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27" iMac Video Input With Xbox 360?

SachaS said:
avi,

Will that cause any lag do you think?
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While the DVI to MDP is confirmed to have not lag, a scaler might. However, games (which are only 720p) don't need a scaler. They output at a resolution the iMac accepts without scaling. Here are the solutions I am contemplating:
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EDIT: I had to update the above image to show that 1440p over DVI needs DUAL LINK which the DP200 does NOT SUPPORT.
 
Thanks for the effort with your diagrams avihappy, everything is clearer with some visuals. In the two instances you illustrate above, an all-in-one solution where you can turn the scaler on or off would be ideal. This is of course if the second option does throw lag into the equation.
 
Yes thank you avihappy,

So on conclusion the DP200 will probably be the perfect product. Rather than having a built in scaler one can obtain a (cheap?) HDMI to HDMI scaler - if one requires the use of a blu-ray player or wishes to play games that do output at 1080p (very few).

The chances that new Atlona product will have an on-off switch on the scaler isn't very likely in my opinion, and it definitely won't be as responsive as a straight DVI to MDP adaptor due to the complicated process it will be performing.
 
Doesn't 1440p DVI require dual links? And isn't the Atlona DP200 (current) only single link? If this is true then the DP200 will never work for Blu-ray as in the diagram.
 
avihappy said:
Don't delude yourself into thinking that the XBOX or PS3 actually outputs games at 1080p. The games are usually rendered at 720p (or sometimes less!, see Halo 3 and MW2) and then upscaled to 1080P. Maybe the consoles would AA better than the iMac, but that's splitting hairs. I could understand your complaint if you were watching 1080p Blu-ray Movies(cuz that is not upscaled), but with games 720p/1080p doesn't really matter.

http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/games/c/call-of-duty-modern-warfare-2/modern-warfare-2-will-render-at-600p-$1314777.htm
http://www.gamezine.co.uk/news/ghostbusters-ps3-960-by-540-360-720p-$1304198.htm
http://xbox360.joystiq.com/2007/09/28/halo-3-not-hd-runs-at-640p-pixel-counters-claim/
http://www.playstatic.com/news/1023

If you wanna play MW2 in "Hi Def", play it on the iMac natively at max res (I don't know how well it would run even with the 4850)!
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im more concerned about blu-ray movies for the picture quality which is why im standing by my 1080P requirement. Atlona claims their up and coming product will do just that without lag. Im hoping they deliver.
 
Hi,,

I think there is now a perfect solution from germany :)
It is "Dr. Bott Digital Video Link" (I know it sounds stupid xD)
Here is the link: http://www.drbott.de/prod/DigitalVideoLink.html

This adapter just supports 720p, but it is confirmed that it works with the imac 27" and consols like the ps3. Also (!!!) the adapter can transport sound to the imac with Mini DisplayPort 1.1a and the iMac can play it(I even didnt know that this is possible) Again, the company confirmed, that it works.

Within the package comes the box, a dvi-cable (yes you can connect other dvi-computers as well), two minidP-Cable (one for 24"Cinema and one for 27") and that all for just 129 Euro/185 Dollar.

The only thing I dont know is if this lags (=bad for games)

I hope I could help you :)

Sry for my bad English, Im a Student from Germany

Update: Oh, the adapter also supports hdcp :) :)

I Think I will buy it next week and if you want, I can write a review.
 
danny_w said:
Doesn't 1440p DVI require dual links? And isn't the Atlona DP200 (current) only single link? If this is true then the DP200 will never work for Blu-ray as in the diagram.
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You are absolutely correct. I will edit my old previous post.
 
flocked said:
Hi,,

I think there is now a perfect solution from germany :)
It is "Dr. Bott Digital Video Link" (I know it sounds stupid xD)
Here is the link: http://www.drbott.de/prod/DigitalVideoLink.html

This adapter just supports 720p, but it is confirmed that it works with the imac 27" and consols like the ps3. Also (!!!) the adapter can transport sound to the imac with Mini DisplayPort 1.1a and the iMac can play it(I even didnt know that this is possible) Again, the company confirmed, that it works.

Within the package comes the box, a dvi-cable (yes you can connect other dvi-computers as well), two minidP-Cable (one for 24"Cinema and one for 27") and that all for just 129 Euro/185 Dollar.

The only thing I dont know is if this lags (=bad for games)

I hope I could help you :)

Sry for my bad English, Im a Student from Germany

Update: Oh, the adapter also supports hdcp :) :)

I Think I will buy it next week and if you want, I can write a review.
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Does this thing display PS3 at 1980x1200 on Apple Cinema Display LED 24"? If so, that's amazing, for only 99 euros! I've been wanting to use my iMac 27" but my Cinema Dispaly 24" would be just fine!
 
Ruscon said:
Does this thing display PS3 at 1980x1200 on Apple Cinema Display LED 24"? If so, that's amazing, for only 99 euros! I've been wanting to use my iMac 27" but my Cinema Dispaly 24" would be just fine!
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I wrote an Email to them for an answer ;)
 
So I got an answer. He said that there is no latency with the Dr. Bott Video Link and he tried a bluray-movie over ps3 with the new iMac and there was a sound from the iMac :) The only problem is that the monitor doesn´t support 24p, so there is a small juddering

Great, I think I will buy it and report about the adapter. :)

Oh one more thing:When Apple might be bring out a new Firmware for the iMac 27" with 1080p support, the adapter will support it.
 
flocked said:
Oh one more thing:When Apple might be bring out a new Firmware for the iMac 27" with 1080p support, the adapter will support it.
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If Apple were to do such a thing, what would source video that's 720p/1080p look like on the iMac's 1440p screen? Would that mean there would be black bars on the top and bottom of the monitor, but otherwise the displayed portion would look just like it would on a 1080p monitor or TV?

Happy Holidays everyone.
 
flocked,

Could you ask them if I could purchase this in England, and if so is there an English equivalent website?
 
flocked said:
So I got an answer. He said that there is no latency with the Dr. Bott Video Link and he tried a bluray-movie over ps3 with the new iMac and there was a sound from the iMac :) The only problem is that the monitor doesn´t support 24p, so there is a small juddering

Great, I think I will buy it and report about the adapter. :)

Oh one more thing:When Apple might be bring out a new Firmware for the iMac 27" with 1080p support, the adapter will support it.
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The news about the Dr Bott Adapter sounds really great! I'm from Holland and it seems like a good solution for me! I'm still waiting for my iMac.... The APR told me it could be january 2010 for delivery... :(
 
avihappy said:
While the DVI to MDP is confirmed to have not lag, a scaler might. However, games (which are only 720p) don't need a scaler. They output at a resolution the iMac accepts without scaling. Here are the solutions I am contemplating:
20h0ebk.png

EDIT: I had to update the above image to show that 1440p over DVI needs DUAL LINK which the DP200 does NOT SUPPORT.
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I've got everythinh like in the upper connection schemats and I turned on my PS3 (on previous display I set 720p) and pushing cmd+f2 and nothing happen.
Any tips?
 
flocked said:
Hi,,

I think there is now a perfect solution from germany :)
It is "Dr. Bott Digital Video Link" (I know it sounds stupid xD)
Here is the link: http://www.drbott.de/prod/DigitalVideoLink.html

This adapter just supports 720p, but it is confirmed that it works with the imac 27" and consols like the ps3. Also (!!!) the adapter can transport sound to the imac with Mini DisplayPort 1.1a and the iMac can play it(I even didnt know that this is possible) Again, the company confirmed, that it works.

Within the package comes the box, a dvi-cable (yes you can connect other dvi-computers as well), two minidP-Cable (one for 24"Cinema and one for 27") and that all for just 129 Euro/185 Dollar.

The only thing I dont know is if this lags (=bad for games)

I hope I could help you :)

Sry for my bad English, Im a Student from Germany

Update: Oh, the adapter also supports hdcp :) :)

I Think I will buy it next week and if you want, I can write a review.
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Hello

If thats true, then i am very close to join Mac :p

Do you know when you will try it out? Thanks.

From Kehaan.
 
Are you planning to use an iMac 27” as a display? If so, please give us a few days to confirm it. We are finishing up the DP400’s firmware and after it’s done we should be able to test it. I will let you know
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A snippet from an email sent by Atlona's Product Manager regarding the (soon to be released) DP400 and its compatibility with full HD (for Blu-ray) without lag (for games). Progress!
 
The DP400 will allow dual link resolutions (such as 2560x1440) to pass though. It it will be the successor to Atlona's DP200 which is only capable of 1280x720 (720P) when connected to the 27" iMac.

2560x1440 is an important resolution as it is one of the two supported by the 27" iMac's, the other being 1280x720 (720P). It is unclear at this point whether the process of upscaling to this resolution will induce lag, we're all very much looking forward to hearing back from Atlona on this.
 
But the DP400 does not scale so it's usless for anything other than a PC->iMac connection.

You need to wait for their product that scales from 1080p to 2560*1440 which I mentioned a few pages back.
 
RealEvil said:
But the DP400 does not scale so it's usless for anything other than a PC->iMac connection.

You need to wait for their product that scales from 1080p to 2560*1440 which I mentioned a few pages back.
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Thanks for the heads up, it seems the wait continues. This is the only factor stopping me from purchasing a PlayStation 3.
 
So the Belfan (HDMIDPBF) HDMI To DisplayPort Converter by Apogee will allow full resolution on a 24" ACD w/o the need of a scaler? So in other words, is this the all-in-one solution for the 24" ACD?
 
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