I would hope that in 2 years of development they have achieved a little more than just changing the style of the drop down menu...Surely that would take someone an afternoon ?
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They'll wait till 2020 and call it Mac OS XX!
And then in 2045 they'll replace Mac OS XX with OS XXX in which which the only upgrade will be an automatic porngetter so that you'll actually have to upgrade your disk at some point...
leopard needs to include ilife,
look at vista,its got multimedia player, and graphics program already install, true the programs windows includes arent exactly the best(mspaint anyone?)but for me at least a clean install of osx looks very empty,
also leopard will include some awesome new features(we will know soon engough)
look at vista: microsoft are saying there are over 150 new features, ask most users to name the new features and most will only name 2:
1.Flip 3d effect (which sucks)
2.The new aero theme
so far leopard has spaces,boot camp and time machine
all the secret features are yet to be announced, which will beat the crap out of what windows 2011 has to offer.
look at vista,its got multimedia player, and graphics program already install, true the programs windows includes arent exactly the best(mspaint anyone?)but for me at least a clean install of osx looks very empty,
also leopard will include some awesome new features(we will know soon engough)
look at vista: microsoft are saying there are over 150 new features, ask most users to name the new features and most will only name 2:
1.Flip 3d effect (which sucks)
2.The new aero theme
so far leopard has spaces,boot camp and time machine
all the secret features are yet to be announced, which will beat the crap out of what windows 2011 has to offer.
Actually a 3D thing was already tested by Apple once...it was called Project X...gladly it didn't come to fruition.
Wasn't Project-X also a movie with Matthew Broderick where superintelligent chimpanzees escaped on an airplane?
I noticed that blue toned type interface since the new iTunes that has them as the scroll bars instead of the Aqua scroll bars. I use to wonder how Apple could drop the ball and make that not match the rest of OS X's UI, but if it is to be in Leopard then it would make sense. I think it is ugly though, I like the Aqua buttons MUCH MORE. Doesn't anybody else think the blue toned UI is just flat, dull, and ugly?
Yeah, that would make for an interesting OSX theme - I'm glad you made the connection...It would explain the system wide integration of core animation as the only serious technique available to enable photo realistic monkeys to run loose across the desktop, being chased by mathew broderick in a lab coat and glasses. I can see this helping in all kinds of new and inventive ways : monkeys turning up randomly to fold down menus, jumping up and down in excitment when downloads are finished, running up and grabbing folders and jumping into the Trash Can with them, Mathew using one of those big rope nets instead of lasso'ing multiple files - they could strangely turn into monkeys as they are 'netted', - you know the kind of thing. Maybe they could integrate a 'Planet of the Apes' expansion pack and we could have Charlton Heston ride in and thump the ground whilst berating us all to be 'b*stards'.
I wonder how Steve got it past the board ?
I wonder how Steve got it past the board ?
He probably just bragged about having invented the iPhone, and wowed them enough so they'd say yes to anything.
Yes. There was a large negative reaction to the iTunes interface, and a list of hacks popped up rather quickly to turn it back. It's one thing for an app like Uno to replace the aging brushed metal look, but you know there's an outcry when Uno replaces the brand new iTunes theme with the old one.
I personally hate the new iTunes look. It's very muddy.
Jurassic Park???
Sorry, but what UI in Jurassic Park are you guys talking about? Which movie and what part?
Thanks
Sorry, but what UI in Jurassic Park are you guys talking about? Which movie and what part?
Thanks
That new iTunes look seriously looks like some flat, dull, ugly PC interface, that's all I can explain it as, FLAT, UGLY, DULL, NON-COLORFUL, FUGLY. THe Aqua interface and buttons are one the the most prominant beautiful features of OS X that people always recognize. Any movie, tv show, etc. that wants something on a computer to look beautiful shows it in the OS X interface NOT Windows, and now our itnerface is gunna flat dull and ugly just like theirs? PLEASE NO STEVE... I mean they do the blue thing even alot on apple.com now, but even there it looks more glossy and better, iTunes is just flat and ugly, lol ok i think i made my point
Rumours and suspicions abound with regard to the secret functionality that Apple has held back from public announcement in relation to it’s forthcoming release of OSX 10.5 Leopard.
Steve Job’s mocked at WWDC ’06 that the reason some details were held back from public announcement was to prevent the competition, aka Microsoft, from being able to copy these secrets into what was, at the time, the impending finalisation of Windows Vista. I do love that line “Redmond, start your photocopiers.” though.
So why didn’t Steve announce the complete functionality of OS X 10.5 at WWDC - was it really to stop Microsoft copying some “new and you beaut” technology in the weeks between WWDC and Windows Vista RTM version? Of course not. We all know that was just some PR.
Could it have been because Apple was unsure whether the secret bits would not be finished in time to meet the release deadlines? Possibly, but I don’t think so - and I’ll explain why later. So we’ve just about ruled out competitive pressures and product feature completion as the reasons behind Apple not announcing the full functionality of OS X 10.5 Leopard.
And then along comes the iPhone announcement at Macworld. But! At WWDC there was not even a mention of Mac’s by Apple nor of OS X 10.5 Leopard. Apple, Steve, was conspicuously silent on both subjects except a brief mention that the transition to Intel had been completed ahead of schedule. That was it.
And where are we, as Apple product consumers, now (late March ‘07)? We still know nothing further of the secret features of OS X 10.5 Leopard, and a variety of forecasters are suggesting that all Mac models are overdue for upgrades.
Furthermore, iLife ’07 and iWork ’07 are due - and again not a word exists in the aether as to their release dates or possible functionality - save the spreadsheet and, less likely, database rumours. So why hasn’t Apple announced any of its secrets? Vista’s been released so what the heck!
There must be a legitimate and cogent business rationale for not disclosing what it is about OS X 10.5 Leopard that is so secret that announcing it early would create unrealistic expectations in the market that will not be met, or that announcing the full functionality would have harmed income and profit between the time of announcement and the time of release to market.
My vivid belief is that Apple has held back on all, but some innocuous, functionality announcements regarding OS X 10.5 Leopard for fear of creating such an expectation, anticipation and demand for an unreleased product that income and profit would suffer significantly between the period from the announcement to the release.
OS X 10.5 Leopard will introduce, in my opinion, a revolutionary user interface on a new line of Mac hardware models that will not require, but can use, a keyboard and a mouse. For support of this “guess” have a look at the way OS X has been implemented on the iPhone. Also have a look at Jeff Han’s presentation on revolutionary computer - human interfaces. The similarities are striking - and relevant.
I intentionally used the words “revolutionary UI” in the above paragraph. That is exactly what Steve Job’s said about OS X on the iPhone. Why would this sort of interface be made available by Apple ONLY on the iPhone. Why not capitalise on this multiple-touch sensitive screen on all Apple models with a screen.
Of course this type of human-computer interface cannot be tested on anything but a computer with a touch sensitive screen in the vein of the iPhone or the screen technology used by Jeff Han in his presentation. Hence all developer seeds of OS X 10.5 do not include this revolutionary UI. It can’t be used by them, why include it.
Steve even alluded to this in the iPhone Keynote - saying that Apple had tried a variety of technologies before settling on the one implemented in the iPhone. Why would Apple amortise the cost of such research only on the iPhone?
A simple look at the facets Apple has included in OS X 10.5 are pointers:
iMacs, Macbooks and Macbook Pros are all due for upgrades - if you are one who subscribes to a time based model for hardware upgrades.
If my guesses above are anywhere near the truth, then it follows that if Apple had announced this revolutionary UI at WWDC ’06, or anytime before product release, sales of Mac hardware would have fallen off significantly while consumers waited for OS X 10.5 Leopard to be finalised and released. An announcement of this kind would have dramatically affected the transition to Intel, and also the conversion of many Windows users to Mac / OS X users.
A couple of other rumours are germaine:
Apple is a company in business. They do things for business and not emotive reasons. An announcement of such functionality in OS X 10.5 Leopard, or a major hardware model change (multiple-touch sensitive screens) would have impacted its bottom line significantly and weakened dramatically the impact of the Intel transition, and consequent switchers from Windows to OS X.
Is OS X Leopard a Windows Vista killer? No question of it, provided you, the consumer, have the hardware to support its revolutionary new interface.
So, thats it for me this autumn afternoon on the patio ... time for another cold beer!
(Posted in 2 other Macrumors forums)
PS: Are we really suggesting that Apple is holding off on Leopard because they are doing something like a Shapeshifter theme - which is under wraps, or a different colored drop down list, or menu backgrounds? Is that what bloggers, analysts etc are intimating? I hold the view we need to think much bigger.
Steve Job’s mocked at WWDC ’06 that the reason some details were held back from public announcement was to prevent the competition, aka Microsoft, from being able to copy these secrets into what was, at the time, the impending finalisation of Windows Vista. I do love that line “Redmond, start your photocopiers.” though.
So why didn’t Steve announce the complete functionality of OS X 10.5 at WWDC - was it really to stop Microsoft copying some “new and you beaut” technology in the weeks between WWDC and Windows Vista RTM version? Of course not. We all know that was just some PR.
Could it have been because Apple was unsure whether the secret bits would not be finished in time to meet the release deadlines? Possibly, but I don’t think so - and I’ll explain why later. So we’ve just about ruled out competitive pressures and product feature completion as the reasons behind Apple not announcing the full functionality of OS X 10.5 Leopard.
And then along comes the iPhone announcement at Macworld. But! At WWDC there was not even a mention of Mac’s by Apple nor of OS X 10.5 Leopard. Apple, Steve, was conspicuously silent on both subjects except a brief mention that the transition to Intel had been completed ahead of schedule. That was it.
And where are we, as Apple product consumers, now (late March ‘07)? We still know nothing further of the secret features of OS X 10.5 Leopard, and a variety of forecasters are suggesting that all Mac models are overdue for upgrades.
Furthermore, iLife ’07 and iWork ’07 are due - and again not a word exists in the aether as to their release dates or possible functionality - save the spreadsheet and, less likely, database rumours. So why hasn’t Apple announced any of its secrets? Vista’s been released so what the heck!
There must be a legitimate and cogent business rationale for not disclosing what it is about OS X 10.5 Leopard that is so secret that announcing it early would create unrealistic expectations in the market that will not be met, or that announcing the full functionality would have harmed income and profit between the time of announcement and the time of release to market.
My vivid belief is that Apple has held back on all, but some innocuous, functionality announcements regarding OS X 10.5 Leopard for fear of creating such an expectation, anticipation and demand for an unreleased product that income and profit would suffer significantly between the period from the announcement to the release.
OS X 10.5 Leopard will introduce, in my opinion, a revolutionary user interface on a new line of Mac hardware models that will not require, but can use, a keyboard and a mouse. For support of this “guess” have a look at the way OS X has been implemented on the iPhone. Also have a look at Jeff Han’s presentation on revolutionary computer - human interfaces. The similarities are striking - and relevant.
I intentionally used the words “revolutionary UI” in the above paragraph. That is exactly what Steve Job’s said about OS X on the iPhone. Why would this sort of interface be made available by Apple ONLY on the iPhone. Why not capitalise on this multiple-touch sensitive screen on all Apple models with a screen.
Of course this type of human-computer interface cannot be tested on anything but a computer with a touch sensitive screen in the vein of the iPhone or the screen technology used by Jeff Han in his presentation. Hence all developer seeds of OS X 10.5 do not include this revolutionary UI. It can’t be used by them, why include it.
Steve even alluded to this in the iPhone Keynote - saying that Apple had tried a variety of technologies before settling on the one implemented in the iPhone. Why would Apple amortise the cost of such research only on the iPhone?
A simple look at the facets Apple has included in OS X 10.5 are pointers:
- Core Animation
- Resolution Independence
- Garbage Collection
- XCode 3.0 (not released because to do so would give away the UI API's)
iMacs, Macbooks and Macbook Pros are all due for upgrades - if you are one who subscribes to a time based model for hardware upgrades.
If my guesses above are anywhere near the truth, then it follows that if Apple had announced this revolutionary UI at WWDC ’06, or anytime before product release, sales of Mac hardware would have fallen off significantly while consumers waited for OS X 10.5 Leopard to be finalised and released. An announcement of this kind would have dramatically affected the transition to Intel, and also the conversion of many Windows users to Mac / OS X users.
A couple of other rumours are germaine:
- Apple building a tablet PC. Well this is close to the mark but not quite on the money.
- OS X 10.5 Leopard is a 3D operating system (well Finder). Again this is close to but not quite the whole story.
Apple is a company in business. They do things for business and not emotive reasons. An announcement of such functionality in OS X 10.5 Leopard, or a major hardware model change (multiple-touch sensitive screens) would have impacted its bottom line significantly and weakened dramatically the impact of the Intel transition, and consequent switchers from Windows to OS X.
Is OS X Leopard a Windows Vista killer? No question of it, provided you, the consumer, have the hardware to support its revolutionary new interface.
So, thats it for me this autumn afternoon on the patio ... time for another cold beer!
(Posted in 2 other Macrumors forums)
PS: Are we really suggesting that Apple is holding off on Leopard because they are doing something like a Shapeshifter theme - which is under wraps, or a different colored drop down list, or menu backgrounds? Is that what bloggers, analysts etc are intimating? I hold the view we need to think much bigger.
Ooh, chimpanzee that! It's monkeynews here at MacRumors!
Thing is, the folks at Apple read the rumour sites - Steve Jobs has referenced them himself several times, he even did so at the MWSF07 keynote with the dial-based iPhone mockup; a joke that's been kicking around the web for years. They also know that people are going rumour crazy - and that's great for business. So we work ourselves into a little frenzy and then they drop the bomb when we're least expecting it, capitalizing on a frenzy that has cost them precisely nothing.
I think Leopard could go either way - either this is going to be an absolutely gigantic announcement (which would make sense if it was tied to iPhone technology, seeing as the iPhone was still rumorware at that point and the iPhone and Leopard appear to be dropping at around the same time) or it's going to be one or two new pieces of software, some iPhone integration, and the allusion to something massive in 10.6.
The iPhone may have a bigger part to play in all this than any of us think, though. I can just see the secret features being these massive iPhone integrations that not only make 10.5 a compelling upgrade, but also make us disgruntled MacWorld cynics into hardened iPhone followers.
When the revolution comes it will come quickly and without warning. ...Like all revolutions there will be, metaphorically speaking, bloodshed and empires will fall. And just like the rise of the original personal computer the old guard will not even recognise the future when it is offered to them across a table for free.
Is this about to happen ? pphhooowwweey, I hope so...
You obviously believe Apple, ahem sorry, Steve is still the revolutionary and that he has the BALLS to step out into the unknown with 10.5? Risking the entire pot on the turn of a card ?
WOW - now that would be exciting!...
It would make Daniel Craigs' James Bond look like a pussycat compared to Steve Jobs.
Again not being to preoccupied with board room politcs I can imagine that conversation
SJ: "I say we go all in and abandon keyboards and mice altogether...we either win now or I pack it all up and open a boutique on Venice beach selling Turtlenecks. So fella's - what's it going to be ? Are we going to kick some techno butt here today or not ?"
The most hilarious part is I can genuinely see him pointing a black leather gloved hand at some board room dissenter and saying 'I find your lack of faith disturbing'
Nope. I am not suggesting thats the strategy now. That would mean dumping all legacy hardware platforms - including my loverly G5 iMac.
I am suggesting that the traditional and the revolutionary will be made available.
And as for the Steve 'reality distortion field' - I live in Australia. Like we care .... LOL
Living in Australia's not going to save you - look at your post - it's the worst of us all for wild speculation
I think the solar winds are, if anything, amplifying Steve's RDF as it sweeps through the etheric undercurrents of the modern world on it's way to Oz.
I bet your sat in front of your mac right now in your Apple logo'd underpants, beer in one hand, mouse in the other, eyeballs rolled up in the back of your head, convulsing as you recieve the incoming pyschic thought stream of Steve's future plans.
LOL!...
True true ....
Must be time for another beer then. Truth is I'm working - and its now 8:52PM on a Friday night!
Vista's actually got some stuff I wouldn't mind seeing in Leopard - those video wallpapers? They're classy as hell.
Video wallpaper has been available for OS X through 3rd party apps for some time. The biggest problem with them is that they are massive resource hogs.
All I have to say is THANK YOU!!! I think you are very possibly right and you got me sooooo excited
I was just looking at the iPhone and it seems so stupid to think that Leopard's UI is not going to look and be like that. Do we really think Apple would not be consistant in their design? Come on haha!The time has come for the rise of Apple in all the world
IM SO EXCITED, wow this is going to be interesting to watch pan out. Time to buy lots of stock