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So now the June date is Front page :)
Ain't nothing wrong with them taking there time, but rehashing old stories is a bit lame (that and not giving a decent background).

Anyhow, is good reading after being away for a few days.

Anyone who said it would be late this year or next fancy commenting?

3G def, GPS def (doesn't have to be integrated - Apple could easily do a iPhone certified GPS dongle sale strategy), new screen.

10 weeks to go...
 
WWDC should be very interesting

3G iPhone
2.0 iPhone Firmareware release
SDK Official release

Things lookin really good!
 
So now the June date is Front page :)
Ain't nothing wrong with them taking there time, but rehashing old stories is a bit lame (that and not giving a decent background).

Anyhow, is good reading after being away for a few days.

Anyone who said it would be late this year or next fancy commenting?

3G def, GPS def (doesn't have to be integrated - Apple could easily do a iPhone certified GPS dongle sale strategy), new screen.

10 weeks to go...

I've got a question that has been perplexing me after reading about continued battery problems plaguing the Blackberry 9000...supposedly they can't get battery life above 4 hours of talk time and 2 hours of even wi-fi browsing on the 3g handset.

Same problem of course prevented apple from launching the Iphone with 3g--battery life.

So my big question is, i've had a sprint treo 700P with 3g (CDMA of course) now for 2 years and the battery life is 4+ hours. How is it that is so hard for these guys to have 3g 2-3 years later?

Is it they are laying on WiFi so that drains power? If so, why don't these guys just have 3g Data+ GPS and forget about the Wifi.

Is it that CDMA has better chipsets? If so, then they would have just picked Verizon or Sprint for the Iphone and why not Bbery have 3g models with big screens etc on Cdma carriers.

-----------> Obviously a guy who needs a cool new phone and can't wait to get a 3g iphone
 
I've got a question that has been perplexing me after reading about continued battery problems plaguing the Blackberry 9000...supposedly they can't get battery life above 4 hours of talk time and 2 hours of even wi-fi browsing on the 3g handset. <snip> So my big question is, i've had a sprint treo 700P with 3g (CDMA of course) now for 2 years and the battery life is 4+ hours. How is it that is so hard for these guys to have 3g 2-3 years later?

Battery size/strength,3G data rate, 3G usage, signal strength, level of signal boosting... Mostly down to what you're doing with it and for how long I imagine.


Just a side thought about the current shortages: Apple's giving stock preferentially to co-distributors (your AT&T, O2, Carphone Warehouse etc).
What I imagine is happening (bar Easter bad stocking) is a slow down in production. As the overhead between amount shipping and demand gets narrower, there are more delays in getting the iPhones out to the customers.
Apple doesn't want excess v1 stock when it announces the new version - they want to have just enough to tide over to sell to those who want to buy between the announcement and the new phone shipping.
 
So now the June date is Front page :)
Ain't nothing wrong with them taking there time, but rehashing old stories is a bit lame (that and not giving a decent background).

Anyhow, is good reading after being away for a few days.

Anyone who said it would be late this year or next fancy commenting?

3G def, GPS def (doesn't have to be integrated - Apple could easily do a iPhone certified GPS dongle sale strategy), new screen.

10 weeks to go...

has the date been confirmed??
 
has the date been confirmed??

When you feel the ground moving on any given Tuesday - that's the Apple fanboys jumping up and down in glee...


"an AT&T lunch, and AT&T Mobility CEO Ralph de la Vega just dropped some meaty bits. He had mentioned earlier in the event that he expected all of their smart integrated devices to be 3G in the next couple months. Sascha Segan from PC Mag asked it that included the iPhone. De la Vega responded, "Let me repeat what I said: I think that you're going to see our integrated devices be 3G devices in the not-too-distant future, and I mean months. That should be clear enough." Cue fanboy 3G fever! [Giz at CTIA 2008]"
 
I've got a question that has been perplexing me after reading about continued battery problems plaguing the Blackberry 9000...supposedly they can't get battery life above 4 hours of talk time and 2 hours of even wi-fi browsing on the 3g handset.

Same problem of course prevented apple from launching the Iphone with 3g--battery life.

So my big question is, i've had a sprint treo 700P with 3g (CDMA of course) now for 2 years and the battery life is 4+ hours. How is it that is so hard for these guys to have 3g 2-3 years later?

Is it they are laying on WiFi so that drains power? If so, why don't these guys just have 3g Data+ GPS and forget about the Wifi.

Is it that CDMA has better chipsets? If so, then they would have just picked Verizon or Sprint for the Iphone and why not Bbery have 3g models with big screens etc on Cdma carriers.

Sprint doesn't have extensive coverage across America and Apple offered the iPhone to Verizon, who rejected it because they didn't want to comply with Apple's terms.

I think the full screen also takes up quite a bit of battery, even with the autobrightness.

WiFi is faster than 3G and is useful if it's available.

Also, battery drain is more critical for the iPhone, since you can't swap out a battery for a spare one or anything like that in an emergency.
 
So what's coming alongside the new iPhone?

So we might have:
- iTunes written in Cocoa.
- Serious use of Core Animation in programs?
- A sneak peek at the new OS XI?
- SDK Goodness (suprise GPS info, LBS from Google)


More specifically for the iPhone
- GPS car charger/holders
- GPS dongles
- New accessories if there's a shape change
-Apps...
 
Wirelessly posted (NokiaN73-1/4.0726.2.0.1 Series60/3.0 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1)

So with Walt giving a 60 day timer i.e. after the keynote in early June 2Q looks a good bet now :)
will analyse more when i have net access
 
T - >8 weeks?

The front page refuting the FCC myth provides some more interesting possibilities -
If Apple needs 6-8 weeks for FCC ruling - we could hear an announcement some time round 28th April, if it was a 9th June release date to the shops.

Apple is having a Q2 Earnings Call a few days before (April 23rd), and also it seems that Apple hasn't made any significant order for flash NAND yet this year. Their order would be a big clue as to their expected size order of Touchs and new iPhones. Investors have a right to ask some specific questions in terms of shortages, short term forecasts of sales, new models, lack of 3G chips etc. Would Apple want to make an announcement *before then* ?

The scarcity of iPhones in some locations in the US is interesting, and from what I gather, it's like Apple is stuck in a catch 22 - Overseas (including grey market sales) are showing large demand for the iPhone. Apple had previously been put down as tapering off production coming up to June - it seems they got the estimate of demand out a bit. In all fairness to them - it took Apple years before they were shipping iPods in the sorts of numbers they've been shipping iPhones.Channel inventory management aside - if they were tapering off, the margins for error get tighter, and it's harder to move stock around shops rather than just order more in to the specific depleted stock rooms.

Those saying that a 3G iPhone buzz would tamper sales seem to be being proven wrong. Apple could easily ship earlier (use the NAND in hand so to speak for a small May run, then have the new NAND order in May, to bulk ship in June)...

The anticipation's better than for Christmas :D
 
This might have already have been mentioned elsewhere, but I thought it might be worth bringing up (it's a slow Easter).

Infineon's already got the baseband chip in the current iPHone. They've got a 7 year non-exclusive licence with Apple that covers 3G. Their chip that'd most likely upgrade their current baseband chip is the S-Gold (which was sampling in Feb 2006).
(The X-GOLDTM 608 = PMB 8878 = S-Gold 3H)

"The S-GOLD3H is the heart of Infineon's next-generation mobile multimedia platform, which is called MP-EH, supporting HSDPA data rates of up to 7.2Mbps. Other components of the MP-EH are a power management chip SM-Power3; an RF transceiver SMARTi 3GE; a six-band WCDMA and quad-band EDGE RF transceiver; a Bluemoon UniCellular chip for Bluetooth connectivity; an assisted GPS positioning single-chip named Hammerhead; and a WLAN low power chip dubbed Wildcard LP. The S-GOLD3H supports GSM, EDGE, GPRS and WCDMA cellular networks.

FWIW, Zibri (www.ziphone.org) has seen code for this chip in the latest 1.2 beta

http://i27.tinypic.com/15o759x.png

sorry if already posted
 
3 Countries recieve current iPhone in March add 2 Months = May
Steve announces iPhone 2 June 9th, add 6-8 weeks (FCC) = August
Release of SDK 2.0 and App Store end of June, add 2 Months to let newness wear off and more sales of current iPhone, empties current stock = August

If another country recieves the current iPhone add another 2 months (believe there is one that was just announced but cant remember who)

Soonest release August
I still predict October for the Xmas Holiday Season

There will NOT be GPS, Flash or MMS on iPhone 2 (IMO)
 

Thanks for posting... that was an interesting read, especially this part:

"Another reason to guess earlier are a series of whispers floating around Silicon Valley, often attributed to Cupertino sources. Three times in the past week I’ve heard that faint buzz. “It’s coming sooner.” The source of one of the three claims cited direct conversations with engineers involved in the project. So… April? May? June? …. Sooner than later seems to be the best bet of the moment."

This is my belief lately too, that they are going to release it before June. It just seems like everything is starting to point to an imminent release, but it is too soon for things like stock to be drying up if they are waiting until June.
 
i read the details of this chip; based on that, in ver.2 we will get:

bluetooth stereo headphones.
improved camera, 5mp???
video recording
& better video playback (HD)
better/more_eff/fast multitasking
more resolution on screen
and min. capacity: 16GB

& of course
faster net access

black phone will 'be' little bigger then v1, but wont look so.
 
Engadget is picking up on the new iPhone leaked baseband chip code

To qoute the article and the developments:

"The folks at ZiPhone spotted some code in the brand new 2.0 beta iPhone firmware that could point to the chip to be used in the upcoming 3G iPhone. The code makes mention of "SGOLD3," which could very well refer to Infineon's followup chip to the S-GOLD2 which powers the current iPhone. Infineon's less fancy name for the S-GOLD3H chip is the PMB8878, a 7.2Mbps HSDPA chip with all the video acceleration and media playback features iPhone users have come to expect. Advantages over its predecessor include higher resolution camera support (5 megapixels instead of 2), a 2x speed MMC / SD interface and DVB-H module support, but that doesn't necessarily mean any of those specs will end up in the ensuing iPhone 3G -- S-GOLD2 has plenty of features the current iPhone doesn't take advantage of. The processor speed, however, remains the same."
http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/08/iphone-3gs-baseband-chip-revealed/

Just talked about that in my pervious thread

Word for word.

Also I wrote in my thread that Rogers just announced today that it gonna roll out Canada's next generation wireless network in Halifax and Moncton to become the first cities in the Western Hemisphere to commercially offer 7.2 Mbps wireless services, making mobile download speeds the fastest in the country and in the top 5% worldwide. Expected to expand soon.
http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/a.../08/c3210.html

Suspicious smoke leads to a fire in June? You think so or is this just more speculation :confused:
 
More pointers to June
No Flash order yet this year
Interestingly, China, which is presumably a potentially huge (grey) market wouldn't be using the iPhone as much for the internet (due to the Great Chinese firewall...) but other reasons (interface, other functionality).

Infineon's most probably got the deal for v2.0 hardware iPhone
Courtesy of ZiPhone. http://i27.tinypic.com/15o759x.png shows it isn't a slip up or typo- it's pointing to the SGold2 in the line above.
It's what you'd expect - if they were to have the SGold 3, you'd have to distinguish between them as they have different capabilities.

It'll be interesting to see if any capabilities of the original phones "come online" (Video recording for example).


The X-GOLDTM 608 = PMB 8878 = S-Gold 3H
As said before, the Infineon mobile multimedia platform (MP-EH) supports:
Bluetooth stereo headphones.
Camera up to 5Mp
Video recording
Imprved video playback
A higher resolution screen (OLED ftw)
HSDPA data rates of up to 7.2Mbps
GSM, EDGE, GPRS and WCDMA cellular networks
Power management chip SM-Power3
RF transceiver SMARTi 3GE
Six-band WCDMA and quad-band EDGE RF transceiver
Bluemoon UniCellular chip for Bluetooth
Assisted-GPS positioning single-chip named Hammerhead
WLAN low power chip dubbed Wildcard LP
 
June... July... August?

I have a couple of "connected" tech friends in the industry and one friend told me that as of about 10 days ago or so, regarding the motherboard for the iPhone hardware version 2, "the chips haven't been taped out yet" and that they were supposed to have gotten it done around that time (beginning of April). Once the chips are taped out and burned (presumably now completed) they have to test them, sign off on them, manufacture them, design and create the packaging for the chip, finalize design on the iPhone, then start actual production. According to my friend, Steve Jobs still wants this done by the end of June. However, based upon any realistic laws of production cycles and realistic expectations, August looks much more realistic for a release date.

I would expect an announcement of iPhone hardware version 2 at WWDC and the actual release a couple of months later.
 
With such an unexpectedly strong grey market for the current iPhone, I don't that will impact too much. Bar the steam produced from some fan boys ;)
Would the chips have been under contract to be made at a certain point? If it's late its late I guess that'd give the US some more time to get along with upgrading from EDGE...
It's not unreasonable there could be a hitch - if the v1 iPhone's history is any indication - they were slamming doors, and pulling teeth/hair on that right till it was demoed. All Steve Jobs has to do is change Shipping Now to Shipping in ... x Weeks. Heck, both Leopard and the SDK were put out slightly after initial expectations. Sooner the better for customer and Apple I imagine.
 
I'm hear, just not wanting to get the wrath of macrumor staff by having too many consecutive posts without good reason. They might see it as bumping this thread.

It's been quiet really - O2's price cut, the Germany deal - they're trying to get rid of 8Gb stock. Apple's sold it on to them in bulk, and I guess they knew they were against the clock before 16 and 32Gb become the de facto iPhone sizes.
An announcement of the next iPhone by June 10th is *very* likely (90%)
The likelihood of shipping in quantity goes up pretty fast as the days move on from late June to July.

As for me i've been looking at the iPhone's SDK, and believe me, it's impressive. More later :)

Edit - Vinom hasn't got back to me to clarify his above statement.
But reread page 6 - Infineon's stated position at the time of their most recent earnings call:

e.g.
"I can announce today that we will begin shipments of our X-GOLD 208 90 nanometer base band formally called the s-Gold 3 to LG in the first half of 2008"
"You will see that we will be announcing also next generation platform for HSDPA, HSUPA for the first half of this year. And as already mentioned the ramp up of the HSDPA platform we expect to happen in the first half of this calendar year. So I think this is good prediction and this will certainly be one...more than one customer ramping the HSDPA platform"

Well, till another update - i'll leave you with a quote i heard on the radio. I didn't catch the exact wording, but its sentiment was that people can sometimes undervalue new technology as they judge it through the lens of the current paradigms. Will see if i can dig out the quote I wrote down.

One example - Bonjour networking. Available to every iPhone application available to connect to nearby iPhones running the app. Now far be it for me to say that means Jobs would let illegal music sharing. So lets imagine the possibilities of being able to automatically share music you've rated 5 that doesn't have DRM on. And to receive tunes rated 5 by other people. Matt Drance is sliiiightly scary, but it was worth watching that particular video...
 
3 Countries recieve current iPhone in March add 2 Months = May
Steve announces iPhone 2 June 9th, add 6-8 weeks (FCC) = August
Release of SDK 2.0 and App Store end of June, add 2 Months to let newness wear off and more sales of current iPhone, empties current stock = August

If another country recieves the current iPhone add another 2 months (believe there is one that was just announced but cant remember who)

Soonest release August
I still predict October for the Xmas Holiday Season

There will NOT be GPS, Flash or MMS on iPhone 2 (IMO)

sorry but your opinion fails to take in consideration the target of at least 10 mil units to be sold this year. Any delay and the stock price will fall

this is very important for shareholders as it will drive price up... SJ knows this and the main purpose of a business is to make $$$ for the shareholders.

you are simply just speculating based on info pulled out of air. no personal knowledge no hard data... sorry to burst your bubble there, but the iphone will come a lot sooner taking in consideration what i said above
 
From 9to5mac:
"The Apple news web's still reeling at the lack of any big deal announcements from the mothership Tuesday, this blackout likely reflects the company's customary radio silence in the days before it makes its quarterly financial results public (on 23 April). "

The quarterly will probably spill some beans. But if it would, you've always got the 22 April, a Tuesday to announce other things (not everythings Tuesday related I know).

Hopefully some pertinent questions will come. FLASH purchases, expected and delivered iPhone sales, 3G plans, new model plans etc etc.

It's background busy at the moment i'd say - the number of product lines overdue a refresh is growing to a large number, you've got very frequent developer builds hinting an update to Leopard, you've got the quiet announcement that Apple is collaborating with Nike still (which is a huge thing in my book - Nike's been very quiet since Nike+ in relation to Apple), you've got Webkit hitting a 100% Acid test score (and it rocks in terms of speed (3x faster on Safari on a PC than on my copy of Firefox in terms of some test scores)) that'll wind it's way to the iPhone 2.0 and give lots more animation capabilities that are easy to code.
The number of Apple employees working on touch has been steadily expanding - is the lack of a refresh of monitors a portent to something? http://blogs.zdnet.com/Apple/?p=1569
There was a job listing for handwriting recognition (hint to iTablet, and possible stylus interaction?).
Other moves afoot include work towards a possible significant strategic acquisition or acquisitions, suggested by the hire of HP's leading legal corporate buyout specialist, Charles Charnas to lead its corporate epartment, filling a role that hasn't been occupied for 7 years. He'll oversee Apple's intellectual property and strategic acquisitions. (he led the $25 billion merger between Compaq and HP.) (and no it ain't Dell in the sights). Another sign of work in the background by Apple is the no-show at NAB. Apple might be hamstrung by Intel's public timeframes, but it makes all the rest it can.
It might be in a slightly unexpected way - just as Fingerworks brought in a fair deal of patents, Apple might want to carve out an IP section of the market. Gates hints Microsofts definitely going and making a strong voice based system. The possibilities that developers have through the SDK is amazing - (and also cool to see how it all works through vieiwing some of the demos' code). The positive halo the SDK will bring will be large, if it's secure and the signed app system works. Through the Interface Builder you could do a huge amount of groundwork for your own personal app - and easily open it up for collaborative coding (though I haven't seen the group management side of Xcode etc, the creation of savepoints seems very useful).

I need to check my agreement/NDA through using the ADC developer stuff for the iPhone. I'd recommend actually signing up just to have a look at the materials - a lot of people for example were unsure why it took so long to get out the SDK (or not have the Interface Builder from day 1) or why Apple said no background apps - if you look at the video guides, they give good reasons for it - it's all very well documented, and the support (technical guides, help, actual programs available (e.g. debugger, realtime analysis of your app etc) are good.
 
It's fun to sidetrack from the thread's title, but here's a predictive view of the Buyer's Guide - if there weren't refreshes before June 9/10th:


On June 10th (~55 odd days away)
Days Since Update
iPod classic 224+55= 279 (Avg = 238)
iPod touch 71+55= 126 (Avg = 153)
iPod nano 224+55= 279 (Avg = 268)
Mac mini 253+55= 305 (Avg = 188)
iMac 253+55= 305 (Avg = 205)
iPhone 71=55= 126 (Avg = 111)
LCDs 378+55= 433 (Avg = 230)

Thinking more about apps on the iPhone - although they are billed to be able to used in a quick manner - I'd imagine Apple is having to work out what to do about what could be a greater usage and greater demand on the battery life of the iPhone.

Macsteins recent rumour of diversification of the iPhone line up is not really a rumour - it's pretty much accepted there will be a broadening of the choices of iPhone. Would a 3G iPhone need to be bigger to conceal a larger battery to deal with 3G?

I kinda scoff at the thought of 3G being seen as a "premium model" option though.


In other news - When did Apple sign up United Microelectronics Corporation (UMC) to create the Infineon 3G baseband chip?

"Later reports confirm the company has been asked to produce Infineon Technologies' 3G baseband chip, which will be used in the new Apple iPhone that supports 3G."
Asked to produce now, rather than producing them full tilt now ? :|
"UMC will be the foundry to produce Infineon Technoloiges' 3G baseband chip, which will be used in the new Apple iPhone that supports 3G, according to a Chinese-language Economic Daily News (EDN) report. The baseband chip (PMB878) will be fabricated on UMC's 65nm process node. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (TSMC) was the foundry partner for Infineon for the baseband chip used in the first-generation iPhone, the paper noted.

In other news, 3G handsets surpass half of US device sales in 3Q07, says Strategy Analytics. Compare that to ~100% in Japan.

Google's move to add video seems to show they are wanting to bolster there map system (living in England, I still use the maps.google.com not the .co.uk version). Why not throw in A-GPS direction support? The cries for hands free dialling must be ever loud, and

In the WWDC - The Audio Development for iPhone track promises to show developers how to make their applications record audio with their device. I'm guessing throwing in one for video would give the game away... As I said, bonjour support for the iPhone could be used as a wireless iPod communication system. And lots more. Those apps that show you if someone with similar interests walks past could be made to actually work. All sorts... The potential has been broadened from the capabilities and man hours of the Apple app developers, to the capabilities, creativity and man hours of the whole SDK Apple app user pool - i.e. Letting people be their own app developer is going to be hugely useful for Apple (I've probably already said, but it bares repeating). Brand loyalty, brand strength, app diversity and quality all go up.

Digital Lifestyle Outfitters (DLO) have introduced VentMount, a new dashboard mounting case for the iPhone and iPod touch.

The VentMount rotates horizontally and vertically, and provides access to the side controls and the dock connector. It also operates as a belt clip when it’s removed from your automobile. And it can function as a locking desktop stand so you can view videos using the device on any flat surface.

Dashboard mounting. We wonder...

Quicdo Uk deal: O2 have dropped the price on the 8GB model £100 today from £269 to £169. Quicdco do £100 Quidco cashback for the next few days. (only on connected contracts). They sure do want to get people signed up and those 8Gb models out of the door.

Presumably you could use the accelerometers to actually map where an iPhone was in 3 dimensional space with some accuracy, if you started from a fixed point? If you track the acceleration and time, and thus the speed, in 3 dimensions, wouldn't that give it to you?

of acceleration and the
 
"Later reports confirm the company has been asked to produce Infineon Technologies' 3G baseband chip, which will be used in the new Apple iPhone that supports 3G."
Asked to produce now, rather than producing them full tilt now ? :|

I wondered about that too. Surely if they were going to do a release in June the board would be ready to roll by now. Makes me wonder if June is a bit too eager of a date.

Damn...I have been holding out with a crappy free Nokia from ATT. I don't know how much longer I can stand it.
 
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