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To the people who are saying why would apple obsolete a product when its selling so well.

OK true for the US, but in vast swathes of this planet which have kept with the programme and have modern cell phone networks a non 3g iphone will be ridiculed and will simply not sell as 3g is so heavily marketed.

despite the beautiful gui apple MUST have 3g for these countries.

Watch out for the progress of the Sydney apple store when they let people up the glass staircases in June chances are they'll be going down them again with 3G iphone 2's
 
Is the SDK enough of a "landmark event. In more ways than one" ?

I'd imagine Apple wouldn't want to announce iPhone in new markets too close to the upgrade to a 3G iPhone.

So.... thoughts?

I deffinetly believe it is a major landmark event. Look at when the orginal announcement of an SDK was made public. It made media headlines all over the world, got more users interested and increased sales and expectations for February. Look at how much rif raf came about when it was only a week late. Look at the excitement in just these forums alone when the beta was finally released. The anticaption is huge, the market will be huge and along with the release of the 16gig (very smart move to get people to buy thinking they will need the space for native apps) was a landmark event. Currently, it is hard to find 16 gig iPhones and then watch in May when all of a sudden there will be plently of 16 gig phones to buy right before the release of SDK, another sales spike. This whole SDK is unpressedent and is setting a new standard for cell phones. They are expanding new markets (two today) every month for the next 3 months...they would not do that if they were going to release a 3G. There will be a 4-6 month gap in opening new markets before offering version 2...this is common sense otherwise the anger would be something fierce in those countries as it happened here with the price reduction.
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I believe only time will tell. The only other thing i will say is that it makes complete sense for apple to release new hardware along with new software

It does not make perfect sense, not if you want to sell more of your product. The sense is to sell as many as you possibly can of the current product, refresh it with software/native apps and sell more. And, as stated above, if you are going to expand your market, you are deffinetly not going to release a new version within 4-6 months of what you just offered to that market. It makes complete sense to break apart your products to always get new customers and to catch some of that market you already posses to always keep their loved product fresh. They will not release at the same time IMO
 
Having read a member on the boards say that'd he'd heard from an O2 rep that there was something coming August time, it might be fun to substantiate that.

That timeframe of an August announcement...
SDK, plus FCC ruling? They could do a price hit come June, then have the new 3G iPhone come August post FCC/UK equvalent etc.

Having thought more about it, and read up on some articles on app development for mobiles, the SDK in June *is* big :) I would imagine Gates will be able to bring on a fair few BIG names showing their apps that they've built to be ready come WWDC. And what with the court case finished, unless there's another hearing for an time dragging appeal, McCartney might be able to finally get some Beatles music ready for WWDC? Gotta dream.

Interesting estimate: ~85 % of Japanese handset owners are on 3G models, with no 2G handsets sold at the start of 2008.
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/17/docomo_dump_2g_2012_january/
 
Having thought more about it, and read up on some articles on app development for mobiles, the SDK in June *is* big :) I would imagine Gates will be able to bring on a fair few BIG names showing their apps that they've built to be ready come WWDC. And what with the court case finished, unless there's another hearing for an time dragging appeal, McCartney might be able to finally get some Beatles music ready for WWDC? Gotta dream.

I'm guessing you mean Jobs :p

-Kristijan
 
I think the iPhone 2 will be out sooner than later. Apple is a horrible cellphone company, why? Cellphones get updated every few weeks, not software updates, HARDWARE! Sidekick 3 has had 3G for how long now? I know I am waiting for 3G, and more space. I think its hurting Apple more than helping not having 3G out right now. And points have been made that other companies will be further ahead then Apple if they wait. Heck Apple is already pretty far behind. So I say April-May latest June.
 
Any idea if the iphone 2/3g will have gps built in? this is an essential feature for me i know the iphone now has that cell tower based system but i can't see that being very accurate certainly not much use for in car navigation heck gps could do with being more accurate sometimes.
 
Any idea if the iphone 2/3g will have gps built in? this is an essential feature for me i know the iphone now has that cell tower based system but i can't see that being very accurate certainly not much use for in car navigation heck gps could do with being more accurate sometimes.

It's open for discussion. Currently, Apple uses Google maps, and uses cell triangulation, with any wifi hotspot information. But it's not GPS accuracy at all really.

Seeing as there's convergence in many markets (GPS, Cellphone, mp3 players) Apple has an opportunity/need to get in on this.
They could incorporate it across the whole line, make it optional, or have it as an external accessory. With the new hardware coming for A-GPS, they could just about fit a chip internally, but are more likely to offer external plug in devices - like a dock/charger for cars that already has the GPS chip in, or a small 1/2 matchbox sized/Nike Plus sized plug in. A stand alone chip'll most likely be marketed come the SDK launch - it's feasable, as prototypes have already been shown.

Nokia already has A-GPS in it's N95, though Nokia has the maps know how to go with this - Apple doesn't.

Short answer - yes, by Autumn there will be a plug in hardware option. Like 3G battery usage, GPS is still seen as a battery drainer, so it might be v3 before we see it as an option. Once Infineon/Broadcomm start offering it as part of their all in one chip for phones, it's much more likely.
 
Enjoy these last few days of relative privacy before GPS is forced upon iPhone users. The absolutely useless function for the retarded will be making its way to the iPhone, I'm sure by its very next version.

Quite a life, the GPS-user has.

- Has no idea where they are, ever. (Why else would you need a tool to fix this in your pocket?)

- Has no concern for letting large corporations provide them with GPS technology.


I fear for every one of you. To upgrade to 3G would be nice, but since I'm sure GPS will be forced upon us, I won't get to benefit. Oh well.
 
hi im new here, and I am a big Apple supporter. The one thing thats driving me crazy right now is what to do with the iPhone. I mean now you can get them for $250 refurbished! The only thing holding me back is the fact there is an "unknown" factor in the second gen iPhone, in hardware and network capabilities. Its such a hard decision to make. Not only that, but what if I wait all this time and then plans change in AT&T? I am considering selling my touch, but if I have to wait until the holidays to get a second gen iPhone forget selling it. As of now, my best guess is like what many think, a release/announcement sooner rather than later. I would say it would be out by late summer early fall at the latest, especially since sources point in the direction of Asia getting the phone soon, which would indicate a 3G model. I am as much interested in hardware as the upgrade to 3G, but will I see much of a difference?

If someone could, these are things I would like to get insight on specifically (rumor-wise, lol):
The likelihood of
- a better camera (as in pixels/flash)
- actually seeing a difference in connection speed (obviously it varies where you are, but in general)
- a better resolution screen
- more capacity
- price???

I dont want to see a new phone come out with just an updated 3G network. Id like to see some other new hardware updates as well.

Obviously we do not have many facts to go on, but any insight would be great. I am new to forums and last night read a bunch and I have been wanting to talk about this with others for so long. I had no idea there was this much of a community for this sort of thing. Thanks and sorry if I disappointed all of you watching this thread for new info.
 
If someone could, these are things I would like to get insight on specifically:
The likelihood of
- a better camera (as in pixels/flash)
- actually seeing a difference in connection speed (obviously it varies where you are, but in general)
- a better resolution screen
- more capacity
- price???

No worries about joining in the debate :)
Whilst you could simply bolt upgraded components in, there will be certain constraints until you start upgrading other parts in the phone. Due to this, there well may be additional hardware perks linked in to 3G capability, such as a higher resolution camera capability than currently. Will it be Samsung's ARM-based S3C6410 (estimate Mass production 2Q 08) Or Broadcomm's BCM21551 (Painfully a 09 estimate currently afaik) Or other? We don't know really...

A higher capacity is pretty much a given - seeing as the new round of baseband/3G System on a chip parts take less space = for the same form factor you have more space for things such as memory (and volume for a Gb is shrinking too).
If you have 3G you'll be likely to see a difference, more likely if it's a decent sized download, rather than a spurt to get a simple website page.

In terms of pricing - It's up for grabs really.
In terms of the screen - possible - they made a big deal of the Nano's screen - I'm sure if they could find a way they'd bump the resolution.
In terms of flash - Xenon maybe. I could see Ives tensing at the mere thought of integrating an LED flash in...
 
Well, like most I would love to hear something soon. Some sort of concrete evidence, FCC, Apple, something. Anyway, I'm excited nonetheless. Its not a matter of if I will get the iPhone, but when. For when I get it dictates the model, and price :/

Instant gratification vs. long-awaited anticipation haha. I can only trust that a second gen on such a revolutionary device will live up to our expectations :)
 
One thing I considered is this:

Apple released the iTunes WiFi store, obviously because downloading music over edge would be ridiculous. When they release the App Store, you'll be able to download apps over wifi or the cell network. For me, a jailbreaker using installer app, i've tried downloading apps over edge, it's a disgrace. I just find it stupid to let iphone customers download apps over both and not music on itunes. That being said, 3G iphone in June with the app store is my prediction.
 
I concur with you, mi hombre. I've been saying this all along; and, it might be absurd to predict it, but it is a legitimate prediction. Also, this legitimate prediction will be proved correct in middle-late June. Hopefully.

I think the iPhone 2 will be out sooner than later. Apple is a horrible cellphone company, why? Cellphones get updated every few weeks, not software updates, HARDWARE! Sidekick 3 has had 3G for how long now? I know I am waiting for 3G, and more space. I think its hurting Apple more than helping not having 3G out right now. And points have been made that other companies will be further ahead then Apple if they wait. Heck Apple is already pretty far behind. So I say April-May latest June.

I do not agree with your statement about Apple Inc. being a terrible cell phone company. Apple is not like LG or Nokia. Apple is a broadband incorporation with regards to their products. Apple did not release 3G not due just to the draining of the battery, but he and his associates knew and believed that they could reach the profit goal with using just EDGE. However anyone looks at them as a cellular company, the bottom line is that it's a strategic, smart way to release a revolutionary product. The software updates are a revolution in itself, and bringing them out once every few months is enough for people to hold over for a new hardware update. Cellular phones do not get updated hardware-wise every couple of weeks; therefore, Apple will not either. I believe the iPhone will be released sometime in June, latest August. June is more of a probable, rational prediction due to the SDK release. However, debates and controversies will rise about the reason why Apple would release it parallel with SDK. The time will come when the time comes; I am just waiting very patiently for it.
 
One thing I considered is this:

Apple released the iTunes WiFi store, obviously because downloading music over edge would be ridiculous. When they release the App Store, you'll be able to download apps over wifi or the cell network. For me, a jailbreaker using installer app, i've tried downloading apps over edge, it's a disgrace. I just find it stupid to let iphone customers download apps over both and not music on itunes. That being said, 3G iphone in June with the app store is my prediction.

I hadn't thought of this before but this is a very good point! I also think at this point there are a whole lot of annecdotal signs pointing to a new iPhone coming in June. Probably announced at WWDC and available the last week of June. Here's to hoping, because I have been waiting since last January to get one of these guys! :)
 
Tadros86 said:
I think the iPhone 2 will be out sooner than later. Apple is a horrible cellphone company, why? Cellphones get updated every few weeks, not software updates, HARDWARE! Sidekick 3 has had 3G for how long now? I know I am waiting for 3G, and more space. I think its hurting Apple more than helping not having 3G out right now. And points have been made that other companies will be further ahead then Apple if they wait. Heck Apple is already pretty far behind. So I say April-May latest June.

I think that Apple has a different style than say Nokia or Motorola etc. Apple does a few things well, and does this specifically: puts a few products out in areas of their choice, refines them and updates them, and creates product lines around.

The refresh rate for any particular model in say Nokia's range isn't weeks, but months (e.g. the launch of the N95, and it's successor the N96)

Seeing as currently there is only 1 style of iPhone (there's no iPhone Nano/Clamshell/tablet etc) refreshes have currently been bumps in capacity 8Gb-> 16Gb ->-> 32Gb soon

Painful though it is, Apple did get it right to not have 3G in at the start- the baseband chips were just to much of a hog for the kind of use they'd go through. Also it has to be remembered that they paved the way to an extent in terms of contracts with the networks, and a 3G iPhone will spark a huge data usage and data plans for this I'd imagine will start looking more like low end broadband connections than a few Mb data plan. How do you do a reasonable "All you can eat" data plan, if the customers suddenly were able to eat 5 times as fast, and eat say 20 times more? Apple will at some point soon have to crack that problem.


Apple did not release 3G not due just to the draining of the battery, but he and his associates knew and believed that they could reach the profit goal with using just EDGE. However anyone looks at them as a cellular company, the bottom line is that it's a strategic, smart way to release a revolutionary product. The software updates are a revolution in itself, and bringing them out once every few months is enough for people to hold over for a new hardware update. Cellular phones do not get updated hardware-wise every couple of weeks; therefore, Apple will not either. <Snip> The time will come when the time comes; I am just waiting very patiently for it.

They've reached it so far, but it might be below expectations, as tech savvy users are aware of the value of 3G. Unfortunately, I know of no decent polling of people (O2 could easily do an exit poll from the shop of customers) to show the level of knowledge, and the reasons for purchase or in this case non-purchase due to lack of 3G.
I'd agree that Apple's had to do a lot of strategic decisions. As Ford I think was quoted “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” Apple does things like enforcing no background usage of applications, so the phone is usable and doesn't drain due to programmers' resource greed.

Apple is breaking new ground, and they need time to do it. Popping a 3G chip in aint hard, it'll give them physical space. Whether they will wait a bit longer to have other components to pop in there is another matter.
 
I wasn't being completely serious with what I said haha. Sidekicks get upgraded like what once a year? iPhones gonna be year old in June, hence I think it'd be perfect time to update it. I didn't think I'd want an iPhone when it first came out, but after seeing all these new features I def changed my mind, I would like at least a 32GB option and 3G before I dive in though as I have about 30 GB of music and I love surfin the web. To my knowledge iPhone is supposed to pride itself on its internet and not having 3G is umm not flying for me lolol I would even like to see a 64GB, I would def jump on that, but I dunno how the flash chips are doing in heat and power consumtion and size. I don't follow that. Video option would def be awesome, and better camera would too, even though, iPhone already has the best camera I've seen in a cell phone. Games, aside from iPod designed games I don't see it happening any time soon, but one can dream. I still stand behind what I said about the release date being in the next few months. Sure software updates are basically like updating the phone, but hardware needs some updates every year at least. That's my two cents.
 
so i have another question for someone willing to answer...

what does everyone think the likelihood of at&t charging more for the 3g iPhone? I am on a family plan so minutes are taken care of and I only have to pay $20 a month on top of the plan to run the current iPhone. Does anyone see that price going way up?
 
Their revenue would drop sharp is they did that. Just because a carrier is changing speeds of their phone does not mean they'll charge more on top of what they're charging now. It'll be the same exact price, but the hardware might be something different.
 
3G - Not bothered

Im currently running an 8GB iPhone on O2 UK (jailbroken and unlocked for usage in Ireland too). I've had five different 3G handsets, two Nokias and two sony ericssons and a motorola. 3G was marketed as being great for downloads and video calling. I used video calling twice in 4 years. The connectivity of these handsets was so limited by the networks it was useless.

My iPhone on the other hand is fantastic. Its not blisteringly fast, but I promise you its faster than I have experienced on 3G. The awful thing about 3G is many networks will not allow you to fall back on GPRS/EDGE, which they should do. This is from my experience on numerous networks in Ireland and the UK. At the end of the day iPhone is not a replacement for your laptop or desktop, its fantastic on the move though and wi-fi is far, far more powerful then 3G will ever be.

Seriously, I dont fell like I am missing anything by not having 3G capability.
 
Seriously, I dont fell like I am missing anything by not having 3G capability.

True, 3G capability might not affect everyone that much - they won't necessarily suddenly feel they've got blistering data speeds.

However - By upgrading components to get 3G, on the back of this, the native and potential capability of the iPhone goes up - If they want to Apple could put a better camera in, provide video recording and so on.
I'm sure people would enjoy the capability of video recording. Having used qik a bit - the potential to simply hit private/public record, stream that out, publish your video to qik, kyte, mogulus, youtube - it'd be a great tool in giving the ease of use and power of making your own media, and sharing.
The potential is big, and this is just one use
- Sports training, Scoble style interviews, add a mike and you could do voice only interviews and so on.

The SDK provides potential, upgrades to the hardware expand this.
 
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