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3G iPhone would be fantastic right about now.

I've tried leaving ATT and said Jesus Phone™ but it ain't working out so much.

A message indicator light would be friggin' awesome (see Blackberry). I missed a very serious text... (yes, it was serious).

ughh a light indicator would be AWESOME, all my friends have sidekicks and the lights/AIM are the best features on the phone. i hope apple incorporates a light sensor

BTW where from LI you from?
 
This is an interesting rumor. However, why have AT&T employees been told to not ask for time off between June 15th and July 15th if the iPhone is coming out in May instead. See this thread for details. Unless this new device will be offered on the AT&T network like an iPhone Nano or something.
 
i think this makes logical sense... i can definetly see and hope that we do see one this week be released... I hope Apple releases the ultra-portable at WWDC people have been waiting for this for years!! :apple::apple:
 
What!?! Your whole argument was OS based! All you did was say that Leopard can't do mutlitouch and can't be finger based; must use a stylus, etc. And NOW you say it can!?! :rolleyes:

And yes, they did throw out their interface conventions and build something new for the iPhone (and thus delaying the release of Leopard by 6 months as a direct result of this! Or do you not remember that?)

The first post you decided to quote and flame talks about the interface, not the Core underpinnings. I haven't been talking about anything else since.

Doesn't any part of running your day-to-day Leopard operations with only fingers raise any questions? How would you invoke Expose without an ever-present keyboard or Hot Corners? How would you pick the correct city/Time Zone during first-run procedures by tapping the map? Handle hover contextual boxes? Discern erroneous taps over a vast 1280x800px span? Inform the user that the keyboard that just popped up on the screen corresponds to this or that form field? Highlight text? Select multiple songs in iTunes?

All of this has unbelievable potential to create an infuriating experience for everyone if no alterations and revisions are made to the desktop GUI we know today. (Imagine: Windows-based tablets with none of the pixel-point accuracy of a stylus)

A larger tablet device would require them to rethink the interface again. Not wholly impossible but a steep undertaking far more taxing than putting Leopard on it and relying on InkWell to do things which it doesn't do very gracefully: not surprising since it was not intended for a capacitance-display-only device.
 
Does anyone else think that a product 1.5x the size of the iPhone is just about the most inconvenient size? It would be too big to put in your pocket, but then it would be too small to do anything useful on, that the iPhone can't already do. If they are going to make a tablet, I think the 8.5" x 11" would be about the perfect size.

Me. Search ATNN.

Rocketman
 
I'd agree with a pre-June launch, if it weren't for:
- firmware 2.0 coming in June
- the ATT holiday thing

I dont believe in any of this firmware 1.5 rubbish. I think Apple's already under immense strain to get 2.0 out, and dont have the resources to develop another branch simultaneously. They'd rather delay the hardware launch to get it out with the software on day 1.

It may be announced pre-June, but it won't be shipping until June. The recent stock shortages are due to poor stock management on Apples part (they rarely deal with things as successful as the iPhone).
 
I'd agree with a pre-June launch, if it weren't for:
- firmware 2.0 coming in June
- the ATT holiday thing

I dont believe in any of this firmware 1.5 rubbish. I think Apple's already under immense strain to get 2.0 out, and dont have the resources to develop another branch simultaneously. They'd rather delay the hardware launch to get it out with the software on day 1.

It may be announced pre-June, but it won't be shipping until June. The recent stock shortages are due to poor stock management on Apples part (they rarely deal with things as successful as the iPhone).

Yes because Steve himself told you that they messed up on the management of iphone shipments. stop with the assumptions. Nobody knows anything for real
 
3G iPhone? boring....just adding GPS and 3G with some more flash more than likely.

I'll pass...

waiting for third revision here, third party apps can keep iPhone 1.0 new enough for me until then.
 
ughh a light indicator would be AWESOME, all my friends have sidekicks and the lights/AIM are the best features on the phone. i hope apple incorporates a light sensor

BTW where from LI you from?

Looking at it from the business side, it would most certainly be pretty helpful. I don't want to have to keep unlocking the screen to see if I got any messaged. This is helpful if you have it in silent mode and vibrate off.

Nassau County, South Shore. Not gonna get too specific on here. :)
 
The first post you decided to quote and flame talks about the interface, not the Core underpinnings. I haven't been talking about anything else since.

Doesn't any part of running your day-to-day Leopard operations with only fingers raise any questions? How would you invoke Expose without an ever-present keyboard or Hot Corners? How would you pick the correct city/Time Zone during first-run procedures by tapping the map? Handle hover contextual boxes? Discern erroneous taps over a vast 1280x800px span? Inform the user that the keyboard that just popped up on the screen corresponds to this or that form field? Highlight text? Select multiple songs in iTunes?

All of this has unbelievable potential to create an infuriating experience for everyone if no alterations and revisions are made to the desktop GUI we know today. (Imagine: Windows-based tablets with none of the pixel-point accuracy of a stylus)

I am sure if this happens and a multi-touch portable comes out that 10.5.3 will have the multi touch option added to the system prefferences pane
 
Wow. Someone's panties are up in a bunch.

Possible but unlikely.

Debunked by whom? Other rumor site posters with their own speculative versions of it? Yeah, that's pretty bulletproof debunking right there. It's still a fact that Apple doesn't announce new products months ahead of their launch, but were forced to do so with the original iPhone in part because of FCC filing dates. It's also a fact that the FCC does need to approve phones and their manuals, and that Apple cannot guarantee the security of that information out of the FCC.

I have my own speculation on that (mainly that the OS was not completely finished) but what IS known is the FCC has a short term Short-Term Confidentiality Policy.

More can be found here: ts.nist.gov/Standards/Global/upload/george_tannahill_short-term_confidentiality_policy.pdf

But to save you the trouble:

The short-term confidentiality policy is intended to provide applicants the ability to get
an equipment approval and get a product to market while ensuring that business sensitive
information remains confidential until the actual marketing of the device. When
marketing begins, the information must be released for viewing on the FCC website.


If it's coming on Tuesday it has already been approved ... if it's coming in June I have a feeling the process will start soon.
 
I think Apple would be silly to release another MAJOR product at WWDC. In the short term it would take the limelight off the iPhone SDK, iPhone 2.0, 3G iPhone etc.

Not to mention that for the first time as a Mac user (and I mean Macbook, OS X), I feel rather neglected. My Macbook is great, apart from the heat, constant fannage, electrical whine (which comes through on my sound recordings even through an external sound card), ongoing battery problems. blah blah... Leopard is a mess too. Many, many bugs, for me at least.

It just seems as though a snazzy new product would be great for the media spin and share price (perhaps). But what about consolidation/evolution, sorting out leopard, releasing newly designed macbooks that are much more solid machines. I have an iPhone, and I'm really excited to see the next one.. but again, consolidation and evolution would be nice. But to add a whole new major product?! Maybe in a year or two, but I hope not now!

That said, maybe they have done something clever with Multitouch - fingerworks style tablet accessory maybe. Or maybe there's a new software thing (more WWDC relevant). I haven't thought about it too much. I just hope this 'new' thing isn't too ambitious!
 
I think that this just makes it even more possible for the new MacBooks and MacBook pros to cone out at WWDC. Those would seem like more of a logical product to introduce at the developer's conference. But this rumor opens up an interesting possibility- multi-touch on the MacBook Pros. Maybe even a multi-touch trackpad that spans the width of the notebook. Weren't there some rumora a whileback regarding the possibility of these trackpads? That would make the MBP even cooler. Personally, I can't wait for the MBPs to get a redesign. That will be so awesome. And the super-trackpad idea would just make it cooler.

I would eliminate this speculation based on the simple design flaw such trackpads would bring.... Have U considered that a Multitouch trackpad spanning across the width of the notebook will mean U will rest ur wrists on the trackpad while typing.

I think we are more likely to see touch screen based portables... then multitouch would be as good as the IPhone.... With innovative :apple: .... this just seems realistic and more user friendly (which is apple's design moto....)
 
The AT&T vacation black list of days most likely has little to do with a 3G iphone. Can it even be used in the USA? It could be for the launch of a new product, but I tend to doubt it. The American launch for the iphone is over folks. And remember that business model of tying the iphone to one company is fastly becoming a fossil.

The 3G is all about other places like Italy and Japan. According to the roadmap, June '08 is the launch for Japan, and I'm hoping Apple sticks to its plan. No way an Edge phone will sell there. The rest of the world has networks in place that are just waiting for a better iphone. Americans will feel the pain of inferior networks when people in other countries are happily toting 3G iphones. Bring'em on!

iphones won't be tied to AT&T forever.

What? You do know that is not close to true right? If you are some one who tends to travel in major metropolitan areas, then 3G is just fine thank you. I live in Austin, TX and have 3G coverage almost everywhere.
 
I find it so odd that some people are minimizing 3G. It was clearly the one GIANT compromise that Apple made at the time of the original iPhone. Still a cool device, but really we are talking dial-up versus broadband as someone else has so clearly pointed out. How can that not be a huge deal? The fact that the iPhone has WiFi is the great minimizer of that problem. Who wants to depend on hotspots? Since I got a 3G card for my MacBook Air I really don't worry about hotspots for my laptop either.

The only thing that stopped me from buying Rev A was the lack of 3G.. Bring on iPhone 2.0!!

(but please don't absolutely kill battery life)
 
I am sure if this happens and a multi-touch portable comes out that 10.5.3 will have the multi touch option added to the system prefferences pane

A PrefPane checkbox to completely convert almost every part of the Cocoa widget toolkit to totally different specs. I don't think so.

And why would there be an option to make the computer unusable? That's comical.

I guess no one sees that Leopard's current GUI could not work with fingers of varying fatness that would occlude any of the tinier clickable interfaces and make tapping a blind affair.
 
Obviously, it's a rendering, but guess what, the last ad Apple had on their own site with both the Macbook Air and iPhone was also a rendering (instead of using actual photos of the products that were already released.)

But the OP wrote:

As I stated in a previous thread, I did not create this image, it was found as an upcoming ad for WWDC

My point is that Apple would not put out an ad with the Apple logo off centered in just a sloppy way. We are not talking about renderings here, we are talking about what the OP purports to be a real live Apple ad. Now, maybe he was being tongue and cheek and I missed that, but to me he seemed to think it was real.
 
What? You do know that is not close to true right? If you are some one who tends to travel in major metropolitan areas, then 3G is just fine thank you. I live in Austin, TX and have 3G coverage almost everywhere.

I think you misunderstood him. He wasn't saying 3g for iPhone is not going to happen, he was saying that Apple doesn't need a whole other special event just because they are adding a 3G chip to a one year old product.

That's why it's more likely they will release this new iPhone early with little fanfare and a completely new product at WWDC along with the SDK (that will bridge the iPhone's touch abilites with the Macbook line, as per my "things are getting touchy" post!)
 
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In light of recent news, anyone care to revisit and speculate on the meaning of the two diverging Golden Gate bridges on the WWDC poster...
 
Most customers wont even know (nor care) what WWDC is. Remember us lot here are far from representative of the total Apple iPhone customer base


We all know how much hype and speculation apple generates..... We are small yet very considerable proportion of the market share.... that will be upgrading from gen1 to gen2 IPhones.... And am sure Apple wont be willing to loose out on revenue when they can sell U two devices then one.... Just a matter of getting the timing right....
 
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I wonder, are the bridges diverging, or CONVERGING, ie Mac+iPhone= tablet?
 
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