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3G iPhone in May, Another Device at WWDC?

infowarfare said:
Ok, in case you all missed my post on another thread around here, this is what's happening at WWDC, but first, a disclaimer:

In no way am I affiliated with or employed by Apple internally and anything I post should be taken as pure speculation on my part. ;)

1. Updated iPhone with 2.0 will be released before the WWDC. It wll NOT have GPS or Video camera but will have increased storage size (16GB and 32GB) and 3G of course. No special event is necessary for this.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but the new iPhone WILL have a frontside camera.
 
infowarfare said:
Exactly!



Sorry but, you are kind of insulting yourself for not doing your research. Leopard was exactly designed for this [multitouch] and was stripped down a bit to be included onto the iPhone (yes, to the other poster, the iPhone DOES run a slightly stripped down version of Leopard, not a whole other iPhone OS X. Come on people pay attention to when Steve Jobs shows this stuff!)
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Actually from what i have seen it is not specifically leopard because the .5 part of 10.5 is in the upper layers of the OS (it has 4 layers) the iPhone uses the same first layer but the second is slightly modified and the third (graphics) is about the same as leopard but the forth (coco touch) is the iPhone part because the mac interface (coco) is to big for he iPhone because it has both touch and mouse input ability not to mention some other stuff like right click and things like that.

check out he SDK release video if you don't believe me they talk about it.
 
Diode said:
Thats already been debunked hundreds of time will people search the front page news and QUIT ***** MENTIONING IT.
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Wow. Someone's panties are up in a bunch.

Debunked by whom? Other rumor site posters with their own speculative versions of it? Yeah, that's pretty bulletproof debunking right there. It's still a fact that Apple doesn't announce new products months ahead of their launch, but were forced to do so with the original iPhone in part because of FCC filing dates. It's also a fact that the FCC does need to approve phones and their manuals, and that Apple cannot guarantee the security of that information out of the FCC.

Unless you work at Apple, or the FCC, or are directly involved in FCC filings through a competitor, and have some official knowledge of this process, any "debunking" will have exactly the same value as what anyone has ever said about FCC filings, including myself: speculation. If you call debunking the fact that FCC filings can be cloaked at the filer's request, that still does not preclude Apple from attempting to avoid the risk of a leak out of an entity they can't control by announcing early themselves (like they did with the original).

All in all, who cares? I made it pretty clear it was just a guess, and that's exactly what the other couple hundred posts here are. Are you really gonna get this worked up about each one of them?

If there is an announcement significantly ahead of a release (weeks), which like I originally said was just my guess, then all the debunking is out the window. It could certainly be for other reasons, as it could be because of the FCC, at least in part. So, we'll see.
 
if your product is selling faster than you can make it, what motivation would you have to drop the price?
Luke1robb said:
Does anyone else think that maybe Apple and Steve Jobs are trying to EOL the 2.5G iPhone now, so that no one complains about the new one coming out weeks later and so they don't have to come out with rebates again? It's not out of the question... Or maybe they'll drop the price of the iPhone on Tuesday? 2 and a half weeks of $249 and $349 iPhones? You know how many customers who have no idea of the 3G iPhone coming out that would bring in? Think about it this way, they stop selling them online last week, so that the iPhones bought before that can get to the customers before Tuesday, so that they can drop the price and no one can bitc* for a refund. What do you all think?
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Compile 'em all said:
Sorry to burst your bubble but the new iPhone WILL have a frontside camera.
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And you think you know this because... ? (that so called third frontside sensor is NOT going to be a camera... I speculate.)

Fonzijr1964 said:
Actually from what i have seen it is not specifically leopard because the .5 part of 10.5 is in the upper layers of the OS (it has 4 layers) the iPhone uses the same first layer but the second is slightly modified and the third (graphics) is about the same as leopard but the forth (coco touch) is the iPhone part because the mac interface (coco) is to big for he iPhone because it has both touch and mouse input ability not to mention some other stuff like right click and things like that.

check out he SDK release video if you don't believe me they talk about it.
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You're right, but still, based on Leopard, not Tiger. And my whole point to that mr. probably poster was that it's not that far-fetched that the full blown version of Leopard can ALSO do multitouch if a scaled down iPhone version can. But he just can't seem to wrap his head around that one...
 
applefan69 said:
I think im gonna kill this rumor with a few simple facts.

2.0 beta firmware has been discovered to have software to support 3G chips. 2.0 firmware has been confirmed to come out in JUNE.

a 3G iPhone would NOT work with 1.1.4 firmware, because it doesnt support 3G chips. SO... a 3G iPhone cannot come before 2.0 firmware is released.

You can agree or disagree btu im confident IM right
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I agree. Although it's possible that there could be a temporary firmware version to support the new hardware until 2.0 is released, I think it's unlikely to happen. It is all about presentation. How the new device and the new firmware are presented (in other words "sold") will have an impact. Apple is very good at building hype and we (those of us posting here) do not represent the average consumer.

If Apple waits and Steve presents the new iPhone pre-loaded with 2.0 and with features the current iPhone does not have, it will create more hype. It's all about creating a feeling in the customer that the new phone was created for the 2.0 firmware and that to truly maximize the experience of the firmware you need the new phone. The 2.0 firmware upgrade will be free for current iPhone owners. If you want them to buy the new product, you have to present it right.

If they do not wait, the average consumer might look at the new phone much like they might for a new MacBook that only has new processor options; it's faster than the old one but it doesn't really do anything different. When the firmware update is available it will be for both devices and the only differences would be features specific to the new phone, such as speed and GPS applications. Not everyone wants or needs GPS and many current users are happy with the current speed of the phone or do not live in a 3G coverage area.

In the end, both 1st generation and 3G iPhones will use 2.0. We all know that and we all understand that there will be few real differences between the two phones, although to us the differences are big. But again, we are not the average consumer. It's all about presentation and creating that "I gotta have that feeling".

Having said that, I really hope I'm wrong and that it is released sooner than later. I'm not a shareholder and I want a 3G iPhone one now. :)
 
infowarfare said:
Sorry but, you are kind of insulting yourself for not doing your research. Leopard was exactly designed for this [multitouch] and was stripped down a bit to be included onto the iPhone (yes, to the other poster, the iPhone DOES run a slightly stripped down version of Leopard, not a whole other iPhone OS X. Come on people pay attention to when Steve Jobs shows this stuff!)
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Leopard was not 'exactly' designed for this at all. What part of the Leopard desktop makes you think it was meant to be controlled with fingers directly on the screen?

The iPhone firmware is as far from a slightly stripped down version of Leopard as can be. They ported it to ARM and removed Cocoa for goodness sakes! There is a reason that NOTHING on the iPhone's display resembles Leopard save for a few color schemes.

infowarfare said:
You're right, but still, based on Leopard, not Tiger. And my whole point to that mr. probably poster was that it's not that far-fetched that the full blown version of Leopard can ALSO do multitouch if a scaled down iPhone version can. But he just can't seem to wrap his head around that one...
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And after several posts reiterating this you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that I'm not talking about OS-level support. Of course Leopard can support multitouch devices - or ANY device, really. I'm talking about the actual interaction between user and device - which quite obviously led Apple to completely throw out their current interface conventions and build something new for a buttonless iPhone.
 
Although there may be nothing until June. (Excuse the pun;) ) It is strange that there is little supply of the iPhone this far away from WWDC. Usually, Apple has at least some supply of products before updates. What doesn't make sense is that a major product, such as the iPhone would have no supply. Also, it is interesting that O2 and Apple would run out almost simultaneously. Which brings up a new theory. Could O2 have run out iPhones, called up Apple, ordered more, and used up the rest of the stock reserved to last until June?

The only thing that makes perfect sense would be that the iPhone 2.0 update will come during WWDC and so will a new iPhone.
 
infowarfare said:
And you think you know this because... ?



You're right, but still, based on Leopard, not Tiger. And my whole point to that mr. probably poster was that it's not that far-fetched that the full blown version of Leopard can ALSO do multitouch if a scaled down iPhone version can. But he just can't seem to wrap his head around that one...
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yes i saw your point sorry to be rude. he just is not familiar with the way OS's work and the way they are designed with "forward thinking"
 
gusapple said:
Although there may be nothing until June. (Excuse the pun;) ) It is strange that there is little supply of the iPhone this far away from WWDC. Usually, Apple has at least some supply of products before updates. What doesn't make sense is that a major product, such as the iPhone would have no supply.
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Makes sense to me. Remember the price drop backlash? Restrict people from even being ABLE to purchase a phone too near to the update, and there is no one to complain. Sure they have stock, they're just holding onto it until the new announcement, then they'll show up as refurb. Maybe.
 
TIM (Italy) sale force convention in May

A relative of mine, who works for Telecom Italia Mobile, reported to me that they should have a convention in the next two weeks. A new product is expected, but no announcement has been made to them.

I think that the rumor can be true...
 
If the phone were to be released in May, why are the ATT employees not allowed to take vacations starting in mid June?

I don't believe it's true (it would also be too good to be true ;-))
 
probably said:
And after several posts reiterating this you can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that I'm not talking about OS-level support. Of course Leopard can support multitouch devices - or ANY device, really. I'm talking about the actual interaction between user and device - which quite obviously led Apple to completely throw out their current interface conventions and build something new for a buttonless iPhone.
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What!?! Your whole argument was OS based! All you did was say that Leopard can't do mutlitouch and can't be finger based; must use a stylus, etc. And NOW you say it can!?! :rolleyes:

And yes, they did throw out their interface conventions and build something new for the iPhone (and thus delaying the release of Leopard by 6 months as a direct result of this! Or do you not remember that?)
 
swarmster said:
...What if Apple's going to sell the iPhone themselves, possibly unlocked, and then a month later AT&T starts selling it through their stores, locked and subsidized. Regarding their exclusivity contract: do Apple stores qualify as competition? As long as there isn't another version specific to another carrier, isn't it still exclusive? Also, I wouldn't put it past Steve to have sold AT&T on 5 years exclusivity for the "iPhone", but then neglect to mention or promise anything about the "iPhone 2". The new version may not be exclusive at all.
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BINGO. This scenario is the most likely in my opinion. The "locked and subsidized" rumor began before iphone inventory dried up. AT&T could easily start selling locked iphones at a discount a month after Apple stats selling unlocked versions.

I think Apple and AT&T learned a big lesson when over half of iphones sold in the U.S. were never activated with AT&T - BIG loss in revenue for both companies. They didn't believe that iphones could be hacked with such ease, and hopefully they are being smarter about it for 2.0. Rather than spend time and effort making an un-hackable phone (which would be near impossible), they could be incentivizing consumers to stay with AT&T via subsidies and in-store activation. Having other features being carrier specific (visual voicemail, 3G, GPS?) will also encourage buyers to stay with AT&T.

There is no reason that the "5 year exclusivity", or whatever they have, could not be mutually modified. Obviously the agreement, as it stands now, has at least a million unlocked iphones running on other networks. Seems like AT&T would greatly benefit by being the "preferred" iphone network, rather than the "exclusive" network. AT&T could offer rebates/subsidies, visual voicemail, 3G service - maybe even certain applications at the itunes store could only be purchased with an AT&T activated iphone. Apple would benefit by selling more iphones, and maybe stay out of trouble in countries where "exclusive" arrangements are prohibited - just have a "preferred" carrier in each country.
 
infowarfare said:
And you think you know this because... ? (that so called third frontside sensor is NOT going to be a camera... I speculate.)
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I am not obliged to anything in here.

But just for you something to think about: by the end of this year the iPhone will be going to Asia where video calls are big. As it is planned, this to be released 3G capable iPhone will be the one going to Asia. Hence, a frontside camera.
 
Compile 'em all said:
I am not obliged to anything in here.

But just for you something to think about: by the end of this year the iPhone will be going to Asia where video calls are big. As it is planned, this to be released 3G capable iPhone will be the one going to Asia. Hence, a frontside camera.
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Yep, pretty good speculation there, but many said a similar thing right before European launch; that Europe would not settle for anything less than 3G and that they would never release an Edge-based iPhone in Europe, and yet...
 
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Awesome!! The sooner the better. Does this mean we will see software version 2.0 this month as well?
 
Tallest Skil said:
Not His Jobsness, and I'd bet my iPhone* that you don't know Ive, either. You'd need to be a case maker, as Apple doesn't allow employees to have MacRumors accounts.
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I work in R&D and I can post whatever I want from home and no one in the company where I work will know who I am.

Just cause Apple employees are not allowed doesn't mean they don't read/post in here. I bet there are a couple on here already. Also, you don't need to be working in Apple to pull out some info. Look at Appleinsider for a prime example.
 
Dangeresque said:
Does anybody else worry that this rapid product introduction cycle will eventually result in far too complex product lineup where it becomes too difficult to distinguish between value added by moving between products? This product sounds great, but what added benefit will it give us that a software update to the iPod Touch / iPhone wouldn't give us?

It just seems like Apple's crowding it's "message" of simplicity by introducing too many specialized products when they could simply continually improve their current offerings.
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I don't think Apple is crowding it's "message" of simplicity. If you look at it from the standpoint of an iPhone being released and then some other gadget being released shortly after, then yes it could seem like product overkill. However, it didn't stop Apple from creating a variety of iPod choices, so why would this be any different. Especially, if you look at from the perspective that this can be the beginning of Apple's family of "multi-touch"? Just like the iPod has the shuffle, nano, classic and "Touch" in various capacity sizes and colors. The Multi Touch family could be looked at this way... iPhone, Touch iPod, Maybe some multi touch tablet versus a multi touch laptop and a multi touch "Wii" like 'gaming system' game pad or something. Who knows what's up Apple's sleeve, but if you categorize it as a "Family of Products" versus one product announcement after the next then it doesn't seem that Apple is losing it's way or crowding it's "message" of simplicity.
 
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