You are chatting with Yolanda, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Yolanda. Welcome to Apple!
hey, do you know if the new 27" imac can take video input from a 3rd party device such as a xbox 360?
Good morning
How may I help you today?
You can connect the two devices via a mini DisplayPort and HDMI lead.
and that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen? does apple sell that connector?
I have one I can show you.
click here
just to confirm, that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen?
Yes.
great, thank you very much for your help
**********
(said adaptor: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TX175ZM/A )

but in the Q&A section on that product someone says:

"Having just bought this adapter for the purpose of connecting my Blu Ray (HDMI) player to my imac 27", I can safely say it doesn't work.

(I also spent over 30 minutes on the phone to apple technical support, who having spoken to their supervisors in Ireland, confirmed that it DEFINITELY would work as an input to the Mac from HDMI)"

what is going on apple?!?!?!

2nd apple rep says this will work:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TS588ZM/A

USB?!?! is that fast enough?
 
It will connect the xbox/wii etc to the Imac but wont be the full 1440 res.
I think it might be 720p at best. This tread is all about the upscaler & HDMI to display port adaptors that all are waiting on. It is a long tread but you will get the jist of it when you read through.
The Apple reps arent wrong in what they say about the eyetv but wont be to anyones satisfaction.
Saving up the cash for a 27" imac so hopefully by the time that comes around Belkin or Atona will have there upscalers up and running.
 
grooveattack said:
just to stir things up abit. apple reps seem to think its fine!


*************
You are chatting with Yolanda, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Yolanda. Welcome to Apple!
hey, do you know if the new 27" imac can take video input from a 3rd party device such as a xbox 360?
Good morning
How may I help you today?
You can connect the two devices via a mini DisplayPort and HDMI lead.
and that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen? does apple sell that connector?
I have one I can show you.
click here
just to confirm, that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen?
Yes.
great, thank you very much for your help
**********
(said adaptor: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TX175ZM/A )
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That's nonsense, look at your adaptor, its MDP to HDMI, not HDMI to MDP, how could it work ! Moreover, the solution will never be a simple adaptor, it's really more complicated.

Theorically :
One of the only way to connect an HDMI source to the iMac 27 MDP input for now is to use the Atlona solution (see first pages of this topic).
BUT !
Because the iMac 27 has a resolution superior to HD, you need an upscaler (also sold by Atlona) to reach the native iMac 27 resolution, and an adapter to change HDMI to DVI.
That's the only way to keep complete properties of your XBOX / PS3 / BR player original signal and HDCP protections.
This complete solution is finally quite expensive.

Practically :
Noone has still tested it and certified it worked, so... wait.
Belkin had announced a solution but no news.

Wait & See ;)
 
At-hd560dvi

"AT-HD560 can scale up or down any computer resolution from VGA to WUXGA or HDTV resolution from 480p to 1080p"

It seems like that we can't reach iMac 27's native resolution with this scaler I guess.
As far as I know, there's no scaler that can scale up to 2560*1440 for now.
We have to wait Belkin's solution.
 
Can someone please explain to me why everyone on this thread seems to be talking about "scalers"? You can change the iMacs resolution to 1080P so wouldn't it just change to that when you fed it a HDMI source?
 
I just read in an article about the displayport that there are different type of cables. only the best ones seem to have enough capacity to transmit enough data for the native resolution of the 27" imac. Cheaper displayport cables only contain one channel, and for the 2560x1440 resolution of the imac 4 are needed. Might explain the problems.
 
grooveattack said:
just to stir things up abit. apple reps seem to think its fine!


*************
You are chatting with Yolanda, an Apple Expert
Hi, my name is Yolanda. Welcome to Apple!
hey, do you know if the new 27" imac can take video input from a 3rd party device such as a xbox 360?
Good morning
How may I help you today?
You can connect the two devices via a mini DisplayPort and HDMI lead.
and that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen? does apple sell that connector?
I have one I can show you.
click here
just to confirm, that will display my xbox 360 using the imac screen?
Yes.
great, thank you very much for your help
**********
(said adaptor: http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TX175ZM/A )

but in the Q&A section on that product someone says:

"Having just bought this adapter for the purpose of connecting my Blu Ray (HDMI) player to my imac 27", I can safely say it doesn't work.

(I also spent over 30 minutes on the phone to apple technical support, who having spoken to their supervisors in Ireland, confirmed that it DEFINITELY would work as an input to the Mac from HDMI)"

what is going on apple?!?!?!

2nd apple rep says this will work:
http://store.apple.com/uk/product/TS588ZM/A

USB?!?! is that fast enough?
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They really don't come across very well these Apple supervisors in Ireland. That bloody adaptor is clearly MDP to HDMI, not HDMI to MDP. Look at it, it doesn't have a wire to stick into the HDMI slot. Are they saying if you bought said HDMI to HDMI wire, this adaptor would DEFINITELY work?
 
Alright guys,

I've purchased one of these to test if it actually does work. After speaking to Apple Store the gentleman was adamant it would work.

I explained to him that it probably was designed for a Mac laptop, to use it to display on a HDMI compatible TV screen. After saying that he said: "ooh, right... yeah.... yeah, *reading stuff out*... no hang on. It should still work. It's bi-directional. I don't see any reason why it won't work. The only thing is there may be no sound..."

Any way he said I can get a full refund if it doesn't work. I should have it delivered in around two weeks time. I'd need to purchase a HDMI to HDMI cable as well obviously.

Has anybody got any idea how I can get around the sound issue?

Sacha
 
SachaS said:
Alright guys,

I've purchased one of these to test if it actually does work. After speaking to Apple Store the gentleman was adamant it would work.

I explained to him that it probably was designed for a Mac laptop, to use it to display on a HDMI compatible TV screen. After saying that he said: "ooh, right... yeah.... yeah, *reading stuff out*... no hang on. It should still work. It's bi-directional. I don't see any reason why it won't work. The only thing is there may be no sound..."

Any way he said I can get a full refund if it doesn't work. I should have it delivered in around two weeks time. I'd need to purchase a HDMI to HDMI cable as well obviously.

Has anybody got any idea how I can get around the sound issue?

Sacha
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my setup currently uses my logitech zx5500 for speakers so i just use my monitor for display only. I have optical out on ps3 to the optical port on the receiver for the zx5500's. you should look into something similar if your goal is for the ultimate experience. I cant imagine watching blu ray on such a nice display yet sound only coming from the left and right with no subs.

arrgggg i wish i had the funds to buy the imac but alas, i must wait... I hate it when i have to dip into my "fun money" to fund things that arent necessarily for fun. Hopefully by the time im ready to buy the all in one atlona scaler/converter will be out and apple will have worked out the kinks in the imac.
 
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