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27-Inch 'Studio Display Pro' With Mini-LED and ProMotion Could Launch in June

Mr. 123 said:
If they were planning a Pro, they should definitively have priced the standard model a bit lower. In Sweden the Studio Display is very close to the actual Mac Studio computer which is crazy, especially coming from an iMac 27.
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iMac Pro is coming next year. Yeah, pity how much a 27” Apple Mac will rise in price by the time it comes. I don’t see it being much cheaper than Studio + Studio display. Hope I’m wrong because I don’t want and can’t afford Studio setup and I believe non-Pro 27” iMac is now gone for good. That was Apple’s plan since 24” iMac was released I felt. Otherwise 27” iMac would have came out with 24” model, is what I was feeling.

Spaceballs 2: the search for more money.

Gone are the days we can get a 3 TB 27” iMac without needing to trade a kidney or a small child. The only option now is SSD internal hard drives and conveniently they are a significant premium expenditure over prior internal hard drives. I’d need more than 2 TB, which means 4 TB. Which pushes the machine storage €1.4K higher, and in the case of 4 TB base chip Studio + Studio display that is ~€6K ? (double the cost of 3 TB model from yesteryear)

I’d want all the hardware encoding acceleration I can get. Which means I’d want at least M1 Pro chip. But prices are crazy. And Mac mini is limited to 2 TB internal (Mac mini with standard M1 chip with 16 GB RAM and 2 TB hard drive + Studio Display is €3,748. Need M1 Pro and 4 TB internal: not an option, and were it an option we’re talking BIG money. Kidney money to me).
 
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Quasselstripper said:
Apple manages to supply two 6k XRD Displays via one Thunderbolt connection (through compression), so they should manage to offer 120Hz for one 6k display as well ;)
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Using compression will lead to image degradation, always. Especially with real time compression and decompression.
DSC is for huge signage displays and stuff, not when your face is inches away from the screen.
rhysmorgan said:
DisplayPort 2.0 is just Thunderbolt 3's physical layer repurposed.

Thunderbolt 3 is 40Gbps bi-directional, whereas DisplayPort takes the now-royalty-free Thunderbolt 3 spec, and reverses the 40Gbps inbound lanes as additional display lanes, to achieve 80Gbps uni-directional data transfer overall.

5K 120Hz 8-bit colour requires about 53Gbps bandwidth, fitting in the DisplayPort 2.0 UHBR13.5 spec - perhaps leaving some bandwidth for Apple to allow 20Gbps or so of USB bandwidth on additional USB-C ports. Upping the colour to 10-bit requires 63Gbps, but that's still within the 80Gbps bandwidth of DisplayPort 2.0. And none of that considers the possibility for Display Stream Compression, which is claimed to be visually lossless, supporting up to 16K 60Hz. But not sure Apple would be happy using something like that...

Since the physical layer is the same, I would hope that Apple could enable DP2.0 capability from the Thunderbolt 3/4 ports on devices via software?

But maybe this is all still just a pipe dream...
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Mhmm, that would be a nice trick, but likely you could not transfer USB that way anymore? And it would be breaking so many standards, compatibility would be a huge issue, if even possible.
 
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I like my XDR but I would like a second XDR-ish display that is 27" so that I can rotate it into portrait mode. You can't do that except with the Pro Stand which the Studio Display doesn't support. I really don't want to have to move to a VESA arm.
 
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zack123 said:
Using compression will lead to image degradation, always. Especially with real time compression and decompression.
DSC is for huge signage displays and stuff, not when your face is inches away from the screen.

Mhmm, that would be a nice trick, but likely you could not transfer USB that way anymore? And it would be breaking so many standards, compatibility would be a huge issue, if even possible.
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I don't see why not. Use three lanes of 20Gbps for outbound video data to the display, keep one 20Gbps lane for USB inbound data.
Plus, the only devices Apple need it to be compatible with are Apple devices, which can know how to communicate. Like they say the new Apple Studio Display supports PCs, but doesn't support Center Stage (even though the entire reason for the A13 chip in the display is for Center Stage and Spatial Audio...), they could say "Additional USB port(s) only work in macOS/iOS"
 
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MacRumors said:
Apple plans to launch a "Pro" version of its new Studio Display in June of this year that measures 27-inches and has mini-LED and ProMotion, according to well-respected display analyst Ross Young.
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I remember we were discussing a new iMac design with M1 Pro/Max SoC, also the possibility of a dual M1 Max. Now seeing the difference in cooling that the M1 ultra requires, I wonder if any future IMac will be able to encompass that or if Apple would even market that as too costly a product bundle with a 27” mini-LED promotion display? Pricing could be excessive compared to previous iMac releases with different options.
 
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What’s the reason for all 3 monitors existing? Will this be a replacement for the current XDR display?

Also, will we ever get a consumer level display from apple?
 
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Mac Fly (film) said:
iMac Pro is coming next year.
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I'm not convinced.

Is a bigger iMac coming back? Maybe. Maybe not. The 24 is right in the middle of the 21 and 27 that preceded it, and it's about as big as it gets for most consumers. The 27 would be barely an upgrade over that, and 30 inches would definitely be a pro model. But we already have higher-end configurations of the Mac mini (I expect the M2 will go higher, and the 10GigE option is very much a pro thing), the Mac Studio, and soon the Mac Pro. Plus, of course, the MacBooks Pro. I'm not sure Apple sees a need for four pro desktop Macs.

Right now, there's a bit of a gap between the highest Mac mini and lowest Mac Studio configuration. But once that is closed, what problem does an iMac Pro solve?
 
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Kierkegaarden said:
I don’t think a new pro-level monitor would be at the level of the XDR but only cheaper. The XDR compares to much more expensive reference monitors at a fraction of the cost.
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I don't think it does. The density is nowhere near enough to match the sort of displays it was compared against in Apple's presentation.

I rather see it as a fairly early mini-LED implementation that's comparable to what we're starting to see in spirit in latest TVs or cheaper monitors. I would have thought that 2022 was precisely the year when such thing would start to land below the $2000 mark. Well, actually, this is the year when it's happening, only not at Apple apparently.

Let's hope we'll soon see a mini-LED version at a sensible price then.
 
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UltimateSyn said:
Well, ****. I guess I have to cancel my order and wait, then. Ross is highly accurate. It’s very strange to me that they would launch such a significantly upgraded product so shortly after the Studio Display’s initial launch, though. I’d imagine this is going to lead to a lot of scorned buyers.
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The price on this thing is going to be outrageous. Curious why you went for the Studio instead of the XDR?
 
chucker23n1 said:
I'm not convinced.
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I can’t help you there. The two best Apple analysts in the world have said it’s coming.

You underestimate how many people value an AIO design. It may be counterintuitive to you, but having everything inside the display (even if you cannot upgrade it) is a selling point to many. I personally prefer it.

27” iMac will be Pro only now. Greedy Apple, but there ya go.
 
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T'hain Esh Kelch said:
This not correct. Thunderbolt 4 support Displayport 2.0 over DisplayPort Alt Mode 2.0.
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Ah yes, true, well actually USB 4, but that should not matter in a proper Thunderbolt implementation.
But there won't be much leftover for data, so ports on the screen will be limited in speed.
Might also explain the really expensive cables that Apple released, making sure that 80 Gbps transfers work.
 
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staypuftforums said:
Sadly, I think the Studio display is Apple’s idea of a consumer level display.
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It’s Apple’s cheapest display, but it’s definitely not intended for the average consumer. It is simply their display to get as much money as they can from people who cannot afford the XDR.
 
Mac Fly (film) said:
You underestimate how many people value an AIO design. It may be counterintuitive to you, but having everything inside the display (even if you cannot upgrade it) is a selling point to many. I personally prefer it.

27” iMac will be Pro only now. Greedy Apple, but there ya go.
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See, I would have believed that up until this week, but I would also have believed that the Mac Studio was going to replace the Mac Pro, and it doesn't. So they'll have the mini, Studio, Pro and iMac, and given that the vast majority of Macs are laptops, that's already quite a broad selection for Apple.
 
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staypuftforums said:
The price on this thing is going to be outrageous. Curious why you went for the Studio instead of the XDR?
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Mostly a financial decision. And I actually prefer 27” screens over 30+”. And the built-in speakers and camera / microphone.

If this new display is the same $5,000+ as the current XDR, then it’s a non-starter for me. However, I would pay an extra ~$1,000 to get mini-LED and ProMotion in the Studio Display. And I’d be willing to wait two months for it.
 
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I remember when Apple came out with LCD screens that were way ahead of the current curve and still beat most others in terms of price. If you bought a Cinema Display then, you knew you were getting the best the market had to offer at a fairly competitive price. Now you still get a great display, but at a price that cannot but make you feel ripped off. The transition started with the third iteration unibody design 24 inch Cinema Display that had entry level screen light bleed especially at the bottom bezel and bottom corners. Ironically, the actually looked a bit like a cinema stage that has its screen/curtain illuminated at the bottom before the movie starts. I had to swap several of these as DOA cases (lugging them from the store and back) until I was finally fed up and got the display returned and an apology from Apple. Since then I do not see Apple displays as valid options anymore, and the new price points certainly do nothing to convince me otherwise.
 
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