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3G iPhone preview at WWDC, Release July 11 - Who, When Where, What, Why & how much
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An electronic compass is separate from GPS (which can only tell heading when moving).
Many people can't visualize directions easily. My wife, for one
She would definitely need for the view to turn with her.
Might be easier for people to call me Tom
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/5468277/
I lost a whole chunk of a post on IM. So the above is just a hint of it. Bear in mind the IM shown by AOL was something knocked up in a short space of time with minimal numbers working on it. The patents suggest Apple might move it's own native app onto the phone. The haggling between the carriers (and their cash cow the SMS/MMS) and IM with better data rates might be interesting, but hopefully Apple has some sort of hold on this.
So yes. Android would have one, right?
Why not Apple... Hopefully they'll only allow a few select ones through. The syncing already given, the potential for voice and video, alongside better .Mac integration - It's all up for grabs. Might be some more info from the SDk just released - no-one's had a chance to comb through the code yet.
As for the compass - I echo kdarling - it's a useful feature. It can be turned off and on easily. If you take a look at the video, it's not only the compass, but also the accelerometers - i.e. the image has both the direction and also the horizontal angle of view correct. You point the phone to the sky, you see the skyscrapers. You really have to watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PRfVKzuUJ4 to see the potential.
Google I/O
http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/28/live-from-google-io/ is covering Google I/O well
From http://feeds.slashgear.com/~r/slash...video-transcript-hardware-details-2811809.php sounds like the balls in a row was a unlock page, as opposed to a 4 digit number etc.
uper mouse as a multi-touch surface
With slight modification, could this be near touch or just 3D gesture sensitive, rather than just touch?
.Mac
Just a thought, but currently, you can get a .Mac 60 day free trial. No need to have any credit card details. If you don't want it, he account gets deleted after the 30 days. If you do want it, you buy a year. You can cancel within the first 30 days and get pro rata back the rest. Apple might give a better deal post June 9th, but then again, they might give a shorter length trial post 9th June, and may bump anyone on a current trial to the upgrades that are probably coming...
Might be easier for people to call me Tom
AHA!! I KNEW IT!!!
You never replied to my pm... Now all we need to know is wildcardd's name...
Justin
AHA!! I KNEW IT!!!
Now all we need to know is wildcardd's name...
Justin
Sure, it's Jeff. Unfortunately, it has nothing to do with my forum name unlike T0m and yours.
Windows Live for Mobile Hits Nokia S60 Phones
"If you play in the Windows Live sandbox (Hotmail, Messenger, Live Contacts and Spaces) and use a Nokia S60 phone, your life just got easier." Available today in a whole buncha places it wasn't before, the Windows Live app for S60 syncs your Live contacts and Hotmail account with the phone's address book and mail client (not push though), and lets you do pretty much all the regular Messenger stuff from your phone, like send pictures or files. And it's all intemagrated."
Handsets: Nokia N73, N80 Internet Edition, N95, N95 8GB [Multimap search for N95 8GB] [Google Map search for N95 8GB] , N76, N81, N82, N93i, E90, E65, E61i, E51, 6120*, 5700*, 6110* * Note that users with these handsets must first download a software pack at [url]www.nokia.com/windowslive
33 markets, inc. UK
Live always crashes for me on a N, so this might be useful. The joy of weeding through dupe contacts, and random ones picked up via the annoying autosave contact detail function. If it does sync both ways, it might be a great way to sync your Hotmail details up with Google/Yahoo/Outlook, as previous approaches have been rather labyrinthine.
Time to save all my contacts... Well done Nokia. Just 11 days to go, and you finally get some sort of Microsoft integration. Will be doing this to sort contacts out, then pas a bientot...
Update: "All of the Windows Live services are effortlessly downloadable and accessible" myrse. Nokia page info but no show on the download section even after refresh. Anyone else had any joy?
1. Live Contacts. Live Contacts -auto-synchronized within the address book of the Nokia device. The online presence and status of your contacts show up within the phone list. (How much data this uses is up for grabs, is this solely on when you're browsing your contacts now? Otherwise this must surely drain battery like a beast).
2. Messenger. Can take part in multiple conversations as you would expect. (And have been able to do via Fring for a while...)
When you are within a conversation you can send a voice clip, file or picture - either from the gallery or snap one with the camera.
3. Hotmail. The emails are downloaded sothey are available when you are offline. Right now your email isn't synchronized "auto-magically". [what a phrase...] As above, When you are composing an email, just like messenger the phone features are integrated so that you can insert a picture, voice clip, video or other phone right into the email message.
4. Spaces. On Nokia devices there is an application called 'online share' which comes with plug-in's for Flickr and Vox and now we added Spaces support.
Mm, and that Live account to announce this is full of spam... The post below? How they're cramming in advertising into the above feature.
Video calling
Good point from Nokia:
User's unattractiveness at the video calling angle (as opposed to what they refer as the webcam on screen "MySpace" angle)
Allthingsd
Is althingsd and WSJ giving Murdoch an easy time? Review here
" In 2007, he purchased Dow Jones, which owns The Wall Street Journal and wsj.com, as well as this conference and its associated Web site, AllThingsD.com."
"Kara: How will you make the Journal better? Murdoch says Journal stories are too long and edited by too many people. Walt’s column is the exception, he jokes."
"Walt: So do you think this is a real recession? Yes, says Murdoch, and one that we won’t come out of for some time. There’s a lot to put right, he adds."
Video here and here
Question from Tim O’Reilly: Facebook’s model is built around categorization and lists. At what point does it need to build on search? And isn’t Facebook falling behind on that front? Zuckerberg says that seems to be a reasonable theory. As the site gets larger it needs to get better at filtering and searching its contents. After all, Facebook is about helping people to share information and share themselves…
(Probably keeping in mind the fact AOL is on the OpenSocial bandwagon, AOL owns Bebo. Google has MySpace. Facebook now is behind on search and offline capabilities). MySpace's Google Gears integration is a punch at Facebook - it allows backing up of all messages to a user's local device, and allow for serach and sort by date, from, status (read/unread) or subject. And, more importantly, users can also search the full text of messages. The results are shown instantly (think Outlook), without page refreshes. Firefox 3 has offline app support too
Some quotes for the morning:
(Who was feigning ignorance about how full of crap Sony laptops are, (they didn't even go on to how you have to pay to opt out of craplets)
Picasa in June for macs? I know they said they wouldn't step on anyone's toes (ie iPhoto), but it's possible, right?
Not sure if any photo app was mentioned yesterday through the HTC demo of Android.
Syncing
Either this is the wrong end of the stick, about to be nullified, or it's way out of date http://www.mac.com/1/solutions/sync.html http://www.mac.com/1/tigertour.html
Full keynote from I/O here From Steve Gilllmor
"If you play in the Windows Live sandbox (Hotmail, Messenger, Live Contacts and Spaces) and use a Nokia S60 phone, your life just got easier." Available today in a whole buncha places it wasn't before, the Windows Live app for S60 syncs your Live contacts and Hotmail account with the phone's address book and mail client (not push though), and lets you do pretty much all the regular Messenger stuff from your phone, like send pictures or files. And it's all intemagrated."
Handsets: Nokia N73, N80 Internet Edition, N95, N95 8GB [Multimap search for N95 8GB] [Google Map search for N95 8GB] , N76, N81, N82, N93i, E90, E65, E61i, E51, 6120*, 5700*, 6110* * Note that users with these handsets must first download a software pack at [url]www.nokia.com/windowslive
33 markets, inc. UK
Live always crashes for me on a N, so this might be useful. The joy of weeding through dupe contacts, and random ones picked up via the annoying autosave contact detail function. If it does sync both ways, it might be a great way to sync your Hotmail details up with Google/Yahoo/Outlook, as previous approaches have been rather labyrinthine.
Time to save all my contacts... Well done Nokia. Just 11 days to go, and you finally get some sort of Microsoft integration. Will be doing this to sort contacts out, then pas a bientot...
Update: "All of the Windows Live services are effortlessly downloadable and accessible" myrse. Nokia page info but no show on the download section even after refresh. Anyone else had any joy?
1. Live Contacts. Live Contacts -auto-synchronized within the address book of the Nokia device. The online presence and status of your contacts show up within the phone list. (How much data this uses is up for grabs, is this solely on when you're browsing your contacts now? Otherwise this must surely drain battery like a beast).
2. Messenger. Can take part in multiple conversations as you would expect. (And have been able to do via Fring for a while...)
When you are within a conversation you can send a voice clip, file or picture - either from the gallery or snap one with the camera.
3. Hotmail. The emails are downloaded sothey are available when you are offline. Right now your email isn't synchronized "auto-magically". [what a phrase...] As above, When you are composing an email, just like messenger the phone features are integrated so that you can insert a picture, voice clip, video or other phone right into the email message.
4. Spaces. On Nokia devices there is an application called 'online share' which comes with plug-in's for Flickr and Vox and now we added Spaces support.
Mm, and that Live account to announce this is full of spam... The post below? How they're cramming in advertising into the above feature.
Video calling
Good point from Nokia:
User's unattractiveness at the video calling angle (as opposed to what they refer as the webcam on screen "MySpace" angle)
Allthingsd
Is althingsd and WSJ giving Murdoch an easy time? Review here
" In 2007, he purchased Dow Jones, which owns The Wall Street Journal and wsj.com, as well as this conference and its associated Web site, AllThingsD.com."
"Kara: How will you make the Journal better? Murdoch says Journal stories are too long and edited by too many people. Walt’s column is the exception, he jokes."
"Walt: So do you think this is a real recession? Yes, says Murdoch, and one that we won’t come out of for some time. There’s a lot to put right, he adds."
Video here and here
Question from Tim O’Reilly: Facebook’s model is built around categorization and lists. At what point does it need to build on search? And isn’t Facebook falling behind on that front? Zuckerberg says that seems to be a reasonable theory. As the site gets larger it needs to get better at filtering and searching its contents. After all, Facebook is about helping people to share information and share themselves…
(Probably keeping in mind the fact AOL is on the OpenSocial bandwagon, AOL owns Bebo. Google has MySpace. Facebook now is behind on search and offline capabilities). MySpace's Google Gears integration is a punch at Facebook - it allows backing up of all messages to a user's local device, and allow for serach and sort by date, from, status (read/unread) or subject. And, more importantly, users can also search the full text of messages. The results are shown instantly (think Outlook), without page refreshes. Firefox 3 has offline app support too
Some quotes for the morning:
–Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates
–Sony CEO Howard Stringer on craplets on Sony PC
(Who was feigning ignorance about how full of crap Sony laptops are, (they didn't even go on to how you have to pay to opt out of craplets)
Gundotra said. Android, though, does not represent Google's countermove against the iPhone, Gundotra argued:
(From here (Coverage of I/O hasn't been as good as D6 in terms of Google putting out footage (though it's getting there on Google developers on youtube
Picasa in June for macs? I know they said they wouldn't step on anyone's toes (ie iPhoto), but it's possible, right?
Not sure if any photo app was mentioned yesterday through the HTC demo of Android.
Syncing
Either this is the wrong end of the stick, about to be nullified, or it's way out of date http://www.mac.com/1/solutions/sync.html http://www.mac.com/1/tigertour.html
Full keynote from I/O here From Steve Gilllmor
All things Z
If, and it's a big if... Cocoa Touch as a layer gets fed back to OS X so Macs get touch... How far or how much effort would it be to port the 2D workings of touch, onto a "touch from afar" or 2D representation of 3D gestures? Obviously adding the Z dimension would be a lot more effort, but a bridge between the likes of zcam and Lux isn't that much, presumably?
I'm just wondering what a mashup of Lux and zcam would look like right now.
I'm just thinking http://www.lm3labs.com/ wise. I really like the concept shown by LM3LABS as to the possibility not only of office large panels, but something that could port to advertising a rugged outside touch screen. Probably realistically unworkable, but meh.
Big bad negative points for the Flash site though.. Sorry iPhone readers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YJARk9oDE
Easy enough to get some perspex. IR detectors on the side snap on.
Heck - we know that auto-calibration of a device of any size shouldn't be a problem - I remember a video of Scoble showing how a projector, with what looked like a black and white Test card thrown out by the projector, could be analysed, and the angle and dimensions of the card could be within a few seconds analysed, and the projection of the screen could be fitted to the edges of the object (e.g. whiteboard, piece of paper, whatever). Heck, you could theoretically crunch the numbers and do it real-time - do adverts on moving objects in this manner (e.g. a white ball being kicked during kick up practise, snooker balls, whatever).
Touch might not do the Z dimension, but if another device did, couldn't it bootstrap itself onto the current Touch layer? Still groking the concept... till then, flattening the Z axis. As the Scoble videos before showed, there's a lot of potential. Shame Microsoft can't even demo it's potential beyond multi-touch Paint.
How can you go from multi-touch to this .
Multi-touch is like the poor man's flat mo-cap right now. How long will it take move it away from direct contact of a multi-touch pad, and give it the x dimension?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWDs7pC7n5M
Some pics of the demo on LM3 is shown - Touch allows the usage of a 3 Dimensional browser, which kicks ass imho. Doesn't do it justice from just the screenshots.
If, and it's a big if... Cocoa Touch as a layer gets fed back to OS X so Macs get touch... How far or how much effort would it be to port the 2D workings of touch, onto a "touch from afar" or 2D representation of 3D gestures? Obviously adding the Z dimension would be a lot more effort, but a bridge between the likes of zcam and Lux isn't that much, presumably?
I'm just wondering what a mashup of Lux and zcam would look like right now.
I'm just thinking http://www.lm3labs.com/ wise. I really like the concept shown by LM3LABS as to the possibility not only of office large panels, but something that could port to advertising a rugged outside touch screen. Probably realistically unworkable, but meh.
Big bad negative points for the Flash site though.. Sorry iPhone readers!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5YJARk9oDE
Easy enough to get some perspex. IR detectors on the side snap on.
Heck - we know that auto-calibration of a device of any size shouldn't be a problem - I remember a video of Scoble showing how a projector, with what looked like a black and white Test card thrown out by the projector, could be analysed, and the angle and dimensions of the card could be within a few seconds analysed, and the projection of the screen could be fitted to the edges of the object (e.g. whiteboard, piece of paper, whatever). Heck, you could theoretically crunch the numbers and do it real-time - do adverts on moving objects in this manner (e.g. a white ball being kicked during kick up practise, snooker balls, whatever).
Touch might not do the Z dimension, but if another device did, couldn't it bootstrap itself onto the current Touch layer? Still groking the concept... till then, flattening the Z axis. As the Scoble videos before showed, there's a lot of potential. Shame Microsoft can't even demo it's potential beyond multi-touch Paint.
How can you go from multi-touch to this .
Multi-touch is like the poor man's flat mo-cap right now. How long will it take move it away from direct contact of a multi-touch pad, and give it the x dimension?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWDs7pC7n5M
Some pics of the demo on LM3 is shown - Touch allows the usage of a 3 Dimensional browser, which kicks ass imho. Doesn't do it justice from just the screenshots.
Attachments
This news is a bit troubling:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...itunes_movies_for_ukcanada_wto_complaint.html
Hopefully it either isn't the iPhone's chip they are talking about, or just that they expected 1.5 million more chips to be sold to them during this quarter (ends June 30th you know).
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...itunes_movies_for_ukcanada_wto_complaint.html
Hopefully it either isn't the iPhone's chip they are talking about, or just that they expected 1.5 million more chips to be sold to them during this quarter (ends June 30th you know).
Ain't been pinned to Apple yet. Will have a look
The reuters take
There's a difference between a delay, a lowered order from Apple, and other factors. Depends what time scale Infineon needs, to know to produce more. Apple is also seeming to be boosting iPod manufacturing, so it's all up in the air...
Wow I just watched a demo on Google Android and was HiiiiiiGHLY impressed!!
But can someone explain to me what it is exactly, like I know it isn't a phone, but what exactly is it and how will it benefit me?
Also will any of that be on the iPhone?
But can someone explain to me what it is exactly, like I know it isn't a phone, but what exactly is it and how will it benefit me?
Also will any of that be on the iPhone?
Android is an OS being made by Google (and others I believe). It is not tied to a certain device. Devices are being made that can use the Android platform.
Think of it as Apple licensing their iPod OS for other manufacturers. You can get different phones using the same OS, but features will be limited depending on the hardware the OS is going on.
How will it benefit an iPhone user. Perhaps Google will be releasing an app for the iPhone Map app that supports some of the features in Android (like Street View). But other than that, all it is will be competition for the iPhone. Although you know what Bill Gates says, "Competition is good, monopolies are bad"
I like competition personally. It drives companies to create better products.
I agree, it could be the ramp up for production was delayed a couple of weeks by Apple. If the build order for 3mil units was for June and they had to shift that a couple of weeks out, that could easily explain the 1.5mil decline in orders for the quarter (quarter ends in June). I am not panicing yet. Besides, we Americans usually get Apple products first. You Brits can wait a couple of weeks, right T?
hmmmm.....you are correct, the thread does cover a significant amount of info, from the iPhone release to how the OS works, to other competitors OS (e.g. google), and much more....
to be honest, the best answer I can give is that as topics were discussed, they went into so much detail, which lead to other detailed topics. All in all, there is a ton of info.
some of it's out of my league...but some is rather informative
i am sorry I can't give u a more specific answer...
BEGONE NON BELIEVER!!!!
In the beginning there was t0mat0 and he said "let there be 3G in an iPhone" and it was good.
It began as a repository for the meager scraps of speculation of the 3G iPhone, when it would be released, what it would have in it, etc.
Now with the date gettting closer and closer, the thread has turned into a mix of everything iPhone related with a dash of WWDC stuff.
Don't question it, just embrace it. Join us..... join us.
Im selling mine to my friend for a 100 bucks.
I know I could get alot more, but whatever. There's one more addition to the iphone world.
I know I could get alot more, but whatever. There's one more addition to the iphone world.
no! not having thought i was only waiting for wildcardd day. i've been waiting long enough already with my iphone sold weeks ago
no! not having thought i was only waiting for wildcardd day. i've been waiting long enough already with my iphone sold weeks ago
Wildcardd day sucked, even for me
I feel your pain though. Switched companies at the end of March. They used to be on Verizon, so I had a Blackberry. New company has AT&T, so I even purchased a 16Gb iPhone (along with the freebie Nokia). It sat on my desk staring at me for a week (I didn't want to break the shrink wrap). Finally I decided to "suck it up" and return the iPhone and wait patiently for the 3G iPhone. The decision has been haunting me since. I despise my Nokia (except for the battery life)...I want email, I want web browsing, I want bluetooth, I want it fast, basically I want it all.
BEGONE NON BELIEVER!!!!
In the beginning there was t0mat0 and he said "let there be 3G in an iPhone" and it was good.
It began as a repository for the meager scraps of speculation of the 3G iPhone, when it would be released, what it would have in it, etc.
Now with the date gettting closer and closer, the thread has turned into a mix of everything iPhone related with a dash of WWDC stuff.
Don't question it, just embrace it. Join us..... join us.
Haha ah right I see, but I do feel sorry for the guy writing all this! Good job though I guess!
Wildcardd day sucked, even for me
I feel your pain though. Switched companies at the end of March. They used to be on Verizon, so I had a Blackberry. New company has AT&T, so I even purchased a 16Gb iPhone (along with the freebie Nokia). It sat on my desk staring at me for a week (I didn't want to break the shrink wrap). Finally I decided to "suck it up" and return the iPhone and wait patiently for the 3G iPhone. The decision has been haunting me since. I despise my Nokia (except for the battery life)...I want email, I want web browsing, I want bluetooth, I want it fast, basically I want it all.
i completely regret selling my iphone. i heard that o2 were about to reduce the price down to £169 and thought i should sell my phone before that happened to preserve the secondhand value of mine. but i really hate using my old nokia and i was nicely used to using the iphone. and i really shouldn't be so mean with money; i should have just waited for the new iphone and sold my old iphone then even if it meant getting less money.
i am. but i don't know what you mean about what has happened to the forum.
i'm probably being thick though in not understanding!