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You are so completely wrong on this. Leopard (which is what iPhone is running) DOES support multitouch. In case you missed it, the latest Macbooks now have multitouch trackpads to slowly ease people into the feel of multitouch on a Macbook. Transfering those gestures from trackpad to screen is not that big of a leap (it's all already built into Leopard which you would have known if you did your research.) And still no stylus needed...

I agree with all your points except to say the iPhone runs "iPhone OS" or "OS X" not leopard. basically is is a stripped down "OS X" yes but not leopard.

The stylus people need to stop using windows mobile it sucks.
 
I meant that to come across as: MacBook Touch is not going to happen without additional iteration of OS X.

...which, in the scope of all rumors and given their current product aesthetic, is probably more likely than a return of pressure-sensitivity.

Please read: Leopard's Multitouch on Macbook Air:

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html

Apple said:
MacBook Air includes an oversize trackpad with multi-touch technology. You can pinch, swipe, or rotate to zoom in on text, advance through a photo album, or adjust an image. This gesture-based input so successful on iPhone and iPod touch now comes to MacBook.
 
...Said the same naysayers when the iPhone came out, yet look how popular it is (more people use the iPhone's Safari browser than any other mobile browser on the market!)

That has more to do with the popularity of the iPhone and the fact that Safari is the only mobile browser that isn't an overheated dog turd.

Typing without tactile feedback is annoying, even if the iPhone is more elegant than models that include a mini-QWERTY keyboard. It's not so bad when you're texting or entering URLs, but it gets annoying fast when you're writing something lengthy.
 
LOL! I just wrote a long post yesterday after finding this very same rumor. I bet we'll see a second device at WWDC. If you think about it, it makes sense for Apple
to replace the iPod Touch with a different device, possibly a bigger, more capable tablet ala Nokia's N800 tablet. It will end the confusion between the iPhone and iPod touch, and allow Apple to charge more for it while not cannibalizing iPhone sales for people who want a smaller, "front pocket"-sized device.

Isn't it just 0.25 of a G? Since Edge is technically 2.75G. That said we've no idea what speed of 3G Apple will be using... do
we?

In All likelihood, the iPhone with be capable of "3.5G data" aka HSDPA and possibly HSUPA (obviously in addition to "3G" UMTS, which is required for voice)

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*snip* ...My brother is going crazy waiting for one. He go so mad at his Treo the other day he just went outside and threw it against his driveway. It didn't survive.

HAHAH. I so know that feeling..

Everyone uses a stylus with current tablet PCs, so there has so be some
reason for it.

Probably because typing without tactile feedback is annoying.

Full two-hand QWERTY typing on a hard slate is IMPOSSIBLE. Try it on your desk right now.. With no give whatsoever, it not only is painful after about 10 seconds, but would no doubt cause terrible carpal tunnel and arthritis in about a week.
 
You are so completely wrong on this. Leopard (which is what iPhone is running) DOES support multitouch. In case you missed it, the latest Macbooks now have multitouch trackpads to slowly ease people into the feel of multitouch on a Macbook. Transfering those gestures from trackpad to screen is not that big of a leap (it's all already built into Leopard which you would have known if you did your research.) And still no stylus needed...

Please read: Leopard's Multitouch on Macbook Air:

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html

Don't insult me because you misinterpreted me or I wasn't clear.

Multitouch trackpads are not at all translatable to the screen without a huge overhaul of the interface. Pushing a cursor around with a blank trackpad is FUNDAMENTALLY different than having your fingertips directly control everything on the screen.

I am totally convinced multitouch is going to be a huge component of their product future - but I'm saying you can't throw Leopard onto a small multitouch tablet without a drastic fork in the operating system. The interface is not meant for this.
 
Immediate thought would be concern as the phone is released 30+ days before the appropriate Firmware is available?
 
Hmmm

If I'm Steve Jobs, I want to make sure I can hit my bragging right/prediction of 10 million iPhones in 2008. An extra month of sales can not only help them get to that goal, but might also give them a huge kick of sales for the 4th quarter of this fiscal year.

Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow, as Monday looks like the new Tuesday!
 
I could see a tablet replacing the mini.

i.e., remember the patent application for sliding the tablet into an iMac-like enclosure?

I wanted that from the second I saw the patent. I'm looking for a Mac desktop but I really don't need one that badly. I'm also looking to upgrade from my iBook, and this would be perfect, as all I ever do outside the internet and iTunes is type up stuff which I then transfer to print. I wanted a touch tablet longer than I've owned my iPhone.

As long as it's not an oversized PDA and has programs I need, and it turns out to replace the Mini taking the Mini's price, I'm ordering one within 24 hours. :)
 
If this is true it shouldn't distract from Apple's simplicity. Their product mix will just have a whole separate mobile line -- complete with MacBook Air, iPhone, The Device of Mystery, and whatever else.

They are appealing to small/medium business now. That's where the easy money is and all of it is international and mobile; not to mention technology is improving in a way favoring mobility. You can't expect them to be the same Apple they were in 2003.

Regardless, more Apple products equals a win for me. You can always expect them to make and market their products well -- so quit quibbling comrades!

And a tablet would be great for note-taking. Haptic feedback, please!
 
Don't insult me because you misinterpreted me or I wasn't clear.

Multitouch trackpads are not at all translatable to the screen without a huge overhaul of the interface. Pushing a cursor around with a blank trackpad is FUNDAMENTALLY different than having your fingertips directly control everything on the screen.

I am totally convinced multitouch is going to be a huge component of their product future - but I'm saying you can't throw Leopard onto a small multitouch tablet without a drastic fork in the operating system. The interface is not meant for this.

Actually the interface was designed for this. like that useless thing called vista the developers knew touch was going to be coming so that made the new OS have the capability (with a small patch or two) of touch.
 
It's funny to hear people saying an ULTRA portable is unrealistic but a tablet is. I think if they do a tablet, it would make sense to either include a keyboard or make one optional. It really needs things like ports and even video out to dock to a real screen, or I don't really see much difference from an iPhone.

I agree with this. A keyboard would have to be implemented to make this tablet mainstream. Axiotron made a modbook which is a tablet macbook screen. This product really hasn't taken off because it doesn't have a keyboard.
 
If I'm Steve Jobs, I want to make sure I can hit my bragging right/prediction of 10 million iPhones in 2008. An extra month of sales can not only help them get to that goal, but might also give them a huge kick of sales for the 4th quarter of this fiscal year.

Hopefully we'll find out tomorrow, as Monday looks like the new Tuesday!

At the very least, if you're Steve Jobs, you don't want a whole MONTH of selling 0 iPhones when you're trying to meet a 10m sales goal. If we don't hear something about the new phone this week I will be VERY surprised. It's just not a good time for Apple to have nothing to sell.
 
I think im gonna kill this rumor with a few simple facts.

2.0 beta firmware has been discovered to have software to support 3G chips. 2.0 firmware has been confirmed to come out in JUNE.

a 3G iPhone would NOT work with 1.1.4 firmware, because it doesnt support 3G chips. SO... a 3G iPhone cannot come before 2.0 firmware is released.

You can agree or disagree btu im confident IM right
Or they release a limited 1.1.5 release with 3G support, as they did 10.4.8 with Intel on Tiger.
 
I could see a tablet replacing the mini.

i.e., remember the patent application for sliding the tablet into an iMac-like enclosure?

i agree there's ben talk of a mac book/pro update. so i think there will be a bigger faster mac book pro and the mac book get a rotating touch screen ( i think hp has something similar). but i still don't see the iphone coming out before WWDC
 
"optional keyboard"...

hey, first time post so go easy.

i'm not saying that i 100% believe that a tablet is coming any time soon, but if it did turn up it would indeed be the ****...

most people's problems seem to be that typing directly on a tablet would be too awkward/uncomfortable, etc...

remember when the original rumours of a larger-scale iphone first came up a couple of months ago? around the same time apple released the smaller form-factor bluetooth keyboard... didn't anyone else think "damn, that would be a cool way to work with a tablet!"

so then we would have a cool media player and net device with a good sized screen, and then whip out the bluetooth keyboard for more work-like activities!

...maybe not.
 
LOL! I just wrote a long post yesterday after finding this very same rumor. I bet we'll see a second device at WWDC. If you think about it, it makes sense for Apple
to replace the iPod Touch with a different device, and maybe a bigger, more capable tablet ala Nokia's N800 tablet. It will end the confusion between the iPhone and iPod touch, and allow Apple to charge more for it while not cannibalizing iPhone sales for people who want a smaller, "front pocket"-sized device.

Exactly!

Don't insult me because you misinterpreted me or I wasn't clear.

Multitouch trackpads are not at all translatable to the screen without a huge overhaul of the interface. Pushing a cursor around with a blank trackpad is FUNDAMENTALLY different than having your fingertips directly control everything on the screen.

I am totally convinced multitouch is going to be a huge component of their product future - but I'm saying you can't throw Leopard onto a small multitouch tablet without a drastic fork in the operating system. The interface is not meant for this.

Sorry but, you are kind of insulting yourself for not doing your research. Leopard was exactly designed for this [multitouch] and was stripped down a bit to be included onto the iPhone (yes, to the other poster, the iPhone DOES run a slightly stripped down version of Leopard, not a whole other iPhone OS X. Come on people pay attention to when Steve Jobs shows this stuff!)

Actually the interface was designed for this. like that useless thing called vista the developers knew touch was going to be coming so that made the new OS have the capability (with a small patch or two) of touch.

See mr. probably, I'm not the only one who knows this...

I agree with this. A keyboard would have to be implemented to make this tablet mainstream. Axiotron made a modbook which is a tablet macbook screen. This product really hasn't taken off because it doesn't have a keyboard.

It's already there. Are we all forgetting the wireless mini-keyboard that Apple has already released awhile back with the redesigned iMacs? Well, it's not just for the iMacs...

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:cool:
 
Actually the interface was designed for this. like that useless thing called vista the developers knew touch was going to be coming so that made the new OS have the capability (with a small patch or two) of touch.

...I'm not sure I understand you but support for pen-input (which OS X does have - allowing things like Cintiqs and ModBooks to work) is different than making the interface friendly to fingers.

Axiotron made a modbook which is a tablet macbook screen. This product really hasn't taken off because it doesn't have a keyboard.

It's also more expensive than a MacBook Pro and comes with no Apple support.
 
hey, first time post so go easy.

i'm not saying that i 100% believe that a tablet is coming any time soon, but if it did turn up it would indeed be the ****...

most people's problems seem to be that typing directly on a tablet would be too awkward/uncomfortable, etc...

remember when the original rumours of a larger-scale iphone first came up a couple of months ago? around the same time apple released the smaller form-factor bluetooth keyboard... didn't anyone else think "damn, that would be a cool way to work with a tablet!"

so then we would have a cool media player and net device with a good sized screen, and then whip out the bluetooth keyboard for more work-like activities!

...maybe not.

Hah, we posted at the exact same time... good thinking!
 
I thought I might add that this speculated tablet device would compete with Kindle and the Sony Reader, but would be superior to both in an educational environment; a modern eMate if you will.

Getting a tablet would not preclude a subnotebook down the road as these devices fit different niches.
 
3G iPhone would be fantastic right about now.

I've tried leaving ATT and said Jesus Phone™ but it ain't working out so much.

A message indicator light would be friggin' awesome (see Blackberry). I missed a very serious text... (yes, it was serious).
 
great minds...

Hah, we posted at the exact same time... good thinking!

cool.

it would definitely make sense tho, right? i mean, they put it out there for a reason in that size... why remove the number pad from a desktop keyboard unless it wasn't meant to stay on the desk!:)
 
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