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Back off, dude.

If you don't like the heat in the kitchen...

Frankly, I don't see the purpose of bashing another poster.

No flaming, please.

I believe the saying goes, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen..." ;)

But I completely agree with Jeff, doc, saladiro and all of the other loyal followers of this thread, you guys better back off. If you don't like what is offered here, go elsewhere. He follows all of the forum's rules, and it is one of the most educated threads I have ever seen, let alone participated in. If anything, you guys are breaking the rules of the forum... trolling, possibly even considered spamming, and creating off-topic discussions. :dodgy:

In a move of unsurprising proportions, StyleTap announced today that it will be bringing its Palm OS emulator to the iPhone and iPod touch... officially. This basically means that every one of those precious Palm apps you couldn't live without will now be easily accessible via Apple's devices, thus seriously threatening the argument for keeping your Treo 600. Gregory Sokoloff, CEO of the company, said that the response to a video posted in February of a demo version of the software convinced them to take the plunge.

http://www.engadget.com/2008/05/30/styletaps-palm-os-emulator-officially-coming-to-iphone-and-ipod/

^^^Just another reason to move away from a treo or anything of the sort.
 
yea guys..if you are not happy with the contents of the thread, please

1) don't read,
2) find another thread (there has to be ton out on the WWW)
3) respectfully don't complain

i mean..no one is twisting your arm

This has been one of the most informative and friendly threads. Aside from a few rude comments, the majority of people are friendly, informative and what I love the most, is that you don't get bashed for asking "stupid questions" (sorry, not all are advanced mac users)

anyway....

last point...no one is twisting your arm to read it.

on a lighter note...let's all enjoy the anticipation and build up for the new iPhone.....

I can only say that I will be sad to see this thread end when the new iPhone comes out.

I am hoping that Tom starts, or continues a thread dedicated to the new iPhone

enjoy...it's the weekend;)
 
WWWWWHM update

Consider this the WWWWWHM update, a view back, and overdue... With Apple's increase in bridges, it's creates more living space, right? But we can all get along till the Mods tell us to move on...
It isn't going to all be parsed into the specific parts, as they interrelate, and as saladiro says: it's the weekend ;)

Whilst Broadcom and their BCM21551 chip was a possibility in the early days, it's time to full on production didn't fit the expected launch times of the new iPhone. Infineons does. Interestingly, whilst the BCM21551 offered A-GPS, in effect, Apple might be able to outtrump it, by going with eGPS (thanks kdarling )*. Apple might even migrate to one of Broadcom's SoC's come 2009 (a putative explanation for the decreased order from Apple for Infineon?), but then Intel will be making a serious contender i'd imagine, via successor chips to the current Atom line up (or something else, Intel does secrets well). In either case, Apple will be getting a chip with the options to have all the modules they want (DVB H, Radio, GPS, Better cam support, Stereo BT handsets etc etc, and match the current wave of HTC handsets. The chip was pegged a while back at early access Oct 07, and seemingly able to fab in bulk by April 08. (Which, writing it, kinda makes me think, With Infineon's lowered orders, what is the current status on the chip? I can't remember all the arguments about it not coming out till >3Q 08...One of the tenets of arguing against the container ships contents being iPhones was that Infineon wasn't expecting to get out of the door chips in bulk till May/June time -hmm).

"Follow the SDK" - A line of thinking that now, nearer the time, has shown to work, in the near-term (3G, geotagging, amongst others).

Areas gone quiet
Infineon, Broadcom, who the screen manufacturer is (May not be Balda),PartFoundry, Gomite, Fon, NVidia, depth perception, Symbian touch,

*Info on CSR Apple is in my view less likely to go with SiRF, and more likely to go with CSR/Broadcom.

When
" I would not hold your breath on a 3G iPhone in 2008." TXCraig 4
"Call it September. This gives a 2+ month cushion for the device to go through the FCC's all-too-revealing process, which not even el-Jobso can silence." anthonymoody 14
"Will not happen for YEARS." [wrt iSight] JBaker122586 27
"In any event I'm going out on a limb here to say that by the end of March we should see another iPhone model. Might not be 3G, but Apple need to add to the line up. Personally I think we will see a revival of the old Nano form factor for the low end iPhone, mainly because it is longer and can function as a phone held to the head."wizard 33
"frankly they need to get cracking." wizard 48 (Too right!)

Where
- "How many more threads about 3G?" 7 (Title trouble seen by 18...)
- "This is one of the more intelligent threads on 3G. Kudos to t0mat0. Very good reasoning, whether it pans out or not. So let us keep going. Stop polluting this thread with silly and unintelligent wisecracks " dangleheart 10

10 million
"There is no way will sell 10M of the current iPhones by the end of the year" natejohnstone@g 31 before clarifying 37 then again "LOL, then there is absolutely no way!"...unless something changes as I said". A true yeah but no but hehe ;)

3G
"I would have to say that the people who covet 3G over Apple's software is a very small minority. Sure there are any number of people who realize that for their specific usages it is mandatory, but I believe for a large number of people they have no idea or are happy with WiFI." wizard 40

QI type Alarm words
"Cannalise" - "You loose ten points right off the bat for using that word." Wizard
"Best (x ever)" Jobs's reality field doesn't always work when quoted.

iPods
"ipod sales have more or less reached their peak" sjo 45


As a quick shout to mudaudio, and in relation to new threads -
What would people actually find most useful post WWDC as thread topics? I'm sure threads along the lines of Apps I find great etc" will surface, but "review/recommendation" as an area in the internet age easily becomes stultifying primarily from the signal to noise ratio.


GPS again

http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/31/google-to-launch-large-scale-geo-services/

Techcrunch UK noticed a Location services API for Google Gears. In line with the announcements about Android at I/O, but also relevant to iPhone.

"We found out today that Google is backing up their Location API with a large effort to map out cell-phone towers and wifi hotspots, so that a user’s location can be pin-pointed more precisely."


“Geolocation API” appeared on this list for Google Gears code; “Provides the geolocation of a device running a Gears-enabled web browser.” With references to “cell_towers”, “cell_id”, and “wifi_towers”. Further down there are fascinating definitions of the terms, such as “timing_advance: Represents the distance from the cell tower. Each unit is roughly 550 meters.” Any ideas kdarling? Is this

Is this a reference to U-TDOA (Uplink Time Difference of Arrival)

Think this with teeth.

...let's all enjoy the anticipation and build up for the new iPhone.....
<SNIP> enjoy...it's the weekend...
 
As a quick shout to mudaudio, and in relation to new threads -
What would people actually find most useful post WWDC as thread topics? I'm sure threads along the lines of Apps I find great etc" will surface, but "review/recommendation" as an area in the internet age easily becomes stultifying primarily from the signal to noise ratio.

Hey, cheers for the shout.

In the spirit of our recent conversation, I'd like to see a thread that seeks to solve a problem - one where readers can input creative new ideas, for the greater good! ;)

I'll think about specific ideas. One that immediately springs to mind is the further implementation of multitouch. I heard someone talking about the implementation of multitouch in laptops and desktops. The whole issue of interacting with a multi-touch screen, in a way that is comfortable, etc.... I must admit it's not a burning issue for me (I'm sure Apple will crack it on their own), AND I don't really have any blinding ideas on the subject! But for the sake of discussion, it could be an interesting one to delve into!

Another subject closer to my heart is pervasive/mobile computing. How can mobile, location-aware devices (i.e. the iPhone) make our lives better?! For example, it seems like location-based advertising is an inevitability, so how could it be done with the customer-interest in mind? (no idea if these ideas fall within the scope of the 'forum rules', by the way!).

Other, better ideas welcome??? Anyone?

Basically, I'd like to identify a burning issue, and through selfless collaboration, try to solve it?! Or not :p
 
"Another subject closer to my heart is pervasive/mobile computing. How can mobile, location-aware devices (i.e. the iPhone) make our lives better?! For example, it seems like location-based advertising is an inevitability, so how could it be done with the customer-interest in mind? (no idea if these ideas fall within the scope of the 'forum rules', by the way!)."

......here's a long shot, but have the iPhone contain key vital signs of individuals. e.g. people with diabetes... Let them know their blood sugar ratio
 
"Another subject closer to my heart is pervasive/mobile computing. How can mobile, location-aware devices (i.e. the iPhone) make our lives better?! For example, it seems like location-based advertising is an inevitability, so how could it be done with the customer-interest in mind? (no idea if these ideas fall within the scope of the 'forum rules', by the way!)."

......here's a long shot, but have the iPhone contain key vital signs of individuals. e.g. people with diabetes... Let them know their blood sugar ratio

Interestingly enough, I am a type 2 diabetic (since I was 19). There was a program for the Palm Pilot that would be fantastic for the iPhone. It would allow you to record your Blood Glucose readings. It would show you charts and graphs of your BG's. You could make notations for when you were naughty (mmmm..chocolate cake). You could then download the log and be able print up the charts and readings. It was a pretty simple database and would be a fantastic app for the iPhone.

I suppose they could come up with a BG tester dongle that would plug into the port of the iphone and allow you to test your blood, then the readings would go directly into the program. That would be handy.

Lots of ideas out there.
 
First the InGear section on Sunday, (a waffle rfom Mark Harris, of a quality worse than MR rumours) and now the Business section today here:

New iPhone could be for sale at £100 by July, Lilly Peel

Claiming the 3G iPhone could be available in Britain for ~£100 in July
"A source close to the deal said that the new model was expected to be on shops’ shelves by July"
"UBS analysts believe that the new iPhone could be available across Europe for as little as €99, but think that this price is unlikely to be that low in the UK, where O2, the mobile operator, has a multi-year exclusive deal for the iPhone, suggesting that a British price could be close to £100." [GBP £100 = 127 Euros]

Ben Wood, a CCS Insight analyst: “They are also looking for more flexibility on how the operators can price the iPhone, although I am not convinced that they will let them have open season on the price, as they have a lucrative iPod market to protect.”

"Cutting the price and ending exclusivity will help Apple to meet its target of selling ten million iPhones by the end of the year. It is a long way short of that. At the end of December the exclusive carriers for Britain, Germany and France — O2, T-Mobile and Orange — had sold 330,000 phones between them, but industry sources say that European iPhone sales were forecast at 500,000 to 600,000 units.

Apple’s former strategy — in which operators pay upfront for the iPhone, sell it to customers with a small mark-up plus VAT, and pay an estimated 15%of average revenue per user to Apple — has begun to crumble in Europe. In April Tim Cook, Apple’s chief operating officer, said that carriers were free to price the iPhone as low as they wished and followed it with a U-turn on operator exclusivity."


Problems with the article:
- It's another "source close to the deal"
- They're misreading Tim Cook - he gave operators free reign on pricing - he gave them a price cap, and said that carriers were free to price the iPhone as low as they wished.
- How is a u-turn if it was the strategy in the first place?
- It's going to make looking at the contract as hard as always. Will it be competitive with data? Potential over-priced data plans are a possible problem. Using the phone on another carrier, that has better data rates is also a possibility (though the Cloud is v. useful).
- Reading other articles, there seems to be a *lot* of reliance on CCS analysis.

Nvidia
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9956304-37.html
At Computex, Nvidia plans to show off Tegra (with an ARM11 processor in it)- and also it's processor for smartphones, the APX 2500.

It's reported the Tegra 600 series processors won't consume more than 1W running at either 600MHz/800MHz. Nvidia's products are designed to work exclusively with Microsoft's WM software.

Expected devices with Tegra by 4Q holiday season (aka Christmas?)

(Video) iChat
Back in the day Picture attached. From here
We've got to bear in mind that Apple isn't going to necessarily be updating the iPhone every 6 months like other manufacturers, and so we could be looking at a 9 month timeframe (we'll know more abot how long the upcoming iPhone will be the newest version when we see Apple reaction to sales figures, and how it maps to the 25 million for the life of the upcoming phone version i.e. when the successor to the 3G iPhone is likely to be put into production).
iChat
Offering"Video backdrops, Photo Booth effects, photo slideshows, Keynote presentations, even movies on your Mac — you can share it all using iChat."

Is it possible on iPhone?
Most of it, yes.
Voice Chat - yes
Video Chat - yes (Front facing cam is norm in Europe -3G is Apple's Hello World moment)
Photo slideshows - yes
Keynote presentations - at least share the files, if not show them
Movies - yes
File sharing* - yes

* in terms of file sharing, we're very likely to have a decently thought out system by Apple coming shortly, which needed more time than they had to get the iPhone out. Think flicking files across akin to the demonstration from the multiplayer Pong game. That game demonstrated that you can wirelessly link iPhones, and have "objects" be flung at a certain speed and direction, and that to be retained, to be passed on to another device. Why not a iMac, or laptop? I haven't seen any demos yet, but I imagine that the iPhone games could port to laptops, so 1 person could use a laptop, 1 could use the iPhone. Or the laptop could be used for file transfer, using multi-touch to throw them over. etc. Apple is facing a lot more choices, settings as they add complexity - it'll be interesting to see how they simp this (see the youtube neckcricker above).

We've already seen demos/articles that the iPhone can do VPN/Screen sharing - collaboration work. iChat as it stands works with AIM. I'm sure that AOL would like to get AIM integration into iChat - after all, they knocked up a chat system in

iChat record is also a possibility - The ability to use the iPhone as a decent recording device would add another string to it's convergence bow, and then also allow potentially to be able to save audio/video chats. (After all, it's just video recording, and that's doable on a Flip!). It might only do it via other iChat users, creating an impetus for others to get Apple Mac/iPhone too hehe.

I'd imagine it comes down to the technical limitations of what the new 3G iPhones can do and what they can code. They've had enough time though :) All in all? I'd add iChat as one of those potential things that will be a WWDC "unannounced" Session previously mentioned.

From the wiki - video iChat links AIM, .Mac, ICQ and XMPP client by Apple for the Mac OS X.

Remember iPhone has Bonjour - this feature as mentioned is going to be kick-ass in terms of apps. The density and popularity of iPhones will soon lead to passing the threshold needed to be able to have apps that share files, music, play games ad hoc - find a user on the tube, play a game, whatever (bearing in mind security). It could be used just like Bluetooth - cloaking unless you want to show your presence, but able to connect to known friends.
iChat also allows integration of MSN, Yahoo! and Google Talk contacts. It would make sense for Apple to force everyone into 1 app, as it'd be a pain in the derriere for a user to have to have 5 different IM services, and to not be able to have them running at once. Like Fring - you can easily merge different system's contacts, and have them run through 1 app. Hopefully they're all playing ball, and allowing this. I can imagine Google's Android will do something similar, with it's Talk offering cross -IM platform support.
There is enough buzz and momentum behind the iPhone that if developers/companies don't adapt to suit, or don't even try, then they will potentially lose marketshare (or at the very least, lose some of the more market leading /power users).

iChat capabilities are apparently "based on the industry-standard" Session Initiation Protocol (SIP) for video chat and audio chat. It'd be nice to get another standard out and championed. The key to stopping fragmentation is basically getting enough people to use it - so it's self-perpetuating, and self-reinforcing in terms of user numbers. A chain reactino of conversion to the software.

Will Adium and the like rival it? Perhaps, but Apple owns the software, the hardware, the app store, the keys to let anyone on the app store, and also has had a long lead time ahead of other developers, giving them a big head start.

It was 4 years ago that Jobs revealed iChat 3 on Tiger could support up to 4 people in a video conference (using H.264/AVC)and 10 in an audio conference. By also supporting the Jabber protocol, it allows Google Talk support and others.

With the .mac name change, and potential for reworking the concept, there is as always the potential for big changes afoot. It'll be an evolution, and there will be development of the software no doubt - we aren't going to get everything at once - that's not Apple's style. But the potential is for a bumper WWDC, and IM through iChat could be part of it.

Patent from 2005: AppleInsider

Predictions. I'll smarten these up in a bit, but:
If they update iPhone in Summer 2009, i'd say the new model could be ~ 32GB, 3G, OLED, similar screen size, better resolution, GPS included in 1 model, dongle GPS available, iChat, Front facing camera, StreetView, internal compass, video chat (1way or 2 way possible).
If replaced or as the lower model in 6 months time, then 3G is still as likely (i.e. mandatory for the top model), GPS still available as a dongle, likely as an option for the top model, front facing cam an option on the top model.


What else beyond iPhone at WWDC?
SDK, 2.0 Software
ACD update (with iSight, IR and more)`
Apple TV Take3 - (it might well merge with the AppleTV).
iTablet or similar
App Store
U.S. Cloud
Big .Mac changes*
10.6 demoed.*
Quicktime updated
iTunes updated (Cocoa if we're lucky!)
Multitouch USB/FW/BT pads to bring Multi=touch to the Mac (or the allowing of a 3d party to make one).

It's the WWDC, but all these devices need developers for applications. This is the kit that developers will be writing code *for*. 3G iPhone will *not* be the 1 more thing. No freaking way.
Touchscreen iPods come just after the back to school promo's end.

*Integration ala mesh - Microsoft is coming out with an interesting concept, and Apple will have been working on something similar in concept (if not similar in method). Blowing the hell away from W(M)7. Touch coming to the main Mac OS. Like Core animations, I'd imagine that the opportunity to integrate it into any app for Mac will come as standard - an OS wide rollout.

...I think the majority of people will be disappointed because they cant announce everything, and everyone is expecting that the thing they want is the thing that will be announced.

Disagree - It'll mean some initial frustration, but be a BIG indication that there's more coming from Apple than fits inside 1 keynote. Which is A GOOD THING. I don't think that it's disappointing if Apple can't fit all it's goodies into 1 keynote! I think that's all the better for us, as it indicates there's lots to come!

I doubt 10.6 will fully integrate MT into the UI. There will still be a need for the keyboard and mouse, and basic LCD/LED displays.

Disagree. Why can't integration mean alongside - you're just thinking either or, rather than complimentary. Did the mouse replace the keyboard? Did the trackpad replace the mouse? Did the clit-mouse replace the mouse?

There will be vocal disappointment *whatever*. I'm thinking however, that Apple has a solid year on both HW and SW for the iPhone, Touch, and this could easily feed into new products, Touch in the OS, GP in the iPhone.The thing about suprises, is that you have to keep them a secret, to be a surprise...

For MWSF, the "Something in the Air" posters came out on the Friday 11th Jan, for the conference starting on the 14th. ( I think they hit the website ~14th). Remember that Moscone West is in demand - heck they had teh I/O for Google there not long ago..


Video?
+1 from the rumour mill for video conferencing, front cam, and other video goodies.

"MacRumors has heard some unconfirmed whispers about the 3G capable iPhone due at next week's WWDC. Besides 3G support, the following features/specs were also passed along, mostly consistent with circulating rumors: - Focus on Multimedia with Video recording - Video Conferencing - GPS" "As with all pre-release specs, confirmation can be difficult and intentional misinformation may be common, so we provide it for interest alone."

Is the £100 iPhone from O2 link with the recent Kevin Rose's comment about a low end iPhone one and the same? ...

Ads
Seeing as the iPhone will be announced 9th, but maybe not get worlwide release then, they can easily make ads for it after the announcement, like this potentially
 

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my bro just email me this...skipped around and watched a few parts,

I don't know how old or new it is....

but it's late and I am turing it in...

I will watch tomm (and perhaps some of you will also) and will comment

(to be honest, i have no clue if its relevant to the new iphone, or just new software for the phone)
 
Disagree. Why can't integration mean alongside - you're just thinking either or, rather than complimentary. Did the mouse replace the keyboard? Did the trackpad replace the mouse? Did the clit-mouse replace the mouse?

Naw, it won't happen, that isn't enough reason to integrate it fully into the OS. They may put the software in there but there won't be a crap load of expensive touch displays floating everywhere or on the markets.

I expect much more useful MT trackpads is what I am expecting. Not some multi-touch wizardry out of the mind of some sci-fi computer nerds.

I agree that the mouse did enhance the input for us users.
 
Naw, it won't happen, that isn't enough reason to integrate it fully into the OS. They may put the software in there but there won't be a crap load of expensive touch displays floating everywhere or on the markets.

I expect much more useful MT trackpads is what I am expecting. Not some multi-touch wizardry out of the mind of some sci-fi computer nerds.

I agree that the mouse did enhance the input for us users.


How about a tablet with a trackpad? You could create something with a screen sized to a 16x9 aspect ration, then make it even a bit longer (not much) with a good sized trackpad. You get to keep the screen smudge free, and you get to leverage the kinds of intuitiveness that Apple is building into the trackpad.

I say this as my neighbor was talking about her tablet pc today (ms) and she thought there was no intuition in it whatsoever...
 
How about a tablet with a trackpad? You could create something with a screen sized to a 16x9 aspect ration, then make it even a bit longer (not much) with a good sized trackpad. You get to keep the screen smudge free, and you get to leverage the kinds of intuitiveness that Apple is building into the trackpad.

I say this as my neighbor was talking about her tablet pc today (ms) and she thought there was no intuition in it whatsoever...

If Apple goes multi-touch on the Mac, I'd want it to be integrated into the keyboard...
 

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That would be awesome! :D

Also, some new info popped up on the front page of macrumors.com if you guys want to check it out...

Today, a rumor about a 22% thinner 3G iPhone with GPS priced at $200 hit the Mac web. In looking back, however, this is not the first time we've heard this exact set of specifications. On April 29th, Scott Mortiz first reported on the possibility of a $200 subsidy from AT&T for the 3G iPhone. He said it would be priced at $399 (8GB) and $499 (16GB), but after a $200 subsidy, these prices would fall to $199 and $299, respectively.

Moritz also specifically said that the new iPhone will be 2.5mm thinner than the current iPhone, which happens to work out to 22% thinner (2.5mm/11.6mm), corresponding nicely to Kahney's 22% thinner figure. Kahney and Moritz diverge on the capacity of the iPhone, however, as Kahney claims 16GB and 32GB sizes for the new iPhone. Regardless, this paints a picture of the following possible "thin iPhone":

Thin iPhone
• $199 (8GB or 16GB), $299 (16GB or 32GB), possibly subsidized by AT&T
• 3G, GPS, 22% thinner
• Possible longer battery

However, it's also clear that there's another set of rumors circulating which are also consistent with each other. The so-called "thick iPhone" rumor started at Engadget and depicted in the XSKN case designs.

Thick iPhone
• 3G, GPS, slightly thicker
• Glossy black, rounded back
• Non-recessed headphone jack, additional sensor?

If you add in recent whispers of high end pricing of the 16GB ($499) and 32GB ($699) models, this introduces the possibility that these rumors together could represent a range of iPhone models.

Both Thick and Thin?
• $399 (8GB), $499 (16GB), $699 (32GB) retail prices
• Possible $200 subsidy bringing prices to $199 (8GB), $299 (16GB), $499 (32GB)
• 3GB, GPS, ? Video Conferencing
• Low capacity models thinner, high capacity models thicker

Of course, alternatively, one or none of these rumors could be true. As we've said before, Apple has been known to purposefully spread misinformation in order to confuse the rumor mill. Official announcements are expected next week during the Worldwide Developer Conference keynote which takes place on Monday, June 9th, 2008.
 
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That would be awesome! :D

Also, some new info popped up on the front page of macrumors.com if you guys want to check it out...

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speaking for myself, and perhaps some others...I don't think apple would be smart to make a thicker iPhone....(then again, Steve J. knows better)

"smaller is the way to go"....especially for guys (who don't carry a purse) and who want to slip it in their pockets nice and easy and not have to sit down and feel uncomfortable. With older blackberries I could not do this and I hated it!!!!

I think size is a major selling and marketing point....they did come out with the mac air on that theory....(i believe)
my vote is for thiner....
 
How about a tablet with a trackpad? You could create something with a screen sized to a 16x9 aspect ration, then make it even a bit longer (not much) with a good sized trackpad. You get to keep the screen smudge free, and you get to leverage the kinds of intuitiveness that Apple is building into the trackpad.

I say this as my neighbor was talking about her tablet pc today (ms) and she thought there was no intuition in it whatsoever...

It would work fine on a tablet as full multi-touch. There would be no need for a trackpad or other input device then, since Apple hates pens/styli etc.

I was commenting on the use of full touch gestures on Mac OS 10.6 while using a laptop or desktop. The OS may have it built in under the hood, but Steve won't be on stage in the next 6 months unveiling a full touch Mac Book to the world.

We are still waiting for our LED MacBook screens and hi res 15" MBP screens, for us to be begging for touch sensitive 15" 17" and 24" screens.

The keyboard would work if it where thicker, but putting that kind of functionality into the right side would make it a bit cumbersome, and then the question "why not make the whole thing touch" would arise.
 
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Digital Skunk said:
Disagree. Why can't integration mean alongside - you're just thinking either or, rather than complimentary. Did the mouse replace the keyboard? Did the trackpad replace the mouse? Did the clit-mouse replace the mouse?

Naw, it won't happen, that isn't enough reason to integrate it fully into the OS. They may put the software in there but there won't be a crap load of expensive touch displays floating everywhere or on the markets.

I expect much more useful MT trackpads is what I am expecting. Not some multi-touch wizardry out of the mind of some sci-fi computer nerds.

I agree that the mouse did enhance the input for us users.

so what is a iphone if not a fancy expensive multitouch display? hehe
i think pads rather than displays will lead the way...
 
cnet news just posted an article. they seem to think (allege) that both iPhone software/store and the 3g iphone will both become available on Monday. i bet its just an announcement - they still don't have the final SDK out, AT$T said no vacations after the 15th. what do ya'll think?

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-9958320-37.html?tag=nefd.lede

I wish..cause I would get up and leave work.....but i have to think they would say something like "in 5 days...." and then let the public go crazy sleeping outside of Apple stores.....
 
I as well would like it to be released Monday. I would leave work too. One argument against this is the "they wouldn't do that to the developers." I don't really see why Apple would see that as a good enough reason to hold up the release. They first exist to make money and they do that by selling product. Also, the developers have essentially had access to the basic workings of the new phones software in the SDK. On top of that why can't Apple have a truck load of new phones there for the developers to buy if they'd like.
 
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