Do you know you can fix that right? Just turn the mouse over on a mouse pad, and push down HARD on the mouse and rub it up and down on the scroll wheel. It should fix the junk underneath the south pin...Works for me every time...You need to warn a fellow as to what that does! lol, My mighty mouse scroll ball only works in the up direction(zooming in)!So I couldn't get back! Luckly I have a spare one that does work.
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3d Interfaces for Leopard?
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I knew the display inverse trick, but that Zoom scroll ball thing: is that new to 10.4.9?
Regardless, would this not be handy with resolution independence or am I just talking out of my @ss?
3D UI? fake,
how do u define "3D UI", animated operations? Vista has it, Tiger has it, Leopard probably has more of it, so what?
IHMO, 3D UI is more like the XGL in linux, neither Vista nor OSX really provide that capability and "3D-ish effects" yet. and I don't expect leopard can do better than that.
how do u define "3D UI", animated operations? Vista has it, Tiger has it, Leopard probably has more of it, so what?
IHMO, 3D UI is more like the XGL in linux, neither Vista nor OSX really provide that capability and "3D-ish effects" yet. and I don't expect leopard can do better than that.
That's a deceptive way of putting it. Which "users" are you talking about? Linux is not user-friendly for computer neophytes. It is the single MOST user-friendly OS for advanced computer users. By the same token, OS X is user friendly for basic users (although ironically, 99.9% of mac users I know don't really know how to *close* an application under OS X - they think just killing the window does the job), but can be confining (user unfriendly) for more advanced users. I now prefer Linux for a lot of stuff because it is *infinitely* more hackable/flexible than OS X.
There are keyboard shortcuts in case it ever happens again... Cmd-alt-= and Cmd-alt-- ... but if your - key isn't working either, I suppose that would still be a problem. How about System Preferences -> Universal Access -> Zoom?You need to warn a fellow as to what that does! lol, My mighty mouse scroll ball only works in the up direction(zooming in)!
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i think i found out another little hint of what leopard will look like!
tell me if im wrong:
go to: http://www.adobe.com/products/fireworks/features/
and watch - "common library" notice that the drop down box is an aqua normal one
then watch - "Symbol properties panel" notice its a more..itunes 7.1 style drop down box?! wierd huh?
i assume that adobe and apple are quite close and adobe must be given advanced copies so they can make sure cs3 will work with leopard.
(altough the box hes dragging components from is a m$ window??? - now im really confused by it all)
thoughts? opinions?
Uh... that's just a design program, from what I can tell. It is running on XP, actually.
I'd say it would be called OS XI Version 11.1 etc.
OR, more likeley, give it a whole new name.
If they can produce a huge tech jump in Leopard, then maybe it's a good sign that they are sticking to OSX branding and not intending on just little incremental upgrades like we have seen to date.
My 2c.....
I think one of the secret apps will be a super duper core animated iPhoto/iLife suite.
Psi
OR, more likeley, give it a whole new name.
If they can produce a huge tech jump in Leopard, then maybe it's a good sign that they are sticking to OSX branding and not intending on just little incremental upgrades like we have seen to date.
do you think a feature like this would be better suited for mac osx 11.0? Or would this be a response/reaction to vista?
speaking of which....
when do we expect osx 11.0 ?
My 2c.....
I think one of the secret apps will be a super duper core animated iPhoto/iLife suite.
Psi
There were (among others):
Panther
Tiger
Königstiger (King Tiger)
Jagdpanther (hunting panther)
Jagdtiger (hunting tiger)
Marder (Weasel)
Nashorn (Rhino)
German main battle tanks were and are named after big cats, like Apple does with their OS'es
An interesting historical curiosity is the Super-heavy Panzer VIII Maus
Sorry for off-topic post
By the way, the Tiger tanks were simply awesome, and probably the best in WWII, despite their complex machinery...its enemies had to put flak battery after flak battery just to knock them out...
The eastern tank campaign was only won by the Russians at the end because of 3 main factors:
- sheer number of tanks as per the lend-lease programs;
- new Josef Stalin tank with improved armor;
- disruption of german logistics.
End of off-topic part 2...
You said it right...for "advanced users"...this rules 99% of the world out.
Linux sucks big time because of its cryptic "back-office" configuration and endless confusion of distros...no thanks.
3d Interfaces for Leopard?
I was wondering when Apple would get around to it. I think it was in the late 1990's when Sun first demo'd Project Looking Glass. It is a 3D operating system. I don't know what ever became ov it but here's a link to the demo. http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml
I expected Apple to pickup on this idea a long time ago.
I was wondering when Apple would get around to it. I think it was in the late 1990's when Sun first demo'd Project Looking Glass. It is a 3D operating system. I don't know what ever became ov it but here's a link to the demo. http://www.sun.com/software/looking_glass/demo.xml
I expected Apple to pickup on this idea a long time ago.
Well there is two differences. The Tiger was the last WWII tank. Leopard is a much more modern tank. And of course so far there is nothing after this. Could this be a foreshadowing of the end? After this is OS 11, with the crazy 3D interface. No more german tanks. No more OS X. Or it could just be that Leopard that now is going to be 3d due to it being a Moern day tank, ages away from the Tiger.
Dont you love crazy conspiracy theories? Only for Apple computers.
99% can seem pretty deceptive to. If you know 10 people and 9 of them are ignorant as to the proper quit procedure, this is nothing really significant enough to consider. All of the mac users I've ever encountered, let alone know personally, know how to properly close an application. Anyone who has owned a mac for more than a day learns how to do this. Some if not most actually learn by observing the dock, which is in hide-off mode by default. How is application>quit or a two key combo really confining for an "advanced" user?
Too dubious to be real. Linux has great appeal to some, but the crowd it currently pleases most will most likely always be in the minority, as the average user flat out refuses to learn the coding and other cybergobbledegook involved with learning Linux. Vista is basically XP Circus edition, which uses a window shuffling system that is both counterintuitive and time consuming. It actually makes me dread opening multiple documents in the same application. Ironically enough, the application tab in the tool bar works much better, despite the deficit of eye candy. How you ranked it #2 is highly suspect. All of that superfluous image distortion and meaningless flash n' animation is hypnotizing to say the least. In the end it's nothing more than an experiment with how far one can go to make interactive pieces of stained glass fly around on a desktop despite the serious sacrifice of elegance.
It's not. That wasn't the point of my post, just an aside. And I can think of four examples:
1) My wife, a newspaper reporter, never "quits" her apps. She just kills the windows. I've explained it to her several times, but it's not intuitive for her.
2) Newspaper staff where she works. All Mac users. Same thing.
3) My boss in the lab. Long-time Mac user. Same thing.
4) Go to the computer lab on campus. Look at the iMacs after everyone has left. No windows open, but apple-tab and you'll see 6-10 apps open.
Just my observations. If the Mac was the god of the user-friendliness world, I don't think I'd have had these observations.
99% of beginners on macs do not know how to install/uninstall an app.
Im still hoping for compiz/beryl in leopard(xgl etc)
its not like they dont have access to the source code,
Im still hoping for compiz/beryl in leopard(xgl etc)
its not like they dont have access to the source code,
This sounds like a matter of conditioning than anything else. I've been using the systems since OS 9 but at the same time used Windows systems since 95, so I haven't had trouble learning this. Because one cannot grasp the concept of a different method of closing an application, it doesn't necessarily make the implementation counterintuitive.
There are a few exceptions though. Some small apps do close by killing windows. So far the only apps I've encountered that do this are MactheRipper, Handbrake, Dictionary, PhotoBooth and I think there are a few more, but it's not many.
There are a few exceptions though. Some small apps do close by killing windows. So far the only apps I've encountered that do this are MactheRipper, Handbrake, Dictionary, PhotoBooth and I think there are a few more, but it's not many.
I'd have agreed with you even a year ago, but that's really not the case anymore. Average users can be quite at home, if they can get around the "conditioning" you talk about.
How is it suspect? Vista was the second of the three major OSs to have "3D" interface elements available. Linux was the first, and OS X will be the last. Makes sense to me.
Kill a window? You mean close?
Also what does it matter that applications are running? In fact not having to thinking about if an application is running or not is an improvement.
iLife is One App
Maybe they will make iLife be one app that can be rotated around etc to reveal the other parts of the application (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD etc)... Instead of closing and opening a program.. just drag the project along over to the next side of the iApp cube
Maybe they will make iLife be one app that can be rotated around etc to reveal the other parts of the application (iPhoto, iMovie, iDVD etc)... Instead of closing and opening a program.. just drag the project along over to the next side of the iApp cube
Whaa?? Linux isn't #1 just because there are some 3D UI features out there (mostly of the useless-only-trying-to-impress-other-geeks kind of stuff.) Let's be look at the bigger picture here. You can't even run Office or Photoshop natively on Linux. When Linux starts getting major productivity apps long before Macs, then we can start declaring it #1 and deciding whether or not Apple has lost their edge.
i think apple is going to implement their equivalent of compiz or beryl. that stuff on linux is pretty cool, but is a pain in the butt to implement. those are some cool features that i bet they are going to implement in leopard. 3D desktops are going to be just the beginning.