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I said, "I would think". Are you of the opinion that identical twins, or any siblings or close family members, cannot easily borrow each others phones. Certainly those that live in the same house or see each other regularly.
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And is it possible for you to borrow your brother's phone?
I would think is still not a statement of fact. My kids are identical I'm going to have them participate in an anecdotal version of this "test" just for laughs.
 
Almost no one in the world is concerned about that sort of security stuff. Android smartphones will always continue to outsell iPhones by a huge margin even if Android smartphones get fooled by a head of lettuce. It's not about security. It's about companies who can sell lower-priced products to the masses and Apple will never be such a company. I think most consumers on the planet will happily give up security for cheaper products. Apple will always come out on the short end as they continue to raises prices every year.

Anyone who thinks Apple will be praised for having secure Face ID will be sorely disappointed. There are people still complaining about how Face ID is a few milliseconds slower than Touch ID or that they have to pick up their iPhone to read the face. It's always something to whine about. Everyone hates the iPhone notch which houses the Face ID sensors, so many people wish Face ID would just go away in order to get rid of the notch. Stop thinking Apple has an advantage over other smartphone manufacturers. If Apple can't sell enough iPhones, it doesn't matter how secure iPhones are and Apple will be considered nothing but a crappy company. That's already been proven a number of times.

It seems as though most people want under-the-display fingerprint recognition and Apple doesn't offer that in an iPhone. Because of that missing feature, Apple is considered a non-innovating, tech-laggard company. End of story.
 
Don’t be surprise if other companies release smartphones with face id. That’s what happened with fingerprint tech. They waited for the technology to become mainstream and started making phones with fingerprint sensor in them.
 
According to farewelwiliams the company that did this cheated in a sense - so yes, Apple does things the right way.

The mask doesn't even look like a real human face, the iPhone should not even be capable of being programmed to unlock with it in the first place. Brutal. This is truly the wrong way when even a chimpanzee with half a brain can see it's not a real human face, but the iPhone can't. :D:D:D
 
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I know my kids can borrow each other’s phones. We’ll see about Face ID though. Should be good for laughs, as this thread is a comical one. Right?
Who said anything about fooling FaceId? You questioned me stating that identical twins can easily borrow each others phones. The importance of this is that identical twins can fool FaceID, by Apples own admission. I don't know what percentage can, but some can. And that is a potential problem for the ones that can, because it is easy for twins to borrow phones if they wanted to misuse that capability. Like I said, you need to improve your reading skills.
 
Who said anything about fooling FaceId? You questioned me stating that identical twins can easily borrow each others phones. The importance of this is that identical twins can fool FaceID, by Apples own admission. I don't know what percentage can, but some can. And that is a potential problem for the ones that can, because it is easy for twins to borrow phones if they wanted to misuse that capability. Like I said, you need to improve your reading skills.
Can is the operative word, not will. Which is to say I have the perfect test subjects.

Any more insults I’ll report your posts.
 
Okay, but unless you are some sort of spy working for a government, who is going to make a 3d printed face of you to get into your phone?
 
Okay, but unless you are some sort of spy working for a government, who is going to make a 3d printed face of you to get into your phone?

The same people who would buy a Toyota truck to move their retired Space Shuttle. It’s a stunt, not one put on by Apple but one put on by a website trying to attract readers. It wasn’t MEANT to be a practical means of unlocking a phone, it was meant to attract viewers.
 
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The same people who would buy a Toyota truck to move their retired Space Shuttle. It’s a stunt, not one put on by Apple but one put on by a website trying to attract readers. It wasn’t MEANT to be a practical means of unlocking a phone, it was meant to attract viewers.
I know, but people look to that and say “see, look how insecure this technology is!”, when obviously it’s only insecure to the most outlandish (or rarer situations like twins). That’s like saying the locks on our doors are insecure because someone can kick a door down. It’s all relative, and much like those door locks it is a middle ground between convenience and total impenetrable security.
 
I know, but people look to that and say “see, look how insecure this technology is!”, when obviously it’s only insecure to the most outlandish (or rarer situations like twins). That’s like saying the locks on our doors are insecure because someone can kick a door down. It’s all relative, and much like those door locks it is a middle ground between convenience and total impenetrable security.

Yes, and the trade-off for FaceID being as secure as a fingerprint reader is hundreds of dollars additional cost and a massive notch.
 
Yes, and the trade-off for FaceID being as secure as a fingerprint reader is hundreds of dollars additional cost and a massive notch.

To get more screen/less bezel and something that works far faster? Totally worth it to me. I love Face ID (and I wasn’t sure I would!). And the notch isn’t massive to me either. Go look at a pixel 3 XL if you want to see that.
 
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I know, but people look to that and say “see, look how insecure this technology is!”, when obviously it’s only insecure to the most outlandish (or rarer situations like twins). That’s like saying the locks on our doors are insecure because someone can kick a door down. It’s all relative, and much like those door locks it is a middle ground between convenience and total impenetrable security.
There are things that Apple has done that I really don't agree with, but Face ID isn't one of those. It has worked well for me from day one.
 
The test as a current method of hacking into a smart phone wasn’t trying to be an example of a criminal or governmental method of hacking. It’s supposed to be taking an extreme case and showing which company or technology, if anyone, managed to prevent their system from being compromised when a top of the line attempt is used to try and fool it. It’s wasn’t meant to represent a valid way to do a system hack, it was meant to test how good all of the different facial recognition systems for phones currently are.

Who cares if the test has no basis in actual probability or reality? Let's drop all phones from the Eifel Tower to see which is least destryoed. This was a useless marketing story.
 
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That's why every android phone warns you about face recognition security concerns, when setting up face recognition, and a fingerprint is obligatory for banking apps, Google Pay etc

And THIS is why current iPhones are missing fingerprint sensors. They should be there, on the back. Won't buy another one until this returns.
 
Proof that apple remains the best, and does things the right way.

Let’s face it, Android is a big fake.

Let's be clear. The phone would have had to be on and unlocked for less than 24 hours even for Android.
This thing takes 3 days to make and isn't cheap.
If you are going through this much trouble to get the content, there are easier ways.
 
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Who cares if the test has no basis in actual probability or reality? Let's drop all phones from the Eifel Tower to see which is least destryoed. This was a useless marketing story.

I agree it's nothing more than a marketing story. Forbes put it out and I don't know if Forbes and Apple get along corporately or not. Either way, it was bound to generate interest. If Apple FaceID is either beaten or closely matched it will draw attention, and if not there are lots of Apple fans who are always looking to tout Apple superiority.

I like FaceID. I've had fewer problems with it than I did with TouchID, and I didn't have many with that. It works, it's more secure than '1234' or 'password'. But I wouldn't buy any brands phone just for that feature.
 
And THIS is why current iPhones are missing fingerprint sensors. They should be there, on the back. Won't buy another one until this returns.

iPhones have never had a touch ID sensor on the back, so there is nothing to “return” it too. Unless you would like bigger bezels again and have it returned to the front. And if so, they have an iphone 8 for you.
 
I think FaceID is more secure than Touch ID. It is easier to cut off someone’s finger than it is to cut off their head. Plus it’s easier to carry a severed finger than a head.
 
If he can jump platform willy nilly, that means he is not using any of the Apple services. He could’ve jumped into Windows Phone and it won’t matter. He probably values just the hardware, not the ecosystem.

Of course, it’s not like Apple stops selling iPhones with Touch ID. iPhone 7 and 8 are still for sale. So I smell more like a Pixel troll. :D
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Well isn’t that obvious? If you know the PIN, then it’s safe to say the iPhone assume you are the legit owner. If you tell people your PIN, even Touch ID won’t matter.
Can we now say that even “androids” (the human like robots) can also own an iPhone, set Face ID AND unlock it securely with Face ID ?
 
Can we now say that even “androids” (the human like robots) can also own an iPhone, set Face ID AND unlock it securely with Face ID ?
There’s a deep meaning in there, and we might see a movie with that theme.... :D
 
What's the point of that if you know the passcode anyway?
that's my point. i'm saying this demo is pointless because he needed the passcode to train Face ID so that it can be unlocked with the mask. face id is secure. so far, no mask has been able to unlock it.
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Why go through the trouble. If a hacker has your pin. They don't need the mask.
Like saying, my password is 55 characters long with all kinds of special symbols, not my name or anything that makes sense. But, I write it down on a post it next to my monitor and don't expect anyone to try it on my computer.

you're missing my point. dannyyankou is saying that a mask is able to fool Face ID. i'm saying it's not because the researcher cheated by using the passcode to train Face ID. no mask so far has been able to "fool" Face ID.
 
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