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$499 Headless iMac?

Freg3000 said:
Unless someone has hacked TS and all of these rumors are just made up.....look out, here comes iWork.

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Not to be a nazi here, but I am the only one that thinks Apple challenging Microsoft in every market possible is a bad idea? Word is the one thing keeping the MS users keen with the Apple users, and is a reason one would consider a mac at work...because the software is compatible with other PCs in the office with Word. I'm sure iWork will be compatible as well, but the public doesn't know that... to them, it's another mac-only program. An extreme option. Apple seems to be doing exactly what MS did with Windows and bundled software. Apple needs to STOP undermining its developers, or it'll be the only company making software for OSX!

What's next??? Apple-made games? Apple-produced music? Apple-made file sharing? Maybe Apple will destroy its long relationship with Aladdin and they'll release iStuff...

I love Apple, but I love them for they're good business practices (among other things, just mentioned for a point) and I HATE MS because of they're poor business practice. Hopefully Apple won't go down that road.
 
macrobay said:
Not to be a nazi here...
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You are not being a nazi.

I too am afraid Apple will start intruding upon the turf of every single third party Mac developer. Microsoft isn't about to get up an leave the Mac market, since a sale of Office is a sale of Office regardless of the platform, but other smaller developers might think it's not worth it to stick around. Heck, Adobe has even left the Mac video market with Premiere and such.

I'm not saying that Apple's solution isn't better (I think FCP is in fact better) but I seriously doubt Apple will be able to make a better product than Microsoft's Office. By better, I don't mean crash less, or look better in OS X, I mean have better compatibility with Office on Windows which is paramount.

I will probably use iWork, but will fear the day when the next third part developer jumps ship.
 
macrobay said:
Not to be a nazi here, but I am the only one that thinks Apple challenging Microsoft in every market possible is a bad idea?
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I generally have felt some of the same things... basically MS is important to the continued success of Apple... at least historically. However over the last year I have come to realize that I hardly ever use any MS products on my Mac system, in fact for the longest time I didn't realize I hadn't yet installed Office on my G5 system. So I think times may be changing (and use office products on a PC at work all of the time).

Of course with that said MS makes a decent chunk of change from Mac office and a market will exist for it as long as office exists in Windows world. I don't see Apple pushing MS out (however MS may use it as an excuse).
 
proteasome said:
Apple has to give people a chance to switch and retain the flexibility of upgrading the hardware (a plus on the PC side).
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I think Apple has already proven that they have learned this lesson and have been moving in that direction. Look at the Powermacs and new iMacs. As more new machines come out, I think the upgradability will be there, and then it's just up to developers to develoip upgrades that work well with the systems.
 
"No, you're wrong. A pretty good Athlon 64 PROCESSOR is closer to 600 dollars than the system would be. Honestly, you can't get a system comparable to a G5 without paying 2,000 or more..."

I'm talking about equivalent to a low-end G5 iMac. A processor or such as this: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-486&DEPA=0 would be about right to compare fairly. You can put together a nice system based on that for $600 or less. Add an LG 1720P 17" DVI LCD (not widescreen but the same size and good looking) for about $320 or so. You can easily have an x86 system comparable to the 17" iMac G5 for about $900 (or less) vs. $1300! You'll also get more RAM, a better video card, a bigger hard drive, and more. Apples are way overpriced, but IMHO the software makes them worth it.

"They argue about specs, price, etc. But there's so much more including design, style, and attention to detail."

That's why you build it yourself and run Linux on it. Use a nice looking monitor (LG's got some fantastic stuff in both quality and looks) and get a plain PC case that you can paint and customize really nicely. You can make a beautiful x86 PC - spray paint and sandpaper are your friends.
 
"Force Quit is another jaw dropper. It simply works, unlike the various Windows task managers."

And it's nothing to do with Apple, it's the underlying BSD kernel. Force quit on Linux also simply works. Half the advantages cited to Mac OS X (which I do love) are due to the BSD kernel and also exist in similar OSes such as Linux.
 
Is there an AMD based all-in-one LCD with similar dimensional specs, weight, etc?

More goes into a system than the raw chipsets.

markie said:
"No, you're wrong. A pretty good Athlon 64 PROCESSOR is closer to 600 dollars than the system would be. Honestly, you can't get a system comparable to a G5 without paying 2,000 or more..."

I'm talking about equivalent to a low-end G5 iMac. A processor or such as this: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewproductdesc.asp?description=19-103-486&DEPA=0 would be about right to compare fairly. You can put together a nice system based on that for $600 or less. Add an LG 1720P 17" DVI LCD (not widescreen but the same size and good looking) for about $320 or so. You can easily have an x86 system comparable to the 17" iMac G5 for about $900 (or less) vs. $1300! You'll also get more RAM, a better video card, a bigger hard drive, and more. Apples are way overpriced, but IMHO the software makes them worth it.

"They argue about specs, price, etc. But there's so much more including design, style, and attention to detail."

That's why you build it yourself and run Linux on it. Use a nice looking monitor (LG's got some fantastic stuff in both quality and looks) and get a plain PC case that you can paint and customize really nicely. You can make a beautiful x86 PC - spray paint and sandpaper are your friends.
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You are aware that the BSD kernel advances have benefited from NeXT and OS X development, considerably, over the past 18 years, right?

markie said:
"Force Quit is another jaw dropper. It simply works, unlike the various Windows task managers."

And it's nothing to do with Apple, it's the underlying BSD kernel. Force quit on Linux also simply works. Half the advantages cited to Mac OS X (which I do love) are due to the BSD kernel and also exist in similar OSes such as Linux.
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I think Apple needs a hot new ad with RuPaul cooing "You better iWork, bitch!"

Over keynote transitions "Cube to the left! Now fade to the right!"

I need to lay off the caffeine.

Regardless, this Keynote is shaping up to be rather fabulous.

I think iWork is LONG overdue, and expect it to be excellent. It is NOT an MS Office competitor.. it is surely a Works package... basic functionality for the everyday user. Not a full-featured business suite. I mean, MS hasn't gone ******* over AppleWorks (then again, AppleWorks is putrid).

Hell, if iLife 05, iWork, and Tiger come bundled with a $499 Mac, it is almost worth it to just buy the new computer instead of upgrading an old computer with all that software! Then just stick it in the living room as a media server.

Apple is one wily little company :)
 
AmericanIdiot12 said:
what about students
i think they make up a large share of the mac-buyers
i know if i had one i would use it all the time and i use my ipod every day
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And students are especially budget conscious, so a new entry-level Mac would open the Mac market to those who know the advantages of Macs but just didn't have the budget for one.

snahabed said:
Is this the longest News Discussion thread in MacRumors history?
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In terms of posts (currently about 1200 and rising), this is the 6th highest News thread, nearing some of those above it yet only 1/5 the posts of #1: Dual 2.5GHz PowerMacs Shipping from July. And if you count non-news threads, this thread is less than half-way to the post count of eyelikeart's infamous Drunk thread or übergeek's Geek thread.

If you count views instead of posts, you have a whole new set of numbers, with this thread in 7th place among news threads, with about 112,000 views, only about 25% of the "Dual 2.5GHz PowerMacs Shipping" thread. NBC News has not yet projected the winners.
 
Doctor Q said:
And students are especially budget conscious, so a new entry-level Mac would open the Mac market to those who know the advantages of Macs but just didn't have the budget for one.

In terms of posts (currently about 1200 and rising), this is the 6th highest News thread, nearing some of those above it yet only 1/5 the posts of #1: Dual 2.5GHz PowerMacs Shipping from July. And if you count non-news threads, this thread is less than half-way to the post count of eyelikeart's infamous Drunk thread or übergeek's Geek thread.

If you count views instead of posts, you have a whole new set of numbers, with this thread in 7th place among news threads, with about 112,000 views, only about 25% of the "Dual 2.5GHz PowerMacs Shipping" thread. NBC News has not yet projected the winners.
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The Powermac G% thread has been going for month though......
 
I haven't read all of these pages (who the heck has time??), but someone mentioned the most people do not look at Ghz when shopping for a computer. Apple's ads should reflect this.

The most intersting thing that people are forgetting is that Apple now has PLENTLY of advertising money to go around from iPod sales.

As any true mac fanatic knows, it's not who has the better product...it's who does a better job advertising it.

The Apple brand couldn't be hotter right now. Parents, adults, grandparents - a lot of them have now heard of Apple via the iPod. Keep the advertising up and let them know this (MP3 Player) company makes computers too!
 
G5 iMac confirmed.

Well, first we heard rumors of a headless G4 iMac. Intrigued, I contacted some of my "inside sources" at Apple – things were hush-hush but I was able to locate some information that seemed to confirm the release of a headless, G4 iMac:
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Sources in Cupertino told me that the arm of the iMac, which previously held the LCD screen, was being converted into a high range Airport/Bluetooth receiver capable of sending a signal over more than 37 miles.

Today however, I found that the previous image had been nothing more than a ruse to throw me off the real trail. My insider at Apple sent me the following image on the grounds that under no circumstances do I show it to anyone. Oh well, fsck him. As one of MacRumors' top tech spies I'm in the leak business here, people.

And with that, I present to you Apple's new HEADLESS G5 iMAC:


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It's a beauty, isn't it folks? Apple's minimalist design aesthetic once again sets a standard that will be imitated, yet never equaled, for years to come. Notice that they chose to entirely revamp the Airport/Bluetooth thingie. Apple engineers promise to have the sliding hole issue resolved before the MacWorld convention.

I guess I'll be hearing from Apple Legal pretty soon.

~ Keef

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i feel like posting just for the heck of it, this thread is way long.

i may get one just for the software if the iwork rumor is true.
 
~Shard~ said:
I was going to let the guy figure it out on his own if he didn't know about it, but yes, thanks for the link, it makes it easier. :cool: I'm surprised more people don't know what it is, actually... ;)
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I know you were waiting to use that term eh?
 
Sir_Giggles said:
I know you were waiting to use that term eh?
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Well, not really waiting, no - I don't browse every single thread looking for the word Nazi... ;) It's more that when I see it pop up in a long thread, I find it amusing how that law seems to come into play on a fairly frequent basis. :cool:
 
1st Tech Question about iMac LC

I have a 15" Studio LCD Display that I bought with my Cube. But for fears of my Cube burning out, I put the Cube away in storage with the rest of my vintage Macs (I will proudly display it when I have more space). What would be the way to hook this up to a Mac only with DVI? What's the best DVI to ADC connector, is there one, think they'll include one?

Thanks,

Greg
 
gkarris said:
I have a 15" Studio LCD Display that I bought with my Cube. But for fears of my Cube burning out, I put the Cube away in storage with the rest of my vintage Macs (I will proudly display it when I have more space). What would be the way to hook this up to a Mac only with DVI? What's the best DVI to ADC connector, is there one, think they'll include one?

Thanks,

Greg
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They probably won't include one but there are solutions out there for ADCto DVI. I think they average about 99 dollars
 
markie said:
"Force Quit is another jaw dropper. It simply works, unlike the various Windows task managers."

And it's nothing to do with Apple, it's the underlying BSD kernel. Force quit on Linux also simply works. Half the advantages cited to Mac OS X (which I do love) are due to the BSD kernel and also exist in similar OSes such as Linux.
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Hey Markie, did I compare to Linux? Nope! I was comparing to various flavors of Windows...you know...95, 98, ME, NT, 2K, XP, etc.

No argument that Linux works.

And BTW, Apple did choose a Unix Kernel -- give them some credit for that.

Sushi
 
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