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3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much
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I was going through the HTC Touch presentation, and saw they were bigging up the HSDPA HUSPA part of it. And the SGOLD3H can do that. It's seen as 3.5G or 3.75G. Thought i'd change the title. It was know about a while back (e.g.February and again in ]March in this thread. And presumably all the way back to when the chip was first announced (ug, can't see on Infineon site, but i'm guessing early 2007 or before)
We've already got a thread saying the 3.75G iPhone is old news as there's a (fugly) Sony Ericsson (Anyone know the name of it?)
Is it a bird? Is it a plane? It's an anonymous model MID (that ain't no pocket sized mobile)
badabing, badaboom
And another thing
Ok, anyone remember the previous comment about voice recognition - What's to stop an app to do this, and link in with the phone/ in house app ? handwriting recognition and you gotta think - what else can it do...
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Look at the picture again. Thats not SonyEricsson, but Ericsson device. These days Ericsson (the parent company) only makes mobile-network technology.
Device in your picture isn't intended to be used by any consumers. It's a device meant to interact with LTE-networks, which are currently in test phase. Only people using those are engineers on Ericsson and engineers of their customers (mobile-network providers).
Ps. It will take at least 2 years before there's any commercial LTE networks, and even then you'll propably see them only in places like bigger cities in Finland, Japan and Sweden. LTE might be mainstream tech in 3-4 years. Anybody saying 3G iPhone is outdated due to LTE just don't know what they are talking about.
Good point. My bad on the Sony bit. Anything with a bit less Sony is a bit better in my book (as a general rule).
When I looked at it, the first thing I thought of was a BT phone man's communicator. A box to do stuff with. Nout else.
If it is LTE, then yeah. U.S. is only just saying hello to 3G hehe. (And the carriers in Europe are wanting to actually get something from their overpriced expensive 3G licences before even thinking of 4G. - Hell O2 only just got 80% coverage in the UK by population. That's 3G, not HSDPA (which unfortunately only really covers main cities as far as i can tell when i used the O2 map system a week ago).
Someone fed the troll accidently I think
Guess nothing's planned for next Tuesday then
(Though Schiller's footprints are all over the barrage of quasi announcements about arrier info, leaks from the carriers, confirmations from the carriers, and my personal favorite again - the mysterious "sources in the know" that have cropped up recently...
It's cool. Don't have the article to hand, but basically in Japanese you narrow down the choices phonetically i think. Ugh, I read it today.
Give me a minute and i'll search fro the article and update htis post
Japanese Input Keyboards on iPhone 2.0
Sure there is another one from someone who's used it.
https://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/05/06/diopen-handwriting-recognition-for-iphone/
https://www.macrumors.com/2008/05/0...e-handwriting-recognition-in-iphone-2-0-beta/
It kinda links in with cursive stuff -
http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/05/cursive_recogni.html
Here: Found it
It's a LTE test-unit that Ericsson demoed in GSMworld 2008 conference in Barcelona few weeks ago. Testing here meaning the LTE technology itself more than the actual future LTE supporting phones.
Yet another supposed 'leaked' photo.
Ignore the reflection on the screen of the camera man and direct your attention to the upper-left portion of the screen. What's that circular object that you can so faintly see? A behind the front glass camera? Video chat anyone?
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_and_piper_outlooks_new_3g_iphone_photo.html
Ignore the reflection on the screen of the camera man and direct your attention to the upper-left portion of the screen. What's that circular object that you can so faintly see? A behind the front glass camera? Video chat anyone?
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...s_and_piper_outlooks_new_3g_iphone_photo.html
Let me just follow that up with:
http://www.iphonealley.com/news/htc-diamond-has-video-chatting-better-screen-than-iphone
Uh-oh apple, htc's new diamond has front mounted camera, whatcha gonna do about that? huuuuuuh?
If that wink was directed at my guess of the announcement date...I did say the "week of the 12th". We have till Friday before I concede.
Let me just follow that up with:
http://www.iphonealley.com/news/htc-diamond-has-video-chatting-better-screen-than-iphone
Uh-oh apple, htc's new diamond has front mounted camera, whatcha gonna do about that? huuuuuuh?
zcam ftw
(Apple - Buy them out!)
I'm thinking OLED kick ass ppi ftw.
Yes. Twas. But the hand of Apple is amongst us. So to speak. Apple has leaked so much recently. The surprise twist, the one more thing (at least in terms of iPhone) - Haptics? OLED screen, an inbuilt taser (booom!) an inbuilt basil brush? (
). Who knows. Most of what's covered on the thread is cool because it's potential to actually be on the device come June/July/(August - hmmm).AT&T say the Launch date
In a way
Apple's WWDC is between June 9-13th
Reminds me of the current The Apprentice: Sugar's reaction to the exclusivity deals made on behalf of the icecream makers without their knowledge.
Have a photo hehe.Have i mentioned I love this thread yet....well, I love this thread.
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You crazy Brits...I had to look that one up.
For anyone else confused as to what/who Basil Brush is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basil_Brush
Boom! Boom! to you T.
So was the flurry of carrier info designed to snub HTC's press demo yesterday? Bit quieter today... Nout of interest, bad FAIL photoshop fotos...
Add 15 countries today (or so) via America Movil. ("In the U.S., it operates under the trademark TracFone, and claims to be the leading national pre-paid wireless service." From wiki)
Brazil, Chile Dominican Republic El Salvador Guatemala Honduras Nicaragua Perú Argentina Uruguay Paraguay Puerto Rico Colombia Ecuador Mexico Jamaica
And Orange wanted to join in the party, saying it's thinking about Spain, Poland, "amongst others".
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5403419/ amended accordingly. It's getting more bold countries by the day!
Add 15 countries today (or so) via America Movil. ("In the U.S., it operates under the trademark TracFone, and claims to be the leading national pre-paid wireless service." From wiki)
Brazil, Chile Dominican Republic El Salvador Guatemala Honduras Nicaragua Perú Argentina Uruguay Paraguay Puerto Rico Colombia Ecuador Mexico Jamaica
And Orange wanted to join in the party, saying it's thinking about Spain, Poland, "amongst others".
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5403419/ amended accordingly. It's getting more bold countries by the day!
And big cities in the USA, since Verizon's roadmap shows deployment beginning in 2010. ATT also.
Once someone shows it's lucrative, everyone will want in. (Can they top texting as the most expensive per megabyte data activity? We shall see).
In terms of carriers for a certain country vaunting their distribution rights: - a mini guess - within say 7 days, most of the big players not announced will have announced distribution rights for the Nordic countries, Russia, China, & Japan (might not be DoCoMo). Interestingly all these countries all have their native language already in the 2.0 OS Software.
Everyone has an in-built accelerometer
We don't know Apple's true patent coverage, but I imagine there is going to be some dodging round them from other companies. I take your point though - can they patent accelerometer use for a certain thing, or is it too mainstream?Adobe's Flash in the pan?
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...with_the_open_screen_project_part_3_of_3.html
Maybe Jobs was right after all
Unlocked phones?
Getting cosy in Australia - Optus, Vodaphone and Telstra...
Everyone has an in-built accelerometer
Even cameras had accelerometers to turn the picture a while back.
Unless you can point out an issued patent that you think covers the situation, there's no reason to bring up the topic.
I know that people went ga-ga over the idea that Apple applied for "200 patents", but I suspect a lot were design patents for the way it looks. Most normal utility patents usually also involve something so model specific that it doesn't count.
As for Flash. It's not just video. Other phones will soon come stock with support for Adobe Flash/AIR, MS Silverlight, and Sun JavaME and JavaFX. Apple will step to the back of the business line again if they continue to ignore reality. Or perhaps they have their own tool up their sleeve. Personally, I'd love to see one universal development method.
I think I got the areas there might be patent infringement wrong, but i'd been misquoted anyhow ( I said in rough discussion of the
HTC press junket, that what was shown displayed that HTC was a a rival, bar the lack of iTunes, and "It has things near to Apple's patents. (Cover flow, accelerometer use)". I don't believe Apple has a patent on accelerometer use in general. Maybe a patent for a specific design/use. I'd be curious to see a compendium (macrumors displays some, but I imagine there are better archived patent sites for Apple).
As for Flash - Apple at the back of what line? Ignore what reality?
Apple's gunning for open source H.264 support. Didn't know that was a bad thing...
The W3C, in conjunction with Apple, Mozilla, and Opera, is working to develop HMTL 5 as a more ideal basis for rich Internet applications, with support for immediate mode drawing, offline data, inline editing, and drag and drop interaction baked right into the web rather than layered on top with a plugin runtime like Flash.
"And how are the existing licensees of Adobe's Flash Lite on mobile phones (LG, Nokia, NTT DoCoMo, Qualcomm, Samsung, Sony Ericsson, Toshiba, and Verizon Wireless) going to do anything to promote Flash-based rich Internet apps when their devices can't even run the full version of Flash?"
Well unless they create new technology (as in a new way to create, use or embed ) the accelerometer, no.
maybe Steve melded his unique reality distortion field into a new technology involving accelerometers...
I agree. rubarb patents?
It isn't bad, but it isn't going to be in widespread usage - it's too easy to capture the streams compared to the DRM work being done with Flash.
Most broadcasters contracts with all sorts of people rely on their content only being streamable and not being permanently downloadable - as it stands they will invest in Flash or Silverlight in a big way over an open source implementation of H.264 that can be so trivially captured.
The BBC's fiasco with using H.264 for the iPhone didn't exactly sell the idea of using it to other broadcasters worldwide.
And people will follow the content.
Phazer
The Beeb's fiasco was the iPlayer at the start with DRM, not H.264. It was a disgusting mess. (And incompatible with Macs).
Because it isn't hard to share broadcasted content anyhow
See VOD - they've moved to it because they've finally twigged it = ££. Better to sell VOD, than lose a DVD sale as someone got the iso from p2p because they were so slow releasing it...
I'll grant you it's by no means an ended fight. Silverlight's got to come out of the blocks running, to get ready for the anticipated demand for the internet video footage from the Olympics.
People don't just follow the content. They grab it, even when they're told not to. They share it, they rip it, they mash it.
http://work.whoischarles.com/content/flash-player-adoption-rates-part-2-worldwide-use
Unfortunately, Flash isn't really ready for non-desktop use. Jobs' thoughts on Flash Lite? That it "is not capable of being used with the web."
# of mobile phone users worldwide (~2 billion) > # of desktops worldwide.
And how many full blown Flash mobile phones are there? versus mobile phones that can use H.264?
Adoption of Flash worldwide on desktops? Adobe claims >98=9.0% of all Internet desktop users have the Flash Player installed.
Flash - so good Adobe tried to kill it, until they bought it up via acquiring Macromedia. Primarily, if flash is used as "a player applet and container format for web videos", then it's fair game for competition.
Apple and iPhone is on the SVG and HTML 5 road. Google, and its W3C partners Mozilla and Opera are on board too. So that's Android, and iPhone, and WM6.1 onwards that won't be friends with Flash. At least Silverlight might be able to work on an iPhone!
("I can't say there has been extensive discussion" with Apple CEO Steve Jobs about it, Ballmer has said for the record).
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/03/05/steve_jobs_pans_flash_on_the_iphone.html
A quiter news day on Fortune?
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A step in the *wrong* direction: the Zune
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/05/07/nbc.wants.zune.copy.filter/
Windows Genuine Advantage for your music. Lurvely.
While not outlining the amount of progress, the studio's digital chief J. B. Perrette says that Microsoft has agreed to work on a "cop" that would check the legitimacy of videos loaded on the device; those deemed illegal would refuse to play. Fair use anyone? This is up there with the recent cannabis ruling in terms of probability it's going to see some court time if it's implemented.
UPDATE -
Nokia Brings it this week?
Ain't just HTC folks. No, not the Tube, the E71. 3G in America opens up Nokia's market in the U.S. (see previous posts too).
http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/05/06/nokia.e71.thursday/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mobile_network_operators - Filling in the gaps?
How Far is iPhone Ahead?
It's not as simple as that - you have to break it down into each feature the different phones offer.
But Sprint's move is a sign that Apple is ahead - why would they have an advertising campaign dissing an 11 month old product, that's being announced in 5 weeks? Video 1
I.e. They're spending $?? on a marketing campaign for the Sprint Instinct that will be valid for a month. (and less than that really, as pre-WWDC hits mainstream through teaser national press reports).
Read: "Upcoming FAIL"
(Sprint - the adverts will only be seen online. The major televised marketing campaign will begin in June)
The kicker? The Instinct will be on store shelves June. That'd be after the keynote then...
More at "nowisgood.com"
(Would that make Apple's site response be waitingisbetter.com? (For all you waiters lurking on the boards. You know who you are!)
Touch screen - Both will
GPS, A-GPS- Both will
Record & send video - Both will
Fast Internet- Both will
Live TV - Both will
Haptic tingling - Instinct (An apple suprise?)
Tether the phone to your laptop for on-the-road Net access - Instinct
microSD memory expansion (up to 8GB) - Instinct
Accelerometers - iPhone
Multitouch- iPhone
Coverflow- iPhone
iTunes Store - iPhone
Apps Store - iPhone
Starbucks wifi - iPhone
Rotate between landscape and portrait for web - iPhone
Deal with Nike for fitness stuff - Apple
Doom ported for it already - iPhone
The Instinct was Best in Show 2008 CTIA
"Comparisons with the iPhone are obvious, and while the Instinct can't quite match Apple's device on the design front, it offers many more features on paper." CNET (It was 2nd to the N96 - So these are phones not even out yet...)
(CTIA winner 2007 was the Samsung 2007 - Which was cool in that it had use on both sides - phone one, mp3 player the other. Double screened iPhones? )
