Well done, you entirely missed the point!
The RAZR shows that the components for the PHONE part of the iPhone don't have to be really thick.
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Well done, you entirely missed the point!
The RAZR shows that the components for the PHONE part of the iPhone don't have to be really thick.
Plus a number of other features.
The word 'better' is subjective - neither is 'better' as such, however the UI on the iPhone is more user friendly and the features set on the N95 more extensive. As for software platform, well that's a silly thing to say - S60v3 is tested, works and has thousands of apps. You can't say that about mobile OSX yet.
You think? I think price, carrier lock, distribtuion and other factors will determine the iPhone's popularity. To assume that it will increase because apps are added which already exist under other OS is a bit naive.
No it won't because Symbian isn't tied to one manufacturer. Mobile OSX will probably achieve the same minor niche that full scale OSX does for exactly the same reasons.
Again wrong. Nokia make a number of devices including over twenty smartphones catering to all segments - i.e. those who want a touchpad, those who want a keyboard, those who want QWERTY with different feature sets and pricing options. The iPhone is just for one user segment at present.
I think you're underestimating Nokia and SE here.
You do realise that Symbian and WM continue to evolve, right? Your assumptions are based on them remaining static which again is naive.
You misunderstand. In the markets in which Nokia has significant presence it has already killed the iPhone. Sales volumes will tell you that - the iPhone's SDK is a case of jam tomorrow, S60v3 is here today.
I'm sorry, but it's you who doesn't get it because you're applying the requirements of one market segment to the entire market. You're also making spurious assumptions that the SDk will offer somethign that isn't already available which it actually won't.
And there is both Apple's strength and weakness: linked hardware and software. Great for conformity, woeful for versatility and choice.
Apple will remain a niche player in the phone market unless they release a wide range of models with differing features, carrier choice and acceptable pricing.
@sleepingworker - You forgot to check the 3G box.. That coverage in the map you posted is ONLY GSM. The 3G is supposed to be in blue... hold up - Ill post a corrected one:
3G coverage of Seattle, WA, USA in Blue color
Thanks!
Well done, you entirely missed the point!
The RAZR shows that the components for the PHONE part of the iPhone don't have to be really thick.
Nooo, actually you missed HIS point!
The Razor, without even touching on it's flimsy build quality, does not contain a relatively high pixel dense screen and all the internals to power it, nor due to this the larger battery needed to power said screen. Nor does it have other necessary requirement, you're strawman here is Razor = iPhone.
Erm, yeah, okay there buddy. Razor = lackluster cell phone with crummy reception, and trinket technology, I know I had one until it simply broke in my pocket, not the only person that happened to and no, I'm not overweight. iPhone = computer in your pocket. Can the iPhone be made thinner, yes, Razor thin? Don't be delusional, check out various iPhone deconstruction pictures around the web and you'll see, there's little room for miniaturization of many parts to make it thinner, and that's fine for the technology.
I post as a current owner of the Moto Razr (or Razor for those that seem to want to call it that).
I originally enjoyed how thin and well designed this phone was when I bought it (hardware only - not the interface, reception or camera). Now it crashes almost daily and it takes me a lot of will power to not throw it at a wall. I still have an old Sony Ericsson waiting in the wings for when it dies if it's before the release of the 3G iP.
I would never compare the Razr to the iP. One is a phone and the other is a portable Safari device/iPod Touch with a phone. And I look forward to owning the latter.
Would anyone like to buy a barely functioning Razr? Color: worn out silver.
I originally enjoyed how thin and well designed this phone was when I bought it (hardware only - not the interface, reception or camera). Now it crashes almost daily and it takes me a lot of will power to not throw it at a wall. I still have an old Sony Ericsson waiting in the wings for when it dies if it's before the release of the 3G iP.
I would never compare the Razr to the iP. One is a phone and the other is a portable Safari device/iPod Touch with a phone. And I look forward to owning the latter.
Would anyone like to buy a barely functioning Razr? Color: worn out silver.
Will 3G bring AT&T PTT like Treo 680 & Centro?!
Will the 3G iPhone finally bring AT&T PTT (Push To Talk) like the Treo 680 & Centro have had since last year?!
Let's hope so!
http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/treo680update/att.html
Push to Talk With Push to Talk, you can use your Treo 680 like a walkie-talkie to talk to one person or a group of up to 29. A quick glance at your smartphone shows whether family, friends, and coworkers are available to talk before you call.
Will the 3G iPhone finally bring AT&T PTT (Push To Talk) like the Treo 680 & Centro have had since last year?!
Let's hope so!
http://www.palm.com/us/support/downloads/treo680update/att.html
Push to Talk With Push to Talk, you can use your Treo 680 like a walkie-talkie to talk to one person or a group of up to 29. A quick glance at your smartphone shows whether family, friends, and coworkers are available to talk before you call.
Anyone hear any rumors of whether or not the 3G iPhone redesign will incorporate a BETTER headphone jack? Perhaps one that will accept the current crop of high-end IEMs (e.g. Westone, Ultimate Ears, etc)?
YEAH BONGOBANGER
there are people in this forum who understands me.
dont get it wrong i love my iphone but it could be so much better.
many people love itunes but i just hate the restrictions.
why cant i just drag and drop some data and use my iphone as usb stick without using third apps. any other phone or mp3 can do this.
as well u guys are overestimating the iphone so much.
just because its fun to play with the iphone it doesnt make it great regarding the technology.
the touchpad is a nice feature but lacking 3g, high solution camera(s), battery lifetime etc. makes the iphone just average.
and the iphone software right now is so much worse than the functions my nokia 6110 had. i cant turn off the tone of the numberpad without turning the whole phones tones off... wtf
isnt it redicilous that the camera cant take videos or shoot black and white photos?
people who only praises apple allows that company to mess with u... and nothing will be better because apple knows that u will buy it anyway.
way to go apple
looking forward for firmware 2.0
btw the iphone had a major impact on the market but it will never turn out to be a major player in this game.
do u think an average adult knows and wants to deal with the whole unlocking thing? or have the money to make such a contract?
there are people in this forum who understands me.
dont get it wrong i love my iphone but it could be so much better.
many people love itunes but i just hate the restrictions.
why cant i just drag and drop some data and use my iphone as usb stick without using third apps. any other phone or mp3 can do this.
as well u guys are overestimating the iphone so much.
just because its fun to play with the iphone it doesnt make it great regarding the technology.
the touchpad is a nice feature but lacking 3g, high solution camera(s), battery lifetime etc. makes the iphone just average.
and the iphone software right now is so much worse than the functions my nokia 6110 had. i cant turn off the tone of the numberpad without turning the whole phones tones off... wtf
isnt it redicilous that the camera cant take videos or shoot black and white photos?
people who only praises apple allows that company to mess with u... and nothing will be better because apple knows that u will buy it anyway.
way to go apple
looking forward for firmware 2.0
btw the iphone had a major impact on the market but it will never turn out to be a major player in this game.
do u think an average adult knows and wants to deal with the whole unlocking thing? or have the money to make such a contract?
And there are also many that don't. Some of your complaints are valid, but most are petty in my opinionand that of others on this forum and others that I know personally.
You can't drag and drop onto it. Yeah, that's a drag.
You can't turn off keypad tone without turning off the phone tone? So what? You dial with the keypad how many times versus dialing by contact? It seems to me that if you're in an area that requires silence, you silence the whole phone, and if you're not you don't. Yeah, it's nice to have the option, but it's not really a useful option. I'd rather them not spend time implementing that and instead making copy and paste workas well as actually being able to cut on OS X.
It's not really ridiculous that the camera can't shoot in black and white, especially since you can do it yourself later and still maintain the color data. Besides, black and white is usually considered artistic, and people who use their phone to take "artistic" pictures are not artistic. I'm artistic. I have a 20D.
It's not ridiculous that it can't shoot video, especially since there's no way to upload that kind of information from a current iPhone. And the resolution deal has been mentioned over and over. What matters is optics, not sensor pixel count. It's an iPhone, not an iCamera.
Obviously, even knowing the limitations, you bought it anyway. Or you didn't research it first. Your last statement baffles me. It had a major market impact but won't be a major market player? That doesn't make sense. First off, and correct me if I'm wrong, isn't it the best selling phonenot even smartphoneever made? I think the second version will help it to be an even better seller.
The average adult doesn't want to deal with the unlocking thing, and probably doesn't know why people do it or, more importantly, why it's done. I know all about it, and I've never had to do it. That's probably also because AT&T has always carried the phones I wanted. Still, the majority of people who want the iPhone will switch to AT&T. I don't see how unlocking is really relevant.
As for the money for the contract, it's only $20 more that a regular contract. That's not a huge jumpit's a dollar per business day. If you can afford the phone, you can afford the contract. Most people don't own a smartphone. Most people don't own phones that cost anything but signing a contract. Apple isn't out to get everyone with the iPhone. It's trying to beat the smartphone market, and it's already starting to win.
It really depends on the 3G and what the WiFi is connected to. If the 3G happens to be HSDPA 7.2Mbps, and the WiFi is connected to 7Mbps cable, they'll be similar. It's easier to get a signal over WiFi with less overhead, so it might still be slightly faster but, as you rarely connect to a site at full speed, you probably won't notice.
AT&T is probably up to 3.6Mbps in some areas, so it'll be a while before it catches up. Unless, of course, you're WiFi is connected to a 1Mbps or 3Mbps source.
So as you can see, that's really comparing apples to orangesand some of them are rotten but you don't know it.
Wow
Have you always been this optomistic?
Have you always been this optomistic?
First of all,
You are nuts to think the price would actually drop! That is CRAZY! Even though the price on flash memory has dropped, prices will either stay or most likely rise, even with a RECESSION! Second, any iPhone will never be slimmer than the iPod Touch, since phone capabilities are almost impossible to get that thin, and be expected to function as flawlessly as Apple demands, no chance on either of these matters, SORRY!
Oh, and AT&T will likely raise data connection prices for 3G, because running EDGE versus 3G bandwidths is quite a bit more expensive!
If you are going to enter a back-and-forth between two other people, please read BOTH ORIGINAL POSTS in context so what you write is relevant. Your entire post is basically criticism for having a narrow focus on the segment in which the iPhone competes.
If you actually read the original post I was replying to, you would see that the poster was referring ONLY to the merits of the Nokia N95 vs the iPhone! We were NOT discussing the greater market of cellphone competition. Even when I mentioned the other players in the market and their flaws, I was only referring to their attempts to create an "iPhone killer" and otherwise compete in the iPhone's native market, i.e. high-end consumer/media smartphones.
OBVIOUSLY, Nokia, Sony Ericson, Samsung and others are going to maintain a huge volume lead over Apple in total volume sales of cellphones, as it's unlikely Apple will competing at all price points and form factors, in addition to the carrier and country restrictions.
Here is the original post I responded to:
Can we stop there please? Your post was clearly a comparison between phones and you made a number of factually incorrect statements. As I pointed out, the N95 has already killed the iPhone in Europe as sales clearly indicate.
You posted something as fact. I explained why you were wrong. That's all that matters here.
Don't own a iPhone yet, I like many Europeans are waiting for the 3G model this June. I did get the chance to play with one of the latest and greatest NOKIA N-SERIES phones, when my friend got a N81 the other day. It was free with a contract. It has an impressive list of features, as you can see from the link above.
My first impressions were that the build quality on the thing was shockingly bad (one of the buttons was ultra sensitive and the slider felt very flaky) and the UI was appalling. If that's the S60 platform then I'd rather go without. All in all a poor experience. And that was before we battled through installing the NOKIA software on their XP machine. I can't see what some on the forum get so excited about in these N-SERIES phones.
Each to their own I suppose.
My first impressions were that the build quality on the thing was shockingly bad (one of the buttons was ultra sensitive and the slider felt very flaky) and the UI was appalling. If that's the S60 platform then I'd rather go without. All in all a poor experience. And that was before we battled through installing the NOKIA software on their XP machine. I can't see what some on the forum get so excited about in these N-SERIES phones.
Each to their own I suppose.
a bit expensive
I hope prices will drop before the 3g iphone is on the market because I find 499$ a bit expensife for a phone/mp3. They said it would happen mid -April, but it's mid-April, so would the prices drop or not? Thanks!!
I hope prices will drop before the 3g iphone is on the market because I find 499$ a bit expensife for a phone/mp3. They said it would happen mid -April, but it's mid-April, so would the prices drop or not? Thanks!!
I'm hoping it comes out soon, maybe even before June. Today I finally got my phone off of my parent's line and merged with my wife's contract. Of course we also switched to a family plan and lost about 3600 rollover minutes. Oh well, C'est la vie. At least it's cheaper now. Now, come on 3G iPhone!
Last time I checked "industry sources" and secret Apple products had absolutely nothing to do with each other.
Who said that? Unless it was included in an Apple press release, you can probably safely assume that is just a rumor.
The pricing details make sense. First of all, it's rare for Apple to increase a product's price with an update.
Funny, this is exactly what I've been saying would be the case down to the exact detail.
And yet everyone said, "Dat makes no senze! blah blah blah wahaaa."
Of course it does, I wouldn't have said it if it didn't. Its the only business model that makes any sense at all, given the amount of elapse time since release, the pace and price of the iPod touch and other portable storage, etc....
Although I must say I did not predict a $599 32 gb model. I believe its just a bogus rumor and we won't see the 32 gb iPhone for quite a while.
Earliest would be October before Christmas, and it would accompany price reduction across the board. This could be the outlook for October 2008, but not before:
iPhone: 16g/$399
iPhone: 32gb/$499
iPod T: 16 gb/ 299
iPod T: 32 gb/ $399
And yet everyone said, "Dat makes no senze! blah blah blah wahaaa."
Of course it does, I wouldn't have said it if it didn't. Its the only business model that makes any sense at all, given the amount of elapse time since release, the pace and price of the iPod touch and other portable storage, etc....
Although I must say I did not predict a $599 32 gb model. I believe its just a bogus rumor and we won't see the 32 gb iPhone for quite a while.
Earliest would be October before Christmas, and it would accompany price reduction across the board. This could be the outlook for October 2008, but not before:
iPhone: 16g/$399
iPhone: 32gb/$499
iPod T: 16 gb/ 299
iPod T: 32 gb/ $399
I tried to wait for the 3g iPhone while salivating over my buds 16GB model and finally cracked last month and picked one up myself, Blackberry Curve became #2, counting down the days until I can go buy the 3G version. I am waiting for people to start whining as soon as it comes out though, someone will whine about how they just wasted money on the old iPhone purchased the month before, how they deserve a rebate. But then again I guess we cannot expect every joe blow consumer to keep up on all the upcoming iPhone news.......