3G iPhone Due in 2008

[daze]

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phone should work with edge if no 3g

 

[compuguy1088]

UMTS is based on W-CDMA

it's very likely just different protocols

W-CDMA is the air interface:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Mobile_Telecommunications_System

I woudn't say the technology of CDMA is dead, but plain CDMA (Current Verizon) is a dieing trend. The only problem with 3g now is coverage, which is only here in the US limited to major metropolitan areas, like where I am. This though only stretches only to the end of the county I'm in. If your in the neighboring county, your out of luck for 3g.

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phone should work with edge if no 3g

Phones like the Blackjack do that if there is no 3g connection. There is also a hidden option on that phone to force the use of only edge as well, to increase battery life.

no 3G within 100 miles of me, bring on the better battery life with EDGE, screw 3G.

Then the phone would just fall back on an EDGE connection, and you would get that better battery life.

 

[Yankees 4 Life]

wow....

 

[plumbingandtech]

I believe it when i see it [regarding the Verizon 4G switch].

It does not matter if you believe it or not.

It's happening.

CDMA is a dead end and we won't be seeing an iphone built for a dead end tech, especially when it is wrapped up in a ATT (not CDMA clause'd) contract for the next 3-4 years.

 

[compuguy1088]

wow....
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Goodbye last week! Hello this week!

It does not matter if you believe it or not.

It's happening.

CDMA is a dead end and we won't be seeing an iphone built for a dead end tech, especially when it is wrapped up in a ATT (not CDMA clause'd) contract for the next 3-4 years.

The technology of CDMA is not dead (it is carried on with W-CDMA), its just that plain CDMA that Verizon uses is a dead end.

You could also say that GSM is at its end in a way, with the coming of UMTS, though that rollout will take a long time to occur.

 

[plumbingandtech]

The technology of CDMA is not dead (it is carried on with W-CDMA), its just that plain CDMA that Verizon uses is a dead end.

And he was speaking about an iPhone for Verizon. So true, I should have said, Verizon's CMDA implentation for mobile wireless is a dead end.... but long story short.

No iPhone for the "can you hear me now?" people.

 

[Yankees 4 Life]

Goodbye last week! Hello this week!

hahaha, i dont know, i feel like we are still in the dark ages with apple....

 

[Mykbibby]

What is your guys' problem? Quit bitching! When the iPhone first came out, everyone was screaming because there wasn't 3G, and now you're going to have it, and everyone's saying how much it doesn't matter? Besides, this is the best rumors we've had in a while. This is CONFIRMATION that a new iPhone is coming next year! And do you guys really think that 3G is all they'll introduce? I'm positive there will be more memory, it will be thinner, the headphone jack won't be recessed, the speaker will be good, and the camera's quality will be upped, maybe with a flash. This is the news we've been waiting for!

 

[bukweet]

3G is also EDGE compatible

Didn't know this... from the ATT site:

"All 3G compatible devices are also EDGE compatible providing the best combination of speed and coverage."

Bring on the 3G iPhones! I've had my iPhone for only a week, but the wife has been showing more and more interest in my new "toy".

 

[wizard]

3G is pointless, unless you are downloading 20 meg attachments (which I can guarantee you are not on your iPhone). EDGE is fast enough.

See this is the attitude that I personally hate about the Apple apologist. Just because you personally don't have a need for large attachments or have never received them doesn't mean that some of us here haven't. A couple high resolution photos or a PDF or two and you can easily exceed a 20 meg download. So don't go about guaranteeing what you don't know about.

One the other hand if Apple wold get its head out of its ass and complete the features the iPhone was suppose to have or should have had this becomes a far smaller issue. For example being able to manage the iPhones store through a disk mode interface. So in a sense I agree EDGE is pretty fast for a good portion of the uses a person will put it through, it just won't be fast enough for every demand.

In any event what the hell do I know I'm still on dial up. Which points out that a service is only as useful as the ability to provide it.

Dave

 

[unixwzrd]

UMTS is based on W-CDMA

it's very likely just different protocols

Actually, it's different frequency spectrum. At least the W-CDMA in Japan occupies different a different frequency spectrum from other countries.

I'm glad I can use my Japanese phone (Nokia N73) in the rest of the world. Very convenient.

The real item is who will Apple partner with, it's probably a toss-up between NTT and SoftBank.

My money is on SoftBank, but they are tight with Yahoo rather than Google.

 

[compuguy1088]

What is your guys' problem? Quit bitching! When the iPhone first came out, everyone was screaming because there wasn't 3G, and now you're going to have it, and everyone's saying how much it doesn't matter? Besides, this is the best rumors we've had in a while. This is CONFIRMATION that a new iPhone is coming next year! And do you guys really think that 3G is all they'll introduce? I'm positive there will be more memory, it will be thinner, the headphone jack won't be recessed, the speaker will be good, and the camera's quality will be upped, maybe with a flash. This is the news we've been waiting for!

I'm not moaning.....my iPhone now is perfectly fine for the uses that I do with it. Even though I am in a 3g area now, which is limited to a small percentage of NOVA/DC.

hahaha, i dont know, i feel like we are still in the dark ages with apple....

I don't think for me it's as much with Apple, it is with the cell carriers and the slow rollout of 3g here in the US. Obviously there is alot more territory to cover in rolling out this system, compared to Europe. We are pretty much in the dark ages in that area.

 

[question fear]

This is far from shocking.


And yes, CDMA is dead dead dead dead dead. The only places it survives are the USA, Canada, and parts of Asia...but Asia uses a different standard, and that standard is mutating into the W-CDMA/UMTS/3G GSM evolution.

It will take years, but Verizon and Sprint are on borrowed time. They need to evolve or perish.

 

[EagerDragon]

Guys remember that the 3G phone requires to go back to FCC for approval, so it will be announced first by Apple then made available 1 to 3 months later.

Given that this is the second round with the FCC it is likely to be only 4 weeks for the re-test and Apple may delay announcing until the tests are at least part of the way thru since the bigger the gap between announcement and ship date, the less phones they will sell as the old ones would be "defunct".

Jan or Feb announcement, available in March, thats my prediction.

 

[freeny]

Oh well, I won't switch from Verizon to spotty AT&T no matter what. Please Jobs come out with a CDMA version!!!!!!!!!!! Please!!!!!!!!!!

I continue to be completely dumbfounded as to the constant complaints about this carrier or that carrier,

They all suck! EQUALLY

 

[compuguy1088]

This is far from shocking.


And yes, CDMA is dead dead dead dead dead. The only places it survives are the USA, Canada, and parts of Asia...but Asia uses a different standard, and that standard is mutating into the W-CDMA/UMTS/3G GSM evolution.

It will take years, but Verizon and Sprint are on borrowed time. They need to evolve or perish.

With 3G GSM evolution, are you referring to "EDGE Evolution"?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution#EDGE_Evolution

I continue to be completely dumbfounded as to the constant complaints about this carrier or that carrier,

They all suck! EQUALLY

AT&T and Verizon suck equally, just in different areas. For example, AT&T sucks because of GSM having issues with building penetration (in some situations), while verizon (up until there recent announcement of opening there network) locks down certain phone features (bluetooth for example).

 

[kingtj]

re: EDGE network

Well, I'd hardly call the EDGE network "fast" ... but admittedly, it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. For years, I was stuck with "Smartphones" that basically connected with an internal dial-up modem connection ... so EDGE easily beats THAT experience.

I've also found that in some locations around town, EDGE seems really speedy, while other times, it's rather sluggish. All depends on which tower I happen to be connected to. Not sure if this is because AT&T only added more bandwidth to specific cell towers around here, or if it has to do with overall signal strength, or a combination of both.... but the experience is *radically* different depending on my location when I try using EDGE.

meh. good news i guess. i've actually been surprised at how fast the EDGE network actually is.


chase



buying a 24" imac in 2 weeks

 

[compuguy1088]

Well, I'd hardly call the EDGE network "fast" ... but admittedly, it's not as bad as some people make it out to be. For years, I was stuck with "Smartphones" that basically connected with an internal dial-up modem connection ... so EDGE easily beats THAT experience.

I've also found that in some locations around town, EDGE seems really speedy, while other times, it's rather sluggish. All depends on which tower I happen to be connected to. Not sure if this is because AT&T only added more bandwidth to specific cell towers around here, or if it has to do with overall signal strength, or a combination of both.... but the experience is *radically* different depending on my location when I try using EDGE.

On my campus, I've gotten around 190 Kbits/sec, though the tower is on campus (an old Cell One tower) and very close.

 

[SRSound]

Well shoot - I was planning on buying one this weekend and the "need-the-newest-and-best-thing" part of me just isnt going to let that happen anymore

 

[Stridder44]

You'll be waiting a long, long time. Prob. Never. CDMA is a dying standard as Verizon's partner has already stated that the next gen 4g? is going to ditch CDMA unless I am mistaken.

Exactly. CDMA works alright for now, but you'd have to be blind to think it has and future in mobile phones.

 

[wizard]

Reading some of these comments make me realize why Apple is so secretive of future products. Already we have had several people swear off iPhone buying till the next generation comes. Can't imagine that Steve is very happy at this moment.

In the case of the iPhone I don't really think it matters. For the vast majority of the users out there EDGE works fine. Further this just means that iPhone #1 can be sold at a lower price level. I see the current iPhone as being marketable for a very long rime as long as they keep up grading the flash storage.

As far as 3G goes. Meh. I would rather have GPS and more storage space. 3 G is far from ubiquitous here in the states and certainly not around where i live. It would be nice i gues, just make sure it doesn't affect battery life.

I'm with you on the storage space and flip flop on GPS. Frankly I'd rather that Apple finish the OS so that BlueTooth is all there. Then we could have our choice of BlueTooth GPS units and other BlueTooth devices. For GPS I freely admit that a built in Radio is better, but just want to point out that a finished OS offers up a lot of possibilities. My fear with GPS is that we end up with a half baked implementation just so it can be stuffed into the current form factor. I'd rather see a lager device that comfortably implements a good GPS radio (and provides a larger screen).

As to battery life I don't think there is a way around that. What Apple really needs with respect to this is an iPhone with a replaceable battery pack. This would vastly improve the attractiveness of the iPhone in the business world.

In a sense though you are right, 3G really doesn't offer up a lot and frankly has negatives at the moment. Features other than 3G have to be considered far more important.

Dave

 

[QCassidy352]

That's great news, but doesn't help us Denver folk since AT&T doesn't have 3g active here yet.

Boo

They'll be rolling it out to more and more places, and the fact that the iphone (one of the hottest phones in the US) will be going 3G probably indicates that they have good plans in that regard.

I'm far more interested in apple bringing out another iPhone product (nano-type) than an upgrade to the existing iPhone.

I too would love such a product. And then, make it compatible with the nike+ system and presto! I'm down to a single device (from iphone + nano)!

 

[Rojo]

I could care less about 3G, more storage space, or GPS. I'm holding out for a higher megapixel camera! Then I can TRULY have just one device in my pocket for everything. (Yeah I know the camera's decent, for a phone -- but I need something just a little bit better).

 

[fastlane1588]

it cant be that far off. apple knows the cell phone market is a quickly changing market and apple wants to be on top. in order to do that they have to have provide some sort of update every 6 or 8 months. look at what they already upgraded. the original iphone was 4 gb with a plastic screen. they already upgraded it once to 8gb and a glass screen. that 6-8 month time period is comming around again and its about time they come out with something to put them back ahead of all the other cell phones out there.

like apple said by the time the other guys try to match their products apple is already 3 steps ahead. and now people are getting to the point where they are somewhat matching the iphone, meaning right now apple is 3 steps ahead. Id say by spring of 08.

 

[ks-man]

Reading some of these comments make me realize why Apple is so secretive of future products. Already we have had several people swear off iPhone buying till the next generation comes.
Can't imagine that Steve is very happy at this moment.

Why isn't Steve very happy?

1) His stock is virtually at an all time high (probably something like 1500% higher than when he took over in 96.
2) He was rated the most powerful business person in America by Fortune.
3) Apple is viewed by the world as the company that sets the standard for technological innovation.
4) Mac market share has doubled in the past year and is growing rapidly.
5) His arch-enemy (Msoft) is now entering businesses to try and take on Apple and failing (that's debatable).
6) He is getting very rich during all of this (see number 1).

I think Steve is incredibly happy.