3G iPhone or Blackberry Bold

[daneoni]

My brother has a bold and he swears by it. I was gonna get it but when i was ready it was delayed and now i have the 3G which i'm becoming increasingly jaded with.

Im not waiting for the Palm Pre. Unless Apple really hits a homerun with iPhone 3 (2,1) i'll be getting a Pre or any other Palm device with the Web OS

 

[Rat-Boy]

I don't know why people can't get it through their brains that PUSH EMAIL = EMAIL ESSENTIALAGE lolzzzzz


Push e-mail is essential for most users of a BlackBerry - it's what they were designed for.

Push is "essential"?

Why?

Are you going to die if you don't get your email the second someone sends it? Is the world going to stop spinning on it's axis?

Look, if you work in IT (Like I do), or you work in a critical decision making job where you need email fast, then chances are, your work will be issuing you a Blackberry anyway.

The OP is talking about a personal cell phone.

Does HE need emails lightening fast?

If he does, then he can get his Blackberry and be happy.

But don't sit here and make up lies to sway someone's opinion. (Battery Life, The App Store being a joke, etc.)

(And I edited out my rude comment because, yes, it was in fact rude.)

But the principle behind it is not rude.

 

[Kardashian]

Push is "essential"?

Why?

E-mail
Social networking apps
Instant Messaging

Are you going to die if you don't get your email the second someone sends it? Is the world going to stop spinning on it's axis?

Look, if you work in IT (Like I do), or you work in a critical decision making job where you need email fast, then chances are, your work will be issuing you a Blackberry anyway.

The OP is talking about a personal cell phone.

Does HE need emails lightening fast?

I never said he needed it, I was stating it was a feature of the phone, specifically useful when IM'ing, as IM's come through when the app isn't 'active' - which the iPhone cannot do.

But don't sit here and make up lies to sway someone's opinion. (Battery Life, The App Store being a joke, etc.)

I've not made up lies.

There is a lot of junk on the AppStore. And there is an app that creates farting noises.

I don't understand your point, sorry. I've not lied?

*looks around perplexed*

 

[8767092]

Let's play hardball.

The Blackberry Bold has tightly integrated core features based in messaging. It is less useful for anything beyond the core feature of messaging due to the extremely limiting browsers available for it when compared to Mobile Safari.

Let's get this out of the way too. The iPhone has many nagging issues such as copy and paste or multitasking. There are workarounds available, but these need to be fixed as soon as yesterday. That is a valid complaint against the iPhone and I completely agree with them.

With all that said, I still need a device that basically lets me do almost anything. I need email, IM, SMS, web, VNC, SSH, RDP, VPN (to use with these for certain networks I need to access), and a lot more all in one device that I keep with me at all times. The Blackberry Bold might be fine for some people, but when it comes down to it the device falls far short of my needs.

You claim that MobileMe and Push are enough said on the email front. Not so fast there. I use these because they are extremely cost effective for what email I need to push to the phone. There are other arguably better options, but I like this. I paid $29 for 1 year of MobileMe that gives me push email to my phone plus all the other MobileMe goodies. Not a bad deal.

That puts me at $2.50 per month for my push email and $30 for unlimited 3G data not too shabby. I don't need to worry about BES vs. BIS plan, APN data vs. BIS/BES data, or anything of the sort.

That's all well and good - but its like I've already said:

BlackBerry = networking and communication abilities are unrivaled.
iPhone = Apps and web browsing are unrivaled.

That is all well and good, but it is like I've already said. The Blackberry falls far short in too many key areas.

The messaging advantage in email is debatable. I used the BIS service at at&t for quite awhile before I moved to the Treo 650 with Chatteremail. The whole "forward all email to one address" setup to get instant Blackberry push email without a BES server just didn't seem to be all that great for the monthly cost.

The IM is well integrated into the Blackberry and I will give it that. Is it "unrivaled" superior to the iPhone? No. Jabber support is lacking in the Bold and that is a very widely used internal messaging system for many companies because it can be controlled/monitored.

I will say that with proper investment in server infrastructure the Blackberry has a superior email capability. I also say that IM is better on the Blackberry by a very slim margin due to the lack of multitasking on the iPhone.

People live for their iPhones now because it is slowly becoming more than a phone or a simple portable device. It is a computer in your pocket. Your iPod, your email client, and your everything all in one little package built with a touch screen. Is it better than the Blackberry line with regard to messaging? No, but it is an equal in my eyes.

Now, I'm about to get back to making fun of Windows users.

 

[Rat-Boy]

E-mail
Social networking apps
Instant Messaging

Wait, I thought we were talking about push email?

Now you want to talk about background apps being allowed to run which has nothing to do with push email.

I asked why push email was essential on a personal cell phone. I am still waiting for that answer.

I never said he needed it, I was stating it was a feature of the phone, specifically useful when IM'ing, as IM's come through when the app isn't 'active' - which the iPhone cannot do.

Wait, you NEVER mentioned this above before this post.

We were talking about push email, not push service or background apps.

On this, we actually agree. The iPhone needs to have the option to run stuff in the background.

I've not made up lies.

There is a lot of junk on the AppStore. And there is an app that creates farting noises.

I don't understand your point, sorry. I've not lied?

*looks around perplexed*

Dude, look at what you posted.

You commented about the battery life as if the battery life of the Bold is better. That is simply false. It depends on your setup and what you use. But making that blanket statement is just un-true. Where I come from, that is a lie.

You said, and I quote "For others, having games and apps that make farting noises is better."

Now you are going to sit here and try to tell me that that encompasses the whole truth about what is in the app store? You are going to try to convince me that you weren't being snide and trying to down play the App Store?

I mean, I launch Shazzam all the time and I don't hear any farting noises. But it also isn't a game.

Hint: Not telling the full truth is the same as lying.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to personally attack you here. I am just tired of all the slanted posts on this forum when someone asks for an honest opinion.

Both devices have their good points and bad points. But to slant the argument towards one device by telling half truths and exaggerating does the OP no good at all.

 

[Kardashian]

With all that said, I still need a device that basically lets me do almost anything. I need email, IM, SMS, web, VNC, SSH, RDP, VPN (to use with these for certain networks I need to access), and a lot more all in one device that I keep with me at all times. The Blackberry Bold might be fine for some people, but when it comes down to it the device falls far short of my needs.

But not the OP's

That is all well and good, but it is like I've already said. The Blackberry falls far short in too many key areas.

And this is whats great about technology - different wants and needs.

The things you want/need - I don't.

For example, I found it hell not having a simple 'copy/paste' or even MMS. I didn't realise how much I missed these things until they were gone.

For me, the BlackBerry is a foundation which can be built on - it started off as a perfect device for its market.

Now that users needs are changing, and BB's are becoming more social and not just business users - they're expanding the line and adding features people want. But in my eyes, Apple aren't doing that. They're adding 'cool' stuff - but not essential stuff. Like the Emoji situation in Japan, for example.

I also say that IM is better on the Blackberry by a very slim margin due to the lack of multitasking on the iPhone.

And because of that, you can't receive IM's unless the app is the active one - which I find an inconvenience.

Don't get me wrong, there's things I miss about my iPhone - but overall, for me, I prefer the BlackBerry.

Thanks for being constructive

 

[8767092]

And because of that, you can't receive IM's unless the app is the active one - which I find an inconvenience.

That is a bit inaccurate when using IM+ or Beejive. The services actually keep you logged in and will alert you of new messages via email. You can use an email to SMS gateway to use SMS for new alerts or you can use push email like I do. It is a poor workaround for true multitasking, but it works well enough to be usable.

Once we get multitasking and copy and paste sorted we'll be good to go. Until then smug Blackberry users get to pretend their phones are so much better because they can get IMs in the background without a workaround.

 

[RandomKamikaze]

Let's play hardball.

The Blackberry Bold has tightly integrated core features based in messaging. It is less useful for anything beyond the core feature of messaging due to the extremely limiting browsers available for it when compared to Mobile Safari.

Let's get this out of the way too. The iPhone has many nagging issues such as copy and paste or multitasking. There are workarounds available, but these need to be fixed as soon as yesterday. That is a valid complaint against the iPhone and I completely agree with them. Just to add to this, the workaround is JB'ing, which some don't like to do due to fear of their competence, warranty etc. Doesn't apply to most here but it still exists

With all that said, I still need a device that basically lets me do almost anything. I need email, IM, SMS, web, VNC, SSH, RDP, VPN (to use with these for certain networks I need to access), and a lot more all in one device that I keep with me at all times. The Blackberry Bold might be fine for some people, but when it comes down to it the device falls far short of my needs.Obviously you are correct, the BlackBerry can't do some of those features, nor would I want it to. Using a mobile device for controlling a desktop computers (for example) is one of the worst experiences ever IMO, but if you need it/use it/like it then fair play. I can respect that.

You claim that MobileMe and Push are enough said on the email front. Not so fast there. I use these because they are extremely cost effective for what email I need to push to the phone. There are other arguably better options, but I like this. I paid $29 for 1 year of MobileMe that gives me push email to my phone plus all the other MobileMe goodies. Not a bad deal.

That puts me at $2.50 per month for my push email and $30 for unlimited 3G data not too shabby. I don't need to worry about BES vs. BIS plan, APN data vs. BIS/BES data, or anything of the sort. Anything BES realted doesn't apply to this as the OP didn't mention using it on a corp email system (of if he did I missed it)



That is all well and good, but it is like I've already said. The Blackberry falls far short in too many key areas.

The messaging advantage in email is debatable. I used the BIS service at at&t for quite awhile before I moved to the Treo 650 with Chatteremail. The whole "forward all email to one address" setup to get instant Blackberry push email without a BES server just didn't seem to be all that great for the monthly cost.Why didn't you just have the BIS service poll those other mailboxes? At the most you would've had a 15 minute delay

The IM is well integrated into the Blackberry and I will give it that. Is it "unrivaled" superior to the iPhone? No. Jabber support is lacking in the Bold and that is a very widely used internal messaging system for many companies because it can be controlled/monitored.If your talking about corporate IM, such as LCS/OCS, Sametime etc then these have their own archiving services that the BlackBerry device would be subjected to. After all you are still signing in to the corp IM server. Unfortunately I don't know anything about Jabber as this is the first I have heard of it, so I'm going to go read about it.

I will say that with proper investment in server infrastructure the Blackberry has a superior email capability. I also say that IM is better on the Blackberry by a very slim margin due to the lack of multitasking on the iPhone.

People live for their iPhones now because it is slowly becoming more than a phone or a simple portable device. It is a computer in your pocket. Your iPod, your email client, and your everything all in one little package built with a touch screen. Is it better than the Blackberry line with regard to messaging? No, but it is an equal in my eyes.

Now, I'm about to get back to making fun of Windows users.

Any where do I sit in this battle. I think the Bold is a good device. I have used and own one. I am currently using the Storm which isn't RIM's best piece of it, but it is their first touch screen device, so it's not too bad. I'm currently waiting for the Dev Team to break the new baseband so I can buy a 3G iPhone and use that to get my corporate and personal emails on

Now...I'm going to go back to my crappy Windows powered Dell until I finish work

 

[Airforcekid]

lockups are not Normal I jailbroke with a ton of themes and it never locks up. It could just be an issue with your phone.

 

[bytethese]

Well you said you have a 2G iPhone, the 3G iPhone is basically the same exact thing except it has 3G, near useless GPS feature,

Um, no, it's actually pretty damn useful. I use it for directions (driving to WV, NH, PA, etc), use it to find what's around me (coffee, places to eat, etc).

worse screen, and worse battery life.

Has same exact screen and battery as the original iPhone, both work exceptionally well. You probably just didn't know how to use it properly.

I just got rid of an iPhone 3G (I had the original iPhone as well before I got the 3G) for a Bold and I recommend the Bold. Especially you say you are a texter and that's the most important thing, there is no better phone for messaging than the Bold imo.

And in my opinion, as a Blackberry user at work, iPhone for personal use, there's no phone better than the iPhone for email/text. I am SO much faster on my iPhone than my Blackberry in regards to typing.

The Bold physical QWERTY is way better than the the iPhone virtual keyboard

See above

in landscape mode the iPhone isn't bad but the portrait keyboard sucks big time. The thing of course is that Apple stupidly doesn't make the landscape keyboard available where it would be most useful (email and texting), so you're stuck with the crappy portrait one.
I'll give you this one, I do wish I had landscape email, minor annoyance.

IMO the iPhone sucks as a messaging phone, no landscape keyboard, no LED notification light,

That annoys the feen crap out of me, i am SO glad there's no stupid blinking light.

no MMS

Why use an old dead technology? iPhone can email just fine. That's like saying you are pissed your snazzy new desktop doesn't have dialup.

no background apps for IM etc.

Another one I'd give you, but apparently this is coming to iPhone's and if you are a jailbreaker, you can have this functionality already.

Call quality is way better on the Bold.

I can't attest to this one, but I don't see much difference using the phone on my Curve vs. my iPhone.

The iPhone has the better browser and the App Store, but 95% of the software on the App Store is novelty junk, not to mention RIM will have an App Store soon I read.

Yes, yes it does and 95% is not junk. Can you site that statistic for us please? There are tons of useful apps (for me personally, Remote, AIM, Facebook, Amazon, and hopefully soon, SlingMedia) and a lot are even free!

The browser is where the iPhone is definitely better, but the browser on the Bold it isn't that bad for occasional use, it's usually pretty fast and loads pages pretty accurately but certain pages will bring it to a grinding halt and forget turning javascript on. The Bold media player is also actually very good, not quite as flashy as iPhone but it's just as functional and better in a way since you can do an instant text search of your library something stupidly lacking on the iPhone.

I wouldn't even compare RIM's wimpy browser to Safari on the iPhone. Not to mention that you want to try to compare Bold's Media player to a tried and true UI like the iPod.

The Bold is also very easy to tether, and doesn't need to be hacked.

Neither does the iPhone, AT&T is reported as coming with an iPhone tether plan.

email is amazing on the bold as well and you get push with up to 10 of your email addresses, it's something that you'll never see on the iPhone.

While RIM devices are in fact excellent email devices, I've had push email for well over a year. Where are you getting your information from?

The screen on the Bold is mindblowingly good as well, probably the best looking screen I've seen on a smartphone.

It does look pretty good, just a bit small is all.

Personally I never really liked the screen on the iPhone 3G that much, the first iPhone I think had a better screen, the 3G screen always had this kinda muted look to me and has this slight greenish yellow tint that bothers me.

They use the exact same screen, not sure what you saw.

The stereo speakerphone on the Bold is also the best on any phone and even better than a number of laptops as well believe it or not, it is that good. The camera on the Bold is better than the iPhone (same MP but the pics are noticeably better) and has a very useful flash and takes video.

I haven't seen these yet but kudos to RIM if this is true.

The best thing to do is try them out in an AT&T store Both have their strengths and weakness, but I think the Bold overall is a better more flexible experience. The battery also lasts quite a bit longer on the Bold than on the iPhone.

Best thing you have said all post, try both out as they each have strengths and weaknesses. Given the comparisons, I just feel that for most peoples needs, iPhone has more strengths.

 

[8767092]

A post that isn't quoted here. See above.

Actually the workaround I was trying to mention was the email alerts for Beejive IM messages when it is closed and similar things like that. I don't use Backgrounder or any of the jailbroken solutions nor would I suggest they be used. They're not bad if people want to use them, but I wouldn't suggest it.

My use of VNC/RDP is mostly limited to rebooting a server via a page only accessible via an Internet Explorer plugin on a local intranet (all on a network only accessible via VPN) so the fastest way to get in is to use VNC/RDP (depending on the client computer). There is no way around it, but it isn't so bad if you're on a good 3G connection. I would never attempt it via EDGE.

The BES could still apply if the OP were to subscribe to a service that provided BES email for a monthly fee rather than setting up on a corporate network. I know many people that use those services for $20+ per month in addition to the fees they pay at&t because the BIS services just don't do the trick. The reason BIS polling isn't an option (for me) is simple. Why have a Blackberry and pay all that money if you're just going to use polling to get email at a set interval? There are plenty of software packages that don't require an additional monthly fee that can do IMAP polling directly from the phone itself with many supporting IMAP idle which is superior to the BIS solution.

Our "corporate" IM server is really cobbled together from open source software. We aren't subject to the same type of auditing some are when they need logs that are required by law. Our department wouldn't have anything to do with the type of IM software that some companies try to sell. It would eat too much of our budget and is just a pain to maintain. We're just required to use it for internal communication because it is all logged in case of a lawsuit and the legal department approved this system for our usage.

I found the Blackberry to be more expensive and limited for my use case for these reasons:

1) BIS or BES needed for Blackberry push email.
2) BIS/BES and APN data plans needed to use some applications.
3) BIS required all email to be forwarded to one address to actually use push email which made sorting email difficult on the device.
4) I'm less accurate on the physical keyboard than I am on the virtual keyboard. It is my theory that the reason for this is simply that the virtual keyboard compensates for my inaccuracy by predicting which letter I am trying to press.
5) I don't like the Storm's "clicking" touch screen.
6) It can't do all the "extra" tasks the iPhone can with software from the AppStore.

I have nothing against the Blackberry as a device if it is what you prefer, but the OP was asking for a comparison. I think our discussion has highlighted some interesting comparisons between them so it has been very productive.

 

[Rat-Boy]

The Bold physical QWERTY is way better than the the iPhone virtual keyboard, in landscape mode the iPhone isn't bad but the portrait keyboard sucks big time. The thing of course is that Apple stupidly doesn't make the landscape keyboard available where it would be most useful (email and texting)

The iPhone has the better browser and the App Store, but 95% of the software on the App Store is novelty junk,

Funny.

One of those "junk" applications in the App Store allows a Landscape Keyboard to compose Email.

Now, can you point me to the application that makes the Bold's keys bigger for me?

It is a matter of personal preference. I have used both and currently have the BB8800 as well as the iPhone.

For me, for a PERSONAL cell phone, the iPhone is the best overall choice. Sure, the Bold can do a few things better. But the iPhone can also do some things better. And all things considered, I think the things the iPhone do better makes the iPhone the better choice for personal use.

But if you work in IT, or politics, or medical, then maybe you need the speed of the Blackberry email via PUSH.

 

[Shackler]

you guys are so petty.
at the end of the day does it really matter what some guy a forum says about your favourite phone. neither of you will switch to other said because of what someone says, why bother.
everyone has their own prefrences. if any one phone was perfect in EVERY way everyone would have it.
just breathe people its just a phone at the end of the day and wont matter 5, even 2, years from now.

 

[Rat-Boy]

you guys are so petty.
at the end of the day does it really matter what some guy a forum says about your favourite phone. neither of you will switch to other said because of what someone says, why bother.
everyone has their own prefrences. if any one phone was perfect in EVERY way everyone would have it.
just breathe people its just a phone at the end of the day and wont matter 5, even 2, years from now.

2 years?

Heck..

In a year or less, BOTH companies will have a better product than the Bold and iPhone 3G anyway..

 

[jav6454]

I currently have the 2g iPhone but am tired of the awful battery life, endless lockups, and dropped calls. I am really wanting a bold because I am tired the touchscreen. Been reading a lot on crackberry about problems with the bold and got me nervous. I also am nervous about giving up my full internet browser. I am either going to get a refurb 3g iPhone or Blackberry Bold

Things I use phone for:
mainly texting (most important)
checking email and some replying to emails
surfing the web
gaming

If anyone has experience with both devices please help!

Thanks in advance!

You are going to get biased answers here. But I see one of the things you want to do is game. The iPhone is way better for gaming than the Bold. Can you play Monkey Ball on the Bold? How about racing games? iShoot? Lol, I'm being stupid now.

 

[thatappleguytoday]

you really can't read anything of this forum anymore. all little kids running there mouths and sounding ignorant. it's actually really depressing this forum.

I was gonna give my opinion to the OP (since I had the Bold for 2 months) but after reading 2 pages on nonsense, I think this thread is junk. Just like most of them on macrumors

 

[TheSpaz]

If you already have an iPhone, you might get the Blackberry and wish you had your iPhone again. I know a few people who had iPhones and thought they could get something better and as soon as they got the "better" phone, they returned it and got an iPhone again. The iPhone may lack a lot of features, but you can't argue that it's beautifully designed and very easy to navigate and use.

My suggestion is... try out a BlackBerry Bold. I believe AT&T gives you 30 days to try it. We don't really like your preferences, so it's hard for us to tell you exactly what you want... the best thing to do is try for yourself and see what you prefer.

PS. I don't usually respond to threads like this... but, I'm feelin' good today.

 

[briand05]

Funny.

One of those "junk" applications in the App Store allows a Landscape Keyboard to compose Email.

Now, can you point me to the application that makes the Bold's keys bigger for me?

It is a matter of personal preference. I have used both and currently have the BB8800 as well as the iPhone.

For me, for a PERSONAL cell phone, the iPhone is the best overall choice. Sure, the Bold can do a few things better. But the iPhone can also do some things better. And all things considered, I think the things the iPhone do better makes the iPhone the better choice for personal use.

But if you work in IT, or politics, or medical, then maybe you need the speed of the Blackberry email via PUSH.

I didn't say EVERY SINGLE app in the App store was junk, there are a number of nice apps in the App store but there is much junk to weed through to find them. I know all about the fact that there's a nice little app that allows you to workaround Apple's ridiculous limitation, that doesn't change the fact that it should be default functionality. The iPhone is a fine device and I think it has had a positive effect on the industry. It is not flawless however, there is nothing wrong with pointing out the clear flaws of the device. The Bold has flaws as well, like Browser is not the best, however IMO like I said I think it is overall better and more well rounded than the iPhone at this time. Everybody's personal use is different too, many people use their phone seemingly solely for texting say, that would be personal use...and the Bold I think is clearly a better choice for this type of person. All I was really saying is if messaging is key to you while web browsing and gaming are more secondary then IMO the Bold is better for that type of person. Now switch that scenario around and say web browsing and gaming are key to you while messaging takes more of a back seat then the iPhone is definitely the way to go.

 

[JForestZ34]

I don;t know why everybody is saying that MMS is old technology. Just because the iphone doesn't have it and only using e-mail doesn't make MMS old.. E-mailing is far from new, we have been using that for years.. I would still prefer MMS over e-mailing UNLESS it was for a picture I needed to print, but for just a quick picture MMS is fine for me.. There was one post that a user said he almost gets 2 full days and his battery life is still almost near 100%, I call big time BS... On my iphone I can almost get 1 full day and that's maybe making 1 phone call checking my e-mail 3 times and texting my friends or about 10 mins and my battery is at half already... I don't know if it's my battery or not but I know alot of other people STILL getting poor battery life...


James

 

[bytethese]

I don;t know why everybody is saying that MMS is old technology. Just because the iphone doesn't have it and only using e-mail doesn't make MMS old.. E-mailing is far from new, we have been using that for years.. I would still prefer MMS over e-mailing UNLESS it was for a picture I needed to print, but for just a quick picture MMS is fine for me.. There was one post that a user said he almost gets 2 full days and his battery life is still almost near 100%, I call big time BS... On my iphone I can almost get 1 full day and that's maybe making 1 phone call checking my e-mail 3 times and texting my friends or about 10 mins and my battery is at half already... I don't know if it's my battery or not but I know alot of other people STILL getting poor battery life...


James

Because Email is superior to MMS, that's why. I call BS on your BS. I can get 2 days easy on my iPhone. If I don't watch movies, use the GPS, etc. however, I prefer watching movie on teh subway daily, setting my email to Push, use WiFi at the office, etc so I get 1-1.5 day(s) from my iPhone battery. It's all how you use it and what settings you have enabled.

 

[Martin Finch]

Yep yep yep, iPhone 3G mainly because of the UI

Best of luck,
-M

 

[JForestZ34]

Because Email is superior to MMS, that's why. I call BS on your BS. I can get 2 days easy on my iPhone. If I don't watch movies, use the GPS, etc. however, I prefer watching movie on teh subway daily, setting my email to Push, use WiFi at the office, etc so I get 1-1.5 day(s) from my iPhone battery. It's all how you use it and what settings you have enabled.

Well then something must be wrong with my phone then. I have 3G on, Push off with wi-fi and location services off also.. And I'll be lucky if I can 1 full day out of it.. I've calibrated the battery and such.. If I call on the phone it's maybe a total of 10 mins throughout the whole day... MAybe I'll bring it in the the apple store then...


James..

 

[dcail07]

I'm not familiar with "push" email. The email I set up is for my college email address and I set it up with the WAP # and such.

I'm really digging the Bold but it's so damn expensive. Can I get a none baised answer on battery life and cell service between the two?

 

[Rat-Boy]

Well then something must be wrong with my phone then. I have 3G on, Push off with wi-fi and location services off also.. And I'll be lucky if I can 1 full day out of it.. I've calibrated the battery and such.. If I call on the phone it's maybe a total of 10 mins throughout the whole day... MAybe I'll bring it in the the apple store then...


James..

I would honestly take that to Apple FOR SURE.

I have EVERYTHING on except for PUSH.

I can get 3-4 hours of usage and charge it once every two days.

 

[Rat-Boy]

I didn't say EVERY SINGLE app in the App store was junk, there are a number of nice apps in the App store but there is much junk to weed through to find them. I know all about the fact that there's a nice little app that allows you to workaround Apple's ridiculous limitation, that doesn't change the fact that it should be default functionality. The iPhone is a fine device and I think it has had a positive effect on the industry. It is not flawless however, there is nothing wrong with pointing out the clear flaws of the device. The Bold has flaws as well, like Browser is not the best, however IMO like I said I think it is overall better and more well rounded than the iPhone at this time. Everybody's personal use is different too, many people use their phone seemingly solely for texting say, that would be personal use...and the Bold I think is clearly a better choice for this type of person. All I was really saying is if messaging is key to you while web browsing and gaming are more secondary then IMO the Bold is better for that type of person. Now switch that scenario around and say web browsing and gaming are key to you while messaging takes more of a back seat then the iPhone is definitely the way to go.

Where do you go to get Bold apps?

And on messaging, we can agree to disagree.

I have owned a RIM 950, Pearl, Curve and now have an 8800 for work.

And I have an iPhone3G.

I actually PREFER emailing on my iPhone. The keys are TWICE the size in Landscape mode.

I would say the ONLY reason to pick a Bold over an iPhone, is if you just gotta have that ancient technology known as MMS.

But other than that one reason, I don't think one firmly beats out the other just on messaging alone.