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oh! i've been able to access it no problems through my imac, but yesterday i couldn't get on for a while when using my ibook.
You don't have to get it
Think ecclectic geek ramblings with radial tangents via abundant weblinks. It's evolved shall we say. The basic premise was to collate and share info, have a laugh. Since we're nearing WWDC, there has been intentional creep of the thread's scope. (And the fact that there wasn't at the time (& still isn't (!) ) a dedicated WWDC 2008 forum section)
99.9% of those who view are silent. There are viewers, but forked if I know who. There's been enough positive vibes to carry on. You enjoy it sk8mash, even if not totally understanding it?
Films?
Sony - You're a stick in the mud rrrrr. Squabbling for profits, and losing out by not getting along and using a universal service and directly competing with each other.
Cost of DVD = £2 rental. Cost to say goodbye to CSS = £0. Hard drive space/blank DVD <£1.
Epic fail for the potential of VOD/download via iTunes/Apple TV? Clinging onto a perceived cash cow perhaps?
UbiQ: "The future is transparent"
I like this. Touch screens = transparency. Semi clear slates.
http://catchyoo.typepad.com/catchyoo_moving_advertisi/ubiqwindow/index.html
I feel your pain only I've been suffering with my Nokia for years now.
Only a (hopefully) few more days of waiting though...
welcome! we have been waiting...
http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/29/first-blu-ray-record-divertimenti-released/
So what do you think? Eventually macs will have to take on b-r, so how soon will it be incorporated into hd audio on the iphone? Gosh, I think that might be sooner than we think!
Justin
p.s. Lakers are going to the finals. WOOT!
http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/29/first-blu-ray-record-divertimenti-released/ So what do you think? Eventually macs will have to take on b-r, so how soon will it be incorporated into hd audio on the iphone? Gosh, I think that might be sooner than we think!
Personally, it's great that CDs are around, as their copy protection is nought, so you can make your own FLAC (+.cue etc) or Apple lossless version and do away with the CD (obviously not passing it on, keep legal etc etc).
There is a lot of potential in getting a better sound - both in terms of >5.1 surround sound style, and a higher bitrate. When you want to turn it up to 11, you can tell the difference. To be honest, Blue-Ray has won the HD_DVD vs BR battle, but in their greed, manufacturers are keeping prices way high. To the average punter, it makes more sense to get a PS3, or get an upscaling DVD player. Or get H.264 files that will show at the HD sizes.
As for HD-Audio - they haven't even got their own house in order. Anyone who has a Lossless music library can attest to this - you effectively need 2 libraries, a lossy one and a lossless one, as iTunes can't do a key feature:
Dynamically create lossy versions of the lossless files you want synced, and make sure you don't start getting dupes. A horrendous challenge at the best of times. It's getting better now, as the iPhone GB size is increasing, if you rotate your synced albums frequently.
If they actually even recognised FLAC, it'd be a start!
GPS
Popular Mechanics article on the iPhone, and how making - a stripped down version -a GPS version
Could be best sellers:
Quite succinctly put:
Multiplayer iPhone fun.
http://www.9to5mac.com/multiplayer_pong
This is just Pong! More benefits of the iPhone, if your social group start getting them
This was built in 1 hour they claim. 1 hour. An acid test will be to see if the group or other groups show similar possibilities with just a small amount of developer time.
The developers from Raging Thunder got interviewed. "There are also a few other bits and bobs that we hope will increase the appeal of the game even further. Wouldn't it be fun, for example, to race against other iPhone owners instead of just the AI?
" When was the last time you saw impromptu wireless handheld gaming? Commuting has potentially just got a LOT more fun Might be a nice social way of meeting fellow iPhone users via a Bonjour gaming/Gamespy for iPhone system with IM. (And yes, there will be safety and theft/mugging etc issues with wireless gaming/proximity location of iPhones...).Patents
iPhone patent found article [url=http://cellpassion.mobi/2008/05/29/apple-gets-iphone-patent-shows-off-gps-and-video-conferencing-modules.aspx]at cellpassion.mobi
Happy to see a video conferencing module in there in the applications section. The patent's here
With Engadget picking up the scent. Of note, in the patent, Apple uses the word exemplary a lot in their figures (the 2 main definitions being 1)Serving as a pattern & 2) deserving imitation)
13. The computer-implemented method of claim 2, wherein the one or more heuristics include a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to translate content within a frame rather than translating an entire page that includes the frame.
17. The computer-implemented method of claim 2, wherein, in one heuristic of the one or more heuristics, a contact comprising a finger swipe gesture that initially moves within a predetermined angle of being perfectly vertical with respect to the touch screen display corresponds to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command.
Kinda goes close to the spiral motion from Synaptics to scroll down (rather than paw paw paw)
uite a few heuristics about manual user gestures for 90 degree screen rotations.
How does it relate the patent to "(4) U.S. patent application Ser. No. 10/654,108, "Ambidextrous Mouse," filed Sep. 2, 2003"
a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command
10/903,964, "Gestures For Touch Sensitive Input Devices," filed Jul. 30, 2004
10/188,182, "Touch Pad For Handheld Device," filed Jul. 1, 2002;
10/722,948, "Touch Pad For Handheld Device," filed Nov. 25, 2003;
10/643,256, "Movable Touch Pad With Added Functionality," filed Aug. 18, 2003;
10/654,108, "Ambidextrous Mouse," filed Sep. 2, 2003;
10/840,862, "Multipoint Touchscreen," filed May 6, 2004;
10/903,964, "Gestures For Touch Sensitive Input Devices,"
11/038,590, "Mode-Based Graphical User Interfaces For Touch Sensitive Input Devices" filed Jan. 18, 2005;
11/057,050, "Display Actuator," filed Feb. 11, 2005;
60/658,777, "Multi-Functional Hand-Held Device," filed Mar. 4, 2005;
11/367,749, "Multi-Functional Hand-Held Device," filed Mar. 3, 2006;
29/281,695, "Icons, Graphical User Interfaces, and Animated Graphical User Interfaces For a Display Screen or Portion Thereof," filed Jun. 28, 2007. All of these applications are incorporated by reference herein.
[0003]The disclosed embodiments relate generally to electronic devices with touch screen displays, and more particularly, to electronic devices that apply heuristics to detected user gestures on a touch screen display to determine commands.
[0112]The device 100 may also include one or more optical sensors 164. FIGS. 1A and 1B
In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the back of the device ...
In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display. In some embodiments, the position of the optical sensor 164 can be changed by the user (e.g., by rotating the lens and the sensor in the device housing)
[0091] Is a virtual click wheel going to show?
[0091] Newtonians - the PDA reference lives!
[0115] GPS module mentioned
[0121]The GPS module 135 determines the location of the device and provides this information for use in various applications (e.g., to telephone 138 for use in location-based dialing, to camera 143 and/or blogger 142 as picture/video metadata, and to applications that provide location-based services such as weather widgets, local yellow page widgets, and map/navigation widgets).
[0142]Examples of other applications 136 that may be stored in memory 102 include other word processing applications, JAVA-enabled applications, encryption, digital rights management, voice recognition, and voice replication.
Voice recognition?
[0145] Video conferencing
[0147] MMS, EMS mentioned
Sounds like blogging is going to be demoed a lot more, in co-ordination with perhaps .mac?
Wonder if the iPhone will have native video editing app? It's been shown as feasable by a previous hack
[0159]GPS, LBS and driving directions, POI, etc.
[0160] Presumably, very soon, the Hard Drive market might want to make a Battery powered slim hard drive, that has Bonjour capabilities. You pop that in your bag, and then you can use it as a HD of movies to go. Then you don't have to stream the movies via 3G , just wifi it over. Heck, if you're lumbering a big laptop case around, why not integrate the Bonjour wifi side of it into it through the bag? obviously not so useful if you have a laptop in tow, or if you're in range of access wirelessly to your movies/music on a HD associated with a (main) computer.
[0300] Additional IM info
Presumably skimming will be brought to the iPhone if it has enough power to do so. After all, they're patenting
[0585][ for Voicemail]Speed up icon 3208 that when activated (e.g., by a finger tap on the icon) initiates a process that speeds up playback of the voicemail message, which may also adjust the sound frequency or pitch of the fast playback so that the words, although spoken quickly, are still easy to understand
PCWorld
So that'd be 100 best products of 2008 and haven't even finished Q2 yet. Quick, they're discounting on Christmas present ideas!?...
A challenge!
Ok - 10 days. 19,00 views - doable? (This is not a 295 post challenge as I know the forum guidelines...)
Forbes
It's interesting to see Forbes go for the Containers= 3G iPhone story here
I thought that wasn't verified? I.e. it'd come in on secure planes ronud about now, rather than on container ships on pallets? How the hell were Infineon making the chips for it in February/March??
We'll see, but it seems an error on Forbes' part currently...
Attachments
Personally, it's great that CDs are around, as their copy protection is nought, so you can make your own FLAC (+.cue etc) or Apple lossless version and do away with the CD (obviously not passing it on, keep legal etc etc).
There is a lot of potential in getting a better sound - both in terms of >5.1 surround sound style, and a higher bitrate. When you want to turn it up to 11, you can tell the difference. To be honest, Blue-Ray has won the HD_DVD vs BR battle, but in their greed, manufacturers are keeping prices way high. To the average punter, it makes more sense to get a PS3, or get an upscaling DVD player. Or get H.264 files that will show at the HD sizes.
As for HD-Audio - they haven't even got their own house in order. Anyone who has a Lossless music library can attest to this - you effectively need 2 libraries, a lossy one and a lossless one, as iTunes can't do a key feature:
Dynamically create lossy versions of the lossless files you want synced, and make sure you don't start getting dupes. A horrendous challenge at the best of times. It's getting better now, as the iPhone GB size is increasing, if you rotate your synced albums frequently.
If they actually even recognised FLAC, it'd be a start!
GPS
Popular Mechanics article on the iPhone, and how making - a stripped down version -a GPS version
Could be best sellers:
Quite succinctly put:
Multiplayer iPhone fun.
http://www.9to5mac.com/multiplayer_pong
This is just Pong! More benefits of the iPhone, if your social group start getting them
This was built in 1 hour they claim. 1 hour. An acid test will be to see if the group or other groups show similar possibilities with just a small amount of developer time.
The developers from Raging Thunder got interviewed. "There are also a few other bits and bobs that we hope will increase the appeal of the game even further. Wouldn't it be fun, for example, to race against other iPhone owners instead of just the AI?
Patents
iPhone patent found article [url=http://cellpassion.mobi/2008/05/29/apple-gets-iphone-patent-shows-off-gps-and-video-conferencing-modules.aspx]at cellpassion.mobi
Happy to see a video conferencing module in there in the applications section. The patent's here
With Engadget picking up the scent. Of note, in the patent, Apple uses the word exemplary a lot in their figures (the 2 main definitions being 1)Serving as a pattern & 2) deserving imitation)
13. The computer-implemented method of claim 2, wherein the one or more heuristics include a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a command to translate content within a frame rather than translating an entire page that includes the frame.
17. The computer-implemented method of claim 2, wherein, in one heuristic of the one or more heuristics, a contact comprising a finger swipe gesture that initially moves within a predetermined angle of being perfectly vertical with respect to the touch screen display corresponds to a one-dimensional vertical screen scrolling command.
Kinda goes close to the spiral motion from Synaptics to scroll down (rather than paw paw paw)
uite a few heuristics about manual user gestures for 90 degree screen rotations.
How does it relate the patent to "(4) U.S. patent application Ser. No. 10/654,108, "Ambidextrous Mouse," filed Sep. 2, 2003"
a heuristic for determining that the one or more finger contacts correspond to a two-dimensional screen translation command
10/903,964, "Gestures For Touch Sensitive Input Devices," filed Jul. 30, 2004
10/188,182, "Touch Pad For Handheld Device," filed Jul. 1, 2002;
10/722,948, "Touch Pad For Handheld Device," filed Nov. 25, 2003;
10/643,256, "Movable Touch Pad With Added Functionality," filed Aug. 18, 2003;
10/654,108, "Ambidextrous Mouse," filed Sep. 2, 2003;
10/840,862, "Multipoint Touchscreen," filed May 6, 2004;
10/903,964, "Gestures For Touch Sensitive Input Devices,"
11/038,590, "Mode-Based Graphical User Interfaces For Touch Sensitive Input Devices" filed Jan. 18, 2005;
11/057,050, "Display Actuator," filed Feb. 11, 2005;
60/658,777, "Multi-Functional Hand-Held Device," filed Mar. 4, 2005;
11/367,749, "Multi-Functional Hand-Held Device," filed Mar. 3, 2006;
29/281,695, "Icons, Graphical User Interfaces, and Animated Graphical User Interfaces For a Display Screen or Portion Thereof," filed Jun. 28, 2007. All of these applications are incorporated by reference herein.
[0003]The disclosed embodiments relate generally to electronic devices with touch screen displays, and more particularly, to electronic devices that apply heuristics to detected user gestures on a touch screen display to determine commands.
[0112]The device 100 may also include one or more optical sensors 164. FIGS. 1A and 1B
In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the back of the device ...
In some embodiments, an optical sensor is located on the front of the device so that the user's image may be obtained for videoconferencing while the user views the other video conference participants on the touch screen display. In some embodiments, the position of the optical sensor 164 can be changed by the user (e.g., by rotating the lens and the sensor in the device housing)
[0091] Is a virtual click wheel going to show?
[0091] Newtonians - the PDA reference lives!
[0115] GPS module mentioned
[0121]The GPS module 135 determines the location of the device and provides this information for use in various applications (e.g., to telephone 138 for use in location-based dialing, to camera 143 and/or blogger 142 as picture/video metadata, and to applications that provide location-based services such as weather widgets, local yellow page widgets, and map/navigation widgets).
[0142]Examples of other applications 136 that may be stored in memory 102 include other word processing applications, JAVA-enabled applications, encryption, digital rights management, voice recognition, and voice replication.
Voice recognition?
[0145] Video conferencing
[0147] MMS, EMS mentioned
Sounds like blogging is going to be demoed a lot more, in co-ordination with perhaps .mac?
Wonder if the iPhone will have native video editing app? It's been shown as feasable by a previous hack
[0159]GPS, LBS and driving directions, POI, etc.
[0160] Presumably, very soon, the Hard Drive market might want to make a Battery powered slim hard drive, that has Bonjour capabilities. You pop that in your bag, and then you can use it as a HD of movies to go. Then you don't have to stream the movies via 3G , just wifi it over. Heck, if you're lumbering a big laptop case around, why not integrate the Bonjour wifi side of it into it through the bag? obviously not so useful if you have a laptop in tow, or if you're in range of access wirelessly to your movies/music on a HD associated with a (main) computer.
[0300] Additional IM info
Presumably skimming will be brought to the iPhone if it has enough power to do so. After all, they're patenting
[0585][ for Voicemail]Speed up icon 3208 that when activated (e.g., by a finger tap on the icon) initiates a process that speeds up playback of the voicemail message, which may also adjust the sound frequency or pitch of the fast playback so that the words, although spoken quickly, are still easy to understand
PCWorld
So that'd be 100 best products of 2008 and haven't even finished Q2 yet. Quick, they're discounting on Christmas present ideas!?...
A challenge!
Ok - 10 days. 19,00 views - doable? (This is not a 295 post challenge as I know the forum guidelines...)
Forbes
It's interesting to see Forbes go for the Containers= 3G iPhone story here
I thought that wasn't verified? I.e. it'd come in on secure planes ronud about now, rather than on container ships on pallets? How the hell were Infineon making the chips for it in February/March??
We'll see, but it seems an error on Forbes' part currently...
Tom,
may I respectfully ask what do you do and how do you know all this info (it's amazing)
do you work for Mac secretly?
Tom, may I respectfully ask what do you do and how do you know all this info (it's amazing) do you work for Mac secretly?
I do stuff, including reading, learning, and writing. It's all out their in the open, and I try and give url references...The Avengers Initiative. shhh
We'll leave it there if that's ok with you.PC World top 100s
Most anticipated products in 2008? 3G iPhone, new MacBooks, Android, Spore apparently.
2008, Apple holds 12 spots:
02 - iPhone
12 - iPod Touch
17 - Mac OS 10.5 Leopard
18 - ACD (which is 2 years old?!)
22 - Safari
26 - MacBook Pro
28 - Final Cut Studio
33 - iChat
66 - Logic Studio
75 - iMac
80 - AppleTV Take 2
89 - MacBook Air
2007, Apple held 7 spots:
02 - Intel Core 2 Duo
06 - Parallels Desktop
09 - Mac OS X 10.4 “Tiger”
11 - AppleTV
26 - iPod (80GB) (which MacWorld left out I think)
45 - iPod Nano (8GB)
61 - iTunes
82 - MacBook Pro
2006, Apple held 5 spots
04 - iPod Nano
10 - Boot Camp
35 - Mac Mini
36 - iPod
43 - iTunes
So MBP has climbed from 82 to 26, itunes had gone from 61 to not on the list, and there are a lot more Apple products on the top 100.
Attachments
i realize this thread is huge and has a lot of info, good job tomato....but seriously...it's kinda obvious you post just to bump this thread when people stop talking in it. just go back and look at some of your many "bump" replies that have nothing to do with the original topic.
i can apprecaite a well constructed and flowing thread, but come on bro....stop trying to make this your legacy on macrumors as the largest thread ever since you started it. ease up on the "bump" replies just to keep your thread alive, it's silly.
cheers
thats...between u guys.....
my own thoughts....i enjoy reading any post on this thread...(I know the array of info is rather large, i would think to some it's all relevant...and to to others...partially)
again, thats my opinion and I don't speak for others...
Tom,
What new features should we expect to see with the revamp of .Mac? I am not a .Mac user as I can't think of a practical purpose for me to pay the $100. If it has some amazing iPhone syncing/integration then maybe i'll bite.
Rob
i swear this isn't just a bump question....
What new features should we expect to see with the revamp of .Mac? I am not a .Mac user as I can't think of a practical purpose for me to pay the $100. If it has some amazing iPhone syncing/integration then maybe i'll bite.
Rob
i swear this isn't just a bump question....
I've just hopped onto the 60 day trial.
There's talk of .mac getting a name change as per tuaw (The name after all is a misnomer now with Apple's name change and that Window PCs can use it...)
"Dmitry Chestnykh went through the iCal Localizable.strings file in the recently released 10.5.3 update and found a number of changes. In particular, he found a lot of evidence that the .Mac brand name is going to be replaced. Apple is apparently using a placeholder %@ which will be dynamically replaced by the new name, whatever that is, when it's released."
The level of upgrade come June? Depends on your optimism. I'd hope to see much more tighter integration, and an evolution of "%@" ...
i realize this thread is huge and has a lot of info, good job tomato....but seriously...it's kinda obvious you post just to bump this thread when people stop talking in it. just go back and look at some of your many "bump" replies that have nothing to do with the original topic.
i can apprecaite a well constructed and flowing thread, but come on bro....stop trying to make this your legacy on macrumors as the largest thread ever since you started it. ease up on the "bump" replies just to keep your thread alive, it's silly.
cheers
"Goals of the Forums - The #1 goal is to discuss Mac News and Mac Rumors"
Afaik, the thread is in line with the Forum Rules
#1, #2, #4 of the "Things Not to Do" - useless posts, off-topic posts, trolling... I'm not a fan. Hopefully the thread has a minimal amount of 1,2 & 4. Rule 3 of Minor Problems indicates that you should "Use thread titles that indicate the subject of the thread, not generic titles..." Hence "& Beyond". Sequential posts only usually occur if a previous post already has 5 pictures attached, or is already long, which is I think what you're talking about.
As linked, the Forum Rules define bumping as: "Bumps. Posts that bring a thread to the top of the New Posts list but add no content to the thread (bumps) are not permitted. This applies not only to posts that say "bump" but to those with the intent to bump.
I.e. If you add new information you are not bumping. I think it mostly comes down to "double posting" - i.e. two posts in a row that can be made into one post, but the person decides to post it in two separate posts. I can see where you're coming from. Consider it noted & actioned - I'll stick to adding to the last post, however long, and again, I don't recommend bumping. I can see how it might be seen as #1 on Minor Problems - chattiness. Mea culpa if i've done so previously. If a Mod wants a word in my ear, i'm receptive.
Edit: Consider the thread reported. I don't mind it left here, but if it's causing a problem, perhaps a move to the Community Forum. If it needs locking and Wastelanding, so be it.
WhySoSerious - you seemed to troll on the 3G forward facing thread of yours, but I take Feverish Flux and Sk8msh's similar views into account.
Just out of, shall we call it - curiousity? - if you click on Views on the iPhone Forum page, you'll see that the 2 most viewed threads on this section are:
#1 - "Phone/Verizon? 3G Unlocked?" Which could be answered in a haiku (No, AT&T is exclusive, go hack your iPhone, otherwise, no joy afaik).
#2 - "iPhone Photo-of-the-Day" Which is a thread in the iPhone section because <drum roll> iPhones were used to take pictures. Riiiiight. Now I see the relevance and specificity required here... Where'd that "citation needed" picture go...
By post replies it's
#1 - iPhone firmware update 1.1.1 released! (News Discussion?)
#2 - iPhone First Impressions / Reviews (arn as OP)
#3 - 1.1.4 is available... Downloading now! (News Discussion?)
(It could be said that there is a possibility that threads like 1 & 3 usually run and run for good reason, and the that sometimes they're in the General Forum because no thread was posted quick enough on the Front page and 2nd Page, and shifting entire pages/locking the page isn't optimal.)
The iPhone and iPod Touch Forum sub Forums are
iPhone News Discussion
iPhone Forums
iPhone (general discussion)*
iPhone Tips, Help and Troubleshooting (Problems, need help? Have a tip or advice? Post it here)
iPhone Hacks and Apps (Jailbreak, Activation, 3rd Party Apps, Web Apps)
iPhone Accessories
stuff for your iPhone
iPod touch
iPod touch Hacks &
Jailbreak, Installing Apps
*The current forum as of now. Here's a fun game whilst we wait - If you scan this section, and see how many in your view, are currently in the incorrect forum. I spy over a dozen.
Strategic Commander - Because I couldn't for the life of me find this post from Donz0r. It was a side-discussion on a video I linked to from Bill Buxton's website regarding a jogshuffle device - I couldn't remember the name at the time, so referred to it as a
"kickass multibutton mouse controller". Found the device. It was in part a demonstration that the tangible physical device for UI still has a lot going for it, linking in to eXan's post here on the Windows goes Multi-Touch thread. I agreed that Microsoft going in the direction of multi-touch for Windows 7 was a good idea, that the arguing was as eXan pointed out, somewhat unfruitful. The competition is beneficial for the most part, currently. (Stepping on patents, and hoarding gestures I believe is on another topic, another thread ~"Boy have we patented it"). Hopefully there is some way to port multi-touch to XP, as it may do to Vista. In brief - even though Windows 7 and OS X is going the way of Touch, Touch isn't necessarily the best thing for certain tasks. Non one device is optimal. We're used to keyboard, mouse, jogwheel, touch pad, multi-touch pad, etc.
E.g. for CAM - which linked in to a 6 degrees of freedom controller style device. The physical design allows different things than a much more than a 2 Dimensional touch surface can do. (There is some patent on adding multi-touch to the Mighty Mouse, in an future time overlap scenario). The maglev version that has haptics I couldn't find the link to, but for sake of completeness here, here and here.
eXan was using the HP SpacePilot by 3D connection and finding it great for his CAM work. It was also linking into a more rambly post on the Z dimension - how if Apple wants to go from multi-touch, to sensing depth in the gestures (See the Scoble qik.com videos perhaps on the ok symbol gestures with Buxton), and how a "flattening" of perceiving 3 dimensions with a zcam, could be possibly done quite quite easily, as shown by the mentioned software in a previous post. Heck, the Lux just fired me up. Can people watch something like the Lux, or other demos and not get a passion about possibilities? Anyhow...
GPS
Even Apple doesn't have the spherical and plural to have a WWDC teaser post about Location, and then not come out with GPS? Wouldn't the press have a fieldday? Tentatively against this, there have been job postings from Apple regarding RF, antennae for GPS. To be honest though, couldn't Apple go and bank-roll some SiRF staff this time, and do it in-house next time? As Business Week points out, Whilst RIM might be enterprise competition, RIM is a small fry minnow compared to the likes of Nokia.
- A Nielsen Mobile survey frpm 2007 found that navigation apps were 2nd only to games as the most popular downloadable wireless application. Would Apple actually shake the PND/SatNav market up a bit by not going down a monthly payment plan route, and just offering GPS? (Presumably it'd shake up TeleNav and Networks In Motion, and as mentioned above, it seems GPS manufacturers fear they're potentially about to be hit with a converging Apple electronic device storm.
- iSuppli pegged the number of navigation-ready handsets sold >160 million units in 2007. (>7x the number of standalone navigation devices sold).
- Maybe Nokia handsets should be the comparison model, then Android handsets once they come out.
- Average price of a PND is ~$280, down from >$400 circa 2005. Why bother with a PND when you could get one and much more potentially in an iPhone.
-"All the iPhone would need is a GPS chipset, and it wouldn't set Apple back much either. Your standard-issue GPS chipset costs about $5 from the manufacturer, says David Carey, president and CEO of Portelligent."
- The author has his money on GPS being included in v2.
"Imagine how social networking could be enhanced by the knowledge that your closest friends are nearby, assuming they've opted to let you see where they are? You and your very best friend might set your iPhones to make a special sound when you're within, say, an eighth of a mile of each other. (A service called Loopt already does this on other handsets.) Imagine the third-party applications that could harness GPS: games that involve moving around—say, a virtual Capture the Flag or a virtual obstacle course; business applications that tell the central office where employees are in relation to where they're supposed to be."
"Imagine how tightly the Web browser, address book, and other features could be integrated. Google searches on the Web could tell you not only the address of the place you seek, but also tell you how far you are from it. Your address book could do the same thing."
Hmm - Broadcom GPS ? http://gigaom.com/2008/05/30/the-new-iphones-new-winner/
@ Sky Blue: Like gloss, you're 68020, so you've posted over 2,000 comments on MR, so you know the score by now, right? To respond to your comment fairly, let's take 5 minutes to answer. Let's just go back and review the last 6 pages. You can do the wavy hand thing ala Wayne & Garth too if you like
==> As a quick ball point figure, I count ~75 urls from me, from maybe >20 different sources.But you want more in an answer perhaps than mere urls. After all, your standard is of unique content, n'est pas? You want information packed versus "just recycling info from the main page and other threads". (let's put aside the .mac comment from parham55's comment).
I think your newsflash is obvious to many, and may I say, also overly sweeping/generalising. Everyone in this forum knows things that others here do not. This generally applies to Mac and iPhone information too. They've had experiences, 1st hand knowledge, heard comments from friends and passers-by, observations on usage, read articles in different places, or read from the same place, but bothered to get a RSS feed or happened to refresh their page and get the news story.
How do I know what's coming for .mac ? I don't know. But it's called macrumors for a reason. As previously mentioned the #1 goal of the forum is to discuss Mac News and Mac Rumors. What is speculation, but hypotheses or opinions based on incomplete evidence? Between low end conjecture & idle banter, and predicitve analysis/ research. What is rumour? Unvalidated/ unsubstantiated reports, gossip. No cmd key is worn out, but I like the concept. So, drilling down, what exactly were the topics covered in the last 6 pages? All those non-iPhone/WWDC ones, that you may not like Sky Blue?
Reliability of sources on iPhone; costs of calls on iPhone and others due to a Competition Appeal Tribunal; 3G auctions in the UK, Ofcom, O2 and "refarming"; Microsoft's pleading for Vista by Charles Arthur* at the Guardian; Newly found resources on iPhone;
iPhone in relation to iChat, AppleTV, karaoke, usage as a remote, as a multiroom control (SpeakerCraft); LTE vs WiMax; why iPhone is liked; Enterprise, iPhone, & analysts views; RIM vs Apple's iPhone; iPhone's role in home networks; Geotagging and iPhone; HSUPA, HSDPA; if GPS is ready; Bill Buxton's multi-touch primer; Wilson & Scoble on future multi-touch interfaces and OSs; Lux; the use of MT displays, surfaces, pads, sheets inc. TouchLight, Surface; nortd.com/cubit; some horrible iPhone / Apple future predicitons by Forrester Research; OLPC, iPhone; Apple penetration, TED, Allthingsd 08 (D6); cute kittens, the price of fish, with relevanct ppt demos; surfaces v displays, and strawmen arguments, where iPhone fits in; physical mouse/interface vs touch interfaces; uses of Multitouch; iPhone apps vs Vista 7 demo; myvi iPhone glasses & IR possibilities; Android, Google, google Maps; syncing; Mighty MT Mouses; Windows Live, S60 and ; videocalling, and why it's not popular; Gundotra's vision on Android, commentators takes, Apple syncing pages; full I/O conference video link; Going beyond iPhones multi-touch (z dimension), some cool videos from lm3labs ert al; Infineon troubles; some introspection on whether the thread is in the right place; GPS & Popular Mechanics, Kdarlings invaluable input as always
(eGPS ftw); multiplayer iPHone games; patents; where Apple fits into PCWOrlds top 100 lists and d over T; Forbes,Film prices, electronic devices and containers; and some .mac gubbins; Broadcomm GPS.If you're holding yard sticks against threads here in the iPhone forum, I sincerely hope you are going to be holding that standard to the other ones. I think we can all keep things in perspective, I imagine you might be awaiting WWDC with anticipation? Same here, and it goes for most of the members on here. There will be lots to talk about. Hope this answers your post...
Justin - interesting post
Google at the I/O keynote basically said: Join us, because the market is too fragmented with too many OS's to port to - it's too hard to port to allfo them, so use ours. i.e. don't flock to the iPhone, and others, are software we haven't got out of the door yet is much better.
But Middleware starting to be talked about that actually is being used currently and with success seems to negate this, and this is a biggie: the iPhone most likely has the guts to emulate most other phones. Heck, you could emulate a Nokia if you were so sadistic
Style's Palm OS emulator - if it does a decent enough job, is great! (I think there were rumours of old games console emulators also in the pipeline)
(Do all the Palm apps run within the OS emulator app? (i.e. self-contained within the one app?) Hopefully adding new emulated Palm apps isn't hard to do, even possible done within the emulator itself?) (The other that springs to mind is the aforementioned Raging Thunder developer's middleware). Presumably Mac apps will spring up to cover this middleware port your code market.
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I await a Mod reply. If it's lights out on this thread, it's been fun. Ciao for now.
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Possibly the single most information-packed thread on MR and we're letting a few bitchy trolls drive off the author because it's not focused enough for their tastes.
How about you just don't read it, guys?
How about you just don't read it, guys?
*Edit out of respect*
In some .mac news. It looks like Daring Fireball is claiming that the new .mac namy may be Mobile Me.
I am not sold on the name yet, but I think it will add some cool "ActiveSync like" features for the iPhone. I for one like being able to push sync my calendar and contacts. That would be fantastic.
http://daringfireball.net/
In some .mac news. It looks like Daring Fireball is claiming that the new .mac namy may be Mobile Me.
I am not sold on the name yet, but I think it will add some cool "ActiveSync like" features for the iPhone. I for one like being able to push sync my calendar and contacts. That would be fantastic.
http://daringfireball.net/
I think it is pretty obvious that many people enjoy this thread and find it useful. If you don't, then don't read it. Tom, keep up the good work.
Totally agreed. While some stuff goes totally above me, I'm sure the vast majority of the information, many people find it of interest, some thing or other. I'm just intrigued if this new picture of iPhone is actually real? Anyone managed to find a cache of the iPhone image, or something like that?
We all want multi-touch on our desktops, but we don't want to have to elevate our arms the entire time while we browse the web, look through pictures, etc. We feel comfortable looking at our displays at eye-level directly in front of us and don't want to stare downward at our screens, at least not at our desks.
We could meet somewhere in the middle with an angled display, but we also don't want to drop a few hundred or more on a new multi-touch capable display/tablet. Not all of us, at least. How much would we be willing to pay to bring multi-touch to our current machines? $100-$200? I might.
This is why I predict the Mighty Mouse Touch at this year's WWDC.
Wow, I would love to see this. I just hope they really improve the touch accuracy as the current mouse is sometimes difficult to right click.
How is it information packed, it's just recycling info from the main page and other threads!
I mean someone even posted this:
"Tom,
What new features should we expect to see with the revamp of .Mac?"
huh??
Newsflash... tomato doesn't know anything more than anybody else in this forum. How is he going to know what's coming for .Mac? Does he work for Apple? Does he know Steve Jobs?
it's all speculation. His cmd, c and v keys must've worn out.