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With the new H265 Codec being used these 4K videos should be 50% smaller file size. Still Apple TV would probably run our of space quick. Having said that it would be nice to have enough storage for a few movies which you delete after watching. Particularly here in OZ. Our Broadband speeds are worse than some third world countries. Alot of people wont get 25MBS which is a minimum requirement here.
 
Cancelling preorder.. Thankfully Best Buy hasn't shipped yet. I have fast enough internet but am limited to 500GB a month. With game consoles and all the other streaming we do from cutting the cable, I don't have enough total bandwidth to do that...

I'm confused. If you have a data cap, what difference does it make if you stream or download? It's the same amount of data. Unless you're planning on downloading one movie and watching it over and over.
 
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Dude all I know is, I probably won't buy a 4K HDR TV 60"+ until, it's Sony, LG, or someone that supports AirPlay2 Audio, and I mean the HomePods aren't even out yet and people are tripping that YouTube doesn't work DAY1 and lack of HQ audio, first rodeo for these guys!

Also, some of these guys were the ones who couldn't even figure out why the TV 4 didn't have 4K?!? which was obvious of course because the were going to release an TV 4K the next year or so?!?

I mean WOW
 
We have 12 TB hard drive‘s right now for sale. Assuming an average movie size of about 25 GB that would be 480 movies

Assuming Apple/the studios upgrade EVERYTHING in movies eventually... Well, I'll probably get flamed & shamed, but I've embraced the digital platform for years. My Movie library alone wouldn't fit on a 12 TB hard drive at 4K sizes. And that doesn't take into account TV Shows in HD... I'm pretty close to having to invest in a 20+ TB NAS for my library in HD as it is.
 
Wow, September really has been the Apple & TimMAY's "Bag O' Hurt" Month!
Nothing but things that won't do what you expect them to do or simply fail to work! HAHA!

Apple stock plummets 3%

Torrent sites overloaded.

Boy is Hollywood dumb. They would rather not sell you something than get robbed!
 
This really bothers me. Like many others here, I've been waiting for a 4k apple tv for a few years, but can only get 20mb internet where i live (which i even worse at peak times). I feel like i'm going to be sat using it tomorrow thinking "is this in 4k? is it just loading the 1080p version?" I'd be more than happy to fill my apple tv with 1-2 4k films at a time, or even wait a few hours while it buffered the 4k version before it started playing, but seems like this won't be an option...

Very disappointing :(
 
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This is something that every customer should know before they purchase the product. This is a make or break issue. For me it totally breaks it. No Apple TV 4K for me.

This has nothing to do with Apple TV, this is about iTunes. You can't download movies (SD, HD, 4K, or otherwise) on an Apple TV, it's a streaming box.
 
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Well that sucks!

Does Apple not realize that half the world, probably more, doesn't have high speed internet access and never will.
 
takes up way too much space.
if your internet can't handle streaming, you're not ready for 4k hdr. which is the majority of the population

which is why 4k Apple TV took so long to come out. not that they couldn't do it, but they were waiting for enough of the population to upgrade to make it worth updating to 4k hdr.

My interest speed (completely based on where I live) shouldn't dictate whether or not I can watch films off iTunes in higher quality. I am more than ready for 4k HDR thank you :)
 
APPLE Will not support 4k in YOUTUBE for a long time... Read below;
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In fact, smart TVs have now generally been format-neutral when it comes to video streaming for years now. So why can’t Apple TV 4K offer the same flexibility?

For starters, Apple has history here. Namely that you can’t play VP9 content on its iOS or macOS Safari browsers either. This is, perhaps, a holdover from when Apple tended to try and steer away from third-party and non-Apple open-source platforms.


Another option is that Apple just didn’t think to build support for the VP9 codec into the latest Apple TV box. It seems inconceivable, though, that Apple could have overlooked a video content source as vast as YouTube when putting its 4K HDR plans together - unless it’s somehow a limitation of the A10X chipset that powers the new ATV box.
 
Kinda shocked to read some of you have super slow internet connections. You guys have MacBook Pro's and iPhones, some of the most expensive toys on the market, yet you have 4mbs down internet. Kinda a shock. Im rocking 600 down here for the last few years, 300 before that and 110 down all the way back to like 2011. Yeah, its at a price premium, but so is everything apple.

Now, if you live somewhere where you cant get good internet. Why do you live there lol its 2017. You need the internet to live. Kinda like water :)
 


It's also possible it's a local storage issue, as 4K movies have large file sizes.​

This is most assuredly part of the decision. I have a few 4K HDR movies stored on a computer at home, and their file sizes are 40gb for one. Those of us with 256gb iPhones wouldn't struggle to have a couple or few of these on our phones, but for the Apple TV 4K in 32gb it's impossible, and just not a good idea for the 64gb.

I think they should at least have an option to download it to a desktop device. But for those on mobile is it really worth being upset that you can't have one or two of these massive movies hanging around on your device?

You also have to consider: this can become a support nightmare very quickly. "How can I help you, sir?" "I'm getting an error that I cannot download this movie to my phone." *Blah blah figuring out that he wants a 4K movie on a 64gb phone* "I am sorry sir, you are going to have to delete nearly everything on your phone to make room for one movie." "What!? If these files are so big why is the phone storage so small!?"

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It's still convenient to pre-load it onto your device one time, maybe even ahead of time. and never have to worry about re-downloading it again. If you stream it, it has to be done in one go at the time of viewing, which is going to be harder on a slower connection.

Can you do that with the other streaming boxes; Roku, Google, etc?
 
Kinda shocked to read some of you have super slow internet connections. You guys have MacBook Pro's and iPhones, some of the most expensive toys on the market, yet you have 4mbs down internet. Kinda a shock. Im rocking 600 down here for the last few years, 300 before that and 110 down all the way back to like 2011. Yeah, its at a price premium, but so is everything apple.

I've known a bunch of friends who complained their internet was slow, and they too owned many expensive tech devices.

I'm the go-to guy for negotiating with telecom over service agreements, and when someone asks me for my help, most have no idea what they're paying for in the first place. The person on the phone from the company also doesn't really have an idea, because they just sell things based upon "oh you have 2-4 devices that need to stream and play games check a little email..."

Whereas I say "Please stop walking me through my usage scenarios and give me the speed as a number and I'll decide if the price paid matches the service quality."

I've taken people from 25Mb/s -> 200+ for the same price because the company can get away with selling less for the same price to different people when they don't ask too many or the right questions.

I had a really good time not long ago taking my parents from 3 -> 200 when I found out that Comcast was upping the bill and not changing the speeds. That one was damn near a cakewalk to "negotiate."
 
I think your real issue should be the artificial limits you ISP puts on you. They are price gouging for a non existent issue.

Well I can't control that. Comcast a few towns over also has a 1TB limit. For a family to cut the cord with 2 kids who like to watch new movies a 100 times before they get sick of it this won't work. If I buy it and can download it, I download 25GB once not every time the kids or my wife and I want to watch it. The real issue is not my ISP its apple not allowing me to have my content the way I want to have it. I have a NAS just so that I can have my library local. I live far south of Chicago in a town of 1,500 people. Its hard to get the same internet you get in the city.
 
No issue here. Apple usually streams content at a higher bit rate than downloaded files. Plus any content I really want to own and enjoy at the highest quality- buy physical.
 
I’ll go against the grain and say this doesn’t bother me. 4K streamed and compressed looks like hell anyway. The whole point of 4K is absolute best picture quality. You’re not going to get that through an internet connection. Rip the disc to a NAS.
 
Then why did you order one in the first place? Just asking!

Because they said they were upgrading my movies to 4K, who ever would have thought that they weren't going to allow me download them ONCE! Why should I be forced to stream a 25GB+ movie every time it gets watched. I have kids that like to watch things over and over, like all kids. My wife and I can't always watch things together due to our work hours so a lot of the time we end up watching a movie at different times. It's how I want to consume my data and I should be allowed to do it which ever way I want to. No-body listening that keynote thought they would do this.
 
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Kinda shocked to read some of you have super slow internet connections. You guys have MacBook Pro's and iPhones, some of the most expensive toys on the market, yet you have 4mbs down internet. Kinda a shock. Im rocking 600 down here for the last few years, 300 before that and 110 down all the way back to like 2011. Yeah, its at a price premium, but so is everything apple.

Now, if you live somewhere where you cant get good internet. Why do you live there lol its 2017. You need the internet to live. Kinda like water :)

Unfortunately, sometimes living only 10min from a town with LTE and gigabit internet, puts you in an area with AT&T “4G” and 15/2 internet.
 
I'm confused. If you have a data cap, what difference does it make if you stream or download? It's the same amount of data. Unless you're planning on downloading one movie and watching it over and over.

What's to be confused about? Who buys a movie, watches it and then tosses it in the garbage? I have kids that watch things over and over and have a large library that I have downloaded and kept locally. This is not a hard concept. I want to download it once and keep it local not stream 25GB+ every time someone wants to watch a movie.
 
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