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If that wink was directed at my guess of the announcement date...I did say the "week of the 12th". We have till Friday before I concede. ;)

UK's O2 says "no more in store". Officially start the clock, The current iPhone has been EOL'd. They're not going to want to wait too long to not sell this. T -35 days to the Apple keynote. They've clearly learnt the lesson of not selling old product before new product coming out, to minimise irate buyers who haven't a clue about upcoming changes. (Advert discrepancy caught courtesy of johnnyjibbs on the front page thread)

AT&T - Are they
a) Doing a silent EOL
b) Actually going to announce EOL
c) Selling iPhones? Will be interesting to follow stock availability from now on.

U.S.'s AT&T says "free wifi" :) On AT&T's iPhone website under the "plans" tab - they've updated it to show that each iPhone plan now includes access to their "more than 17,000 Wi-Fi hotspots, including Starbucks all for use in the U.S." - You knew about this, but it's AT&T official.

I wonder when the new contracts start running? Does this mean a current iPhone model bought today gets access? Do older contracts get a bump ? I imagine everyone gets a contract Terms and conditions change when AT&T announces new T&C for the 3G iPhone.

"If phone is returned within 30 days in like-new condition with all components, early termination fee will be waived. "
(Has this always been in the iPhone T&C: "1. International messages not included. Charges for international messages sent from the U.S. are 20¢ for Text Messages and 50¢ for Picture/Video Messages. 2. Additional charges for premium messages and content apply. Messages over 300 KBs billed and additional 50¢/message." ?)
AT&T's return policy: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/return-policy.jsp
"If the equipment you purchased does not meet your expectations, simply return it either to a store or by mail within 30 days from the date the equipment was purchased or shipped."

They needed to do this to give themselves a 30 day buffer I guess.

.Mac gets pushed
http://www.tuaw.com/2008/05/07/mac-push-e-mail-coming-to-iphone-2-0/
Emails first. Pictures, contacts to follow no doubt!

Zune.
I hate slimey shifty moves like this.It's a politician's quote. They "deny" that they will be placing a filter in their Zune:
"Microsoft has no plans or commitments to implement content filtering features in the Zune family of devices as part of our content distribution deal with NBC," But, that isn't what it seems - they're saying
we don't plan and have not committed to content filter via Zune "as part of our NBC deal". So they're free to do it with every other deal...


Edit: It's hit Techmeme: http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008...-launch-iphone-3g-a-lot-sooner-than-we-think/ (though they got the AT&T no holiday dates wrong).

If http://arstechnica.com/journals/app...creates-impressive-mac-os-x-multi-touch-table
why can't Apple?
 

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"If phone is returned within 30 days in like-new condition with all components, early termination fee will be waived. "
(Has this always been in the iPhone T&C: "1. International messages not included. Charges for international messages sent from the U.S. are 20¢ for Text Messages and 50¢ for Picture/Video Messages. 2. Additional charges for premium messages and content apply. Messages over 300 KBs billed and additional 50¢/message." ?)
AT&T's return policy: http://www.wireless.att.com/cell-phone-service/legal/return-policy.jsp
"If the equipment you purchased does not meet your expectations, simply return it either to a store or by mail within 30 days from the date the equipment was purchased or shipped."

Unfortunately, right below that is the Apple Branded return policy which states that the return window is only 14 days.
 
Unfortunately, right below that is the Apple Branded return policy which states that the return window is only 14 days.

In the UK, most places can return up to 28 days later. Your mileage may vary. I think Apple will have learnt it's lesson?

When's it coming?
Just as a side thought, if Apple do go U.S. only at time of release, then Europe say 2 weeks after, and the phone is unlockable, isn't there going to be a rather large demand from non US citizens at US stores still? It'll bottleneck sales?

2-7 weeks of unavailability in the UK and US plus will get other's stocks to run dry, and this will funnel into a spike of interest. 10m iPhones sold in 2008. (Note they're making 2 million I think in June of the handsets? I need to check - it's on the thread somewhere).

I think it's fair to say consensus is now that the U.S. release is late July at the latest). let's hope they aren't going to piss Europe off with a wait any more than 2 weeks delay.

But to be honest - the iPhone has grown up - it's going global, and it's going to do it with aplomb :)


On the plus side - Anyone in the U.S. -- this might be a seller's market coming up. if you can buy >1 at a time, and resell, these might sell faster than Wii hotcakes hehe.
 
2-7 weeks of unavailability in the UK and US plus will get other's stocks to run dry, and this will funnel into a spike of interest.

Only if Apple announces what new features the phone will have, and soon. And they're extra good.

Otherwise, iPhone unavailability could translate into sales of other phones... especially the Diamond, since it'll be free with contract on every major European carrier.

The good news is that Apple is finally waking up to the sales possible by not being carrier exclusive.
 
Only if Apple announces what new features the phone will have, and soon. And they're extra good.

Otherwise, iPhone unavailability could translate into sales of other phones... especially the Diamond, since it'll be free with contract on every major European carrier.

The good news is that Apple is finally waking up to the sales possible by not being carrier exclusive.

oops - Should have had a ? on the end of the quote you quoted :)

Who knows if going carrier exclusive for US, UK etc, then non-exclusive elsewhere wasn't the plan all along? I.e. exclusivity only in the first few markets, so the exception in the worldwide rollout plan, rather than the rule. Apple needed willing networks to prove the iPhone was going to work.

Nice for Apple whilst it lasted. (Which will be in the terms of years we presume, for UK, US...)

Piper Jaffray analyst Gene Munster: "The iPhone’s international rollout is about 6 months ahead of our original expectations.”

iPhone unavailability doesn't necessarily mean loss of sales. Apple could easily get press previews. Who's to say they won't just go Booom! And come out with teaser adverts now? Apple has only whipped up the fan boy element. It needs to build up the general public now, prior to the announcement of it, prior to its release. With all the logistics of the rollout, i imagine it's been planned out well in advance (barring a last minute change from Jobs).
 
O2 - Have more stock. False alarm. Apologies

O2 has reportedly told Register Hardware that it’s currently in the process of replenishing stocks of the 16GB iPhone to be sold online, but that its retail stores still have the model in stock. O2's website is again reflecting stock of the 16GB model.

So why the graphic? Red herring perhaps.

Interesting

Must have missed this the first time - Apple TV becomes gaming console? This is what I've been looking for. It ain't Zcam yet... But it's a start. Build a IR on the iPhone perhaps, and boom, games on your TV?

Apple in a new patent filing reveals that it is conducting research on a 3D remote control system for its Apple TV set-top box that would mimic the functionality of the Nintendo Wii controller and also deliver some features akin to its multi-touch technology.
In the November 2006 filing, published for the first time this week, the Cupertino-based electronics maker notes that the three-dimensional remote control systems can detect an absolute location to which a remote control is pointing in first and second orthogonal axes (e.g., the x- and y-axes) and an absolute position of the remote control in a third orthogonal axis (e.g., the z-axis).

So - if the controller also had accelerometers in.... It could then give absolute position detection with relative motion, indicate changes in the position of the remote control in all 3 axes.

"[The] remote control system also can include optional console . Console can have controller that can perform some or all of the processing described for controller," the filing states in an obvious reference to Apple TV. "Console also can have one or more connectors to which accessories can be coupled. Accessories can include cables and/or, game cartridges, portable memory devices (e.g., memory cards, external hard drives, etc.), adapters for interfacing with another electronic device (e.g., computers, camcorders, cameras, media players, etc.), or combinations thereof."

It adds that, "the absolute x- and y-positions of [the] remote control can be used, for example, in video games to position a user's character or to otherwise track the movement of the remote control in a user's environment."
In addition, Apple notes, the remote control can also "zoom into and out of an image or a portion thereof based on the absolute position of the remote control in the third axis." Such functionality would appear to go hand in hand with the photo and video browser components of Apple TV, mimicking one aspect of its multi-touch present on the iPhone, MacBook Air, and MacBook Pro.

So Apple TV might get gaming? (And the Apps store could then hit the Apple TV, and have games on it if the Apple TV could interact with a 3G iPhone)

Last February, Greg Canessa of PopCap games singled out Apple TV as a platform he expects to embrace casual gaming over the next five years, and suggested that work was already in progress at his studio to deliver games for the device.

Would be an interesting twist to the Apple TV. Also it'll be interesting to see if anything more on whether Europe is finally getting licencing sorted out for Apple TV VOD etc. (If it isn't working with iPhones, could it be akin to an Apple remote, or have that function also?)

Also: iTunes already has code in for games since 7.1 (We're at 7.6, and WWDC will Definitely bring us to either iTunes 8 or 7.7


Imagine if Apple went one further, and was the first platform to bring in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd3-eiid-Uw

You remember that headset patent? perhaps there's one for a patent on the IR headset?

http://www.slashgear.com/wii-hack-creates-3d-virtual-reality-head-tracking-system-099545.php

Carnegie Mellon University’s Johnny Chung Lee (He's done TED too to my knowledge)
or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvIlKSA0BA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyvIlKSA0BA
The laptops could integrate the IR sensors/lights like the webcam.

Is this blue sky thinking? What was that rumor about updating the accelerometers?
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/04/09/3g-iphone-pricing-to-remain-at-399-499-launch-at-wwdc/
They could bake the coding into the SDK - (I don't want to step too close to the NDA, but the accelerometers are precise and can give a very high frequency of output data).

Why would an insider mention Accelerometer tweaks? (Increased sensitivity?) http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/36865/145/
It opens up fine grain gestures, fine grain usage as a UI (gaming, general)
Macrumors thread is now here.


Beyond this
This could effectively become multi-touch at a distance. Zcam style. The iGlove - for all your Mission impossible type needs...
Engelbart would presumably love this - it might not have a chord keyboard, but if Apple could pull it off it'd be a great UI win. Maybe not down the line, but there is slow progression not so much away from keyboard and mouse exclusively, but towards complementing them with multitouch gestures. pointing, stretching, skewing, pinching, tossing away, swiping and the like. All you need would be to redesign the screens, and you're ready. How long have the ACD's not refreshed? hehe. If it was contained within the normal shape of the ACD / laptop screen, you could always not use it and turn off the function. (Plus, for desktops, it'd tie in Mac Pros to newfangled 3D positioning screens ACDs. Could Johnny hack this to whiteboards?


Edit: Does that explain the "extra" sensor from previous rumours?

https://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/1...ltitouch-gesturing-control-panel-in-mac-os-x/
Is this - coming to iPhone too.?

Heck - CNN's got a Perspective Pixel screen https://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/08/jeff-hans-multitouch-screen-hits-mainstream/


Endgadget:
Apple patents out-there stuff all the time that never sees the light of day, and we're sure Nintendo wouldn't be all friendly about Apple turning the Apple TV into a Wii-killer. But hey, let's not let facts get in the way of unadulterated magnificence.
 

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You may have seen this Apple parody.

What if we do see an Apple "i" ? No doubt it'll be a bit more discrete.

In terms of gaming as above, it's already been mentioned on other threads that the iMac has got a lot more powerful. Is it getting ready to become a games machine too?

You're going to need a mobi juicer methinks.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/17/apple-files-for-head-mounted-laser-display-patent-death-of-styl/

Recognition of body movement and position in 3D space? http://feeds.wired.com/~r/wired/topheadlines/~3/286480305/sexdrive_0509


Would Apple pair with the FON network and BT Openzone hotspots in the UK? (there is the iFon app if you have access already or want to pay, but would there be an exclusivity agreement with The Cloud?)

.Mac
Seems to be having more than just a small refresh - push email, with probable full over the air synching of calendars, contacts and email; .Mac synching on Windows and more. (From TUAW and their "source".

.Mac syncing on Windows. Playing nice with such features will be useful. One iPhone to rule them all - that's PDA, GPS, Phone, Camera, Video recorder, Internet device, Video player, music player, games machine, universal IR controller...

These features will raise the bar and versatility of Apple’s sometimes criticised subscription-only service, while enabling .Mac users to enjoy similar features to those offered through Microsoft Exchange.

O2
Their customer service seems to be pretty much on message - they don't know nothing, they're from Barcelona, out of stock of both, there may be some left in O2 stores. Don't know anything about any events.
Previously - the customer support did know a few weeks before O2 announced it was a network partner with Apple.

El reg says that O2 is resupplying, but as of today I don't think so. Checking this afternoon, 2 counties near me are out of stock, customer services reps on the phone don't have the foggiest, and they've been out of stock of both 8GB and 16GB for several weeks. No word on deliveries at all, nothing from on high. until stores show any replenished stock, I wouldn't necessarily take O2's word on it.

Realistically, there are only 2 Tuesdays left to have an announcement giving the press a week to get ready for a conference. Apple is staying shtum.
 

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Apple's worldwide market in pictures. Courtesy of the idea from macobserver. Better to visualise (is there a wiki way to do this so it doesn't degrade quality over time as you resave after adding new countries?)


http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/S/SWEDEN_INTEL_WIMAX?SITE=CASRP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT
http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=2
http://www.mapsofworld.com/world-population-density.htm
http://www.globalbydesign.com/resources/articles/world_population_map.html

"Out of every 100 persons added to the population in the coming decade, 97 will live in developing countries." Hania Zlotnik, 2005

Box view map shows population by area
Squishy map shows population by area
The attached image shows Rogers, AT&T, O2, Vodaphone & Movil (Special cases being Italy, Australia so far). (I think i've missed France out this time round).
It shows really how much extent Movil covers, along with Rogers & AT&T for America. Adding China & Russia will be big areas on these maps.
 

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fellas fellas fellas....

this is by all means ammusing (and very informative) ...

but I dont want a geography lesson

I want to know when this DAM Iphone is comming out.

I can't wait any longer...:eek:
 
fellas fellas fellas....
this is by all means ammusing (and very informative) ...
but I dont want a geography lesson
I want to know when this DAM Iphone is comming out.
I can't wait any longer...:eek:

Late July or earlier for U.S.
UK and others are likely to be a few weeks later. Chill ;)
 
I just watched the March 6th keynote again and was glad to find out that you can download apps over the EDGE network, even though we might have the 3G iPhone around that time.

I also have a question. Will the AOL Istant Messenger app and app where you can alter pictures be available the day the software releases?
 
Late July or earlier for U.S.
UK and others are likely to be a few weeks later.

Yes, "Wildcardd Day" was just wishful thinking. June it is.

Here is where I would place my bets as of today:
20% Chance Announcement in May.
80% Chance Announcement come WWDC.

The 20% will go down each day from here on out we don't see an invite to a special Announcement and the 80% gets larger.

If we don't hear anything 3 weeks prior to WWDC, "all in" on an announcement then.
 
Gizmodo had a funny article about the shortage in NYC. 30 people in line waiting for the iPhone, not the 3G version, the 2.5G. Uggh, when I hear reports like this, it makes me wonder what the heck Apple is doing.

http://gizmodo.com/388517/first-gen-iphone-shortage-hits-nyc

I know they are restricting shipments to tightly manage their current inventories, but hey they can't keep them in stock and it appears that they are tightening the reins.

Soon...oh so very soon. Boom!
 
Yes, "Wildcardd Day" was just wishful thinking. June it is.

Here is where I would place my bets as of today:
20% Chance Announcement in May.
80% Chance Announcement come WWDC.

The 20% will go down each day from here on out we don't see an invite to a special Announcement and the 80% gets larger.

If we don't hear anything 3 weeks prior to WWDC, "all in" on an announcement then.

Apple's got the teasing and ubild up down to an art, and us fan boys have it down pat too. Am late for a performance, so will post later, till then


300,000 - What would that cover - The U.S. for a week? I'm wondering numbers. That's reported May production. So if it's out in June, and they make a million, that shuold surely cover more than the U.S. if the launch is late June to the OS 2.0 launch (who's date isn't set in stone).

http://www.9to5mac.com/apple_india_growth_story


India - http://www.9to5mac.com/apple_india_growth_story
India population = 1,120,000,000 (1.1 billion)
U.S. population = >300,000,000 (0.3 billion)

Would Apple spring a screen resolution bump on developers? (http://arstechnica.com/journals/app...uch-support-720x576-rather-than-640x480-video)
 
with iphone unavailable in both the uk and us apple online stores, i think wildcardd day could be on.
 
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to the forums. But what exactly is Wildcard day and why is it significant to perhaps warrant a big announcement? Thanks
 
Forgive me for asking, I'm new to the forums. But what exactly is Wildcard day and why is it significant to perhaps warrant a big announcement? Thanks

one of the members here, wildcardd, was predicting a release of the new iphone next week.
 
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