I’m curious about this too. On iTunes on my 5K iMac I’m not seeing 4K as an option for movies. When I go to play one it just does so in 1080p.
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4K iTunes Content Limited to Streaming Only, No Downloads
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I’m curious about this too. On iTunes on my 5K iMac I’m not seeing 4K as an option for movies. When I go to play one it just does so in 1080p.
Let’s be honest. People who torrent are going to torrent no matter what. The excuse that it’s because of “Studios’ greed” is BS.
According to that support article, 5K iMacs cannot stream 4k content. And that REALLY sucks!
Find out what video quality your device can play
HD videos feature a higher-quality picture than SD videos. Some videos also include even higher-quality content, with a 4K option for 4K-compatible devices.
You can see if your device can play 4K, HDR, or Dolby Vision videos by checking the tech specs for your Apple product.
Only the Apple TV 4K, connected to a 4K-compatible television with a compatible ultra-high speed HDMI cable, can play 4K content.
Not surprised. I got the low capacity ATV and the high capacity internet (Charter-Spectrum cable (only)). Phone Ooma! Wifi AC.
You must not travel much. The markets iTunes is in outside the US most likely have faster internet than the US.
Well YouTube used to support 4K under Safari, but chose to stop and instead use their own VP9 codec in January 2017. Older 4K content will still play in 4K (I am watching a 2014 YT video right now in 4K under Safari) so there is no technical limitation, just YouTube pushing their own codecs.
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As i already mentioned in the previous threads, Google has NEVER updated the YouTube app on the ATV4. Its 2 years old. Stop pointing the blame at Apple and ask Google why they NEVER UPDATED THEIR OWN APP.
The residents in your town seem to have the notion that “there is noting I can do”.
Use your voting power to pressure your local pols and have this changed. As long as you all lay down, the ISP will continue to gouge you.
You were gonna steal no matter what. Not being able to download a 4k movies = gotta steal it.
And people who aren't allowed to buy stuff will ALWAYS find a way to get it. Steve Jobs said it best. People want to own their music. They don't want to keep renting it over and over again.
I can't believing everything that I'm reading. I'll be sending it right back to the store.. The "most expensive" device apparently can't do anything.
It's a hobby..
It's a hobby..
Having 1GB fiber internet, I was hoping to be able to download 4K video.
Sufferin' Succotash!
Sufferin' Succotash!
Hint: H.265.
Hint #2: if storage was an issue then you wouldn’t see HD movies available on iTunes for the better part of the last decade.
Hint #3: You’ve seen HD movies on iTunes for the better part of the last decade specifically because Apple’s compression standard took HD movies from 20-30GB+ files down to 3-5GB files on iTunes.
Hint #4: With H.265 compression, the 4K movies would be maybe 10-15GB which is more than acceptable for download purposes, especially with the increased storage of 2017.
Kind of a side discussion:
As far as I know, the Apple TV has never "downloaded" movie content, there's no option, or download management, etc., it only buffers up the stream. I don't even know if we have confirmation how much it buffers up - I've seen some people claim right here on MR "the entire movie", but I've never been able to confirm this, even as a developer with those documentation resources available.
Sure, you can disconnect while a movie or show was playing, and it'll run for a limited about of time, again, that's buffering. If you can't stream 4K, does the ATV5 really send the 4K content, and spin for 15+ minutes before starting the movie, based on the bitrate needed and the projected connection speed?
I really wonder if this is documented anywhere. I've lost connection during streaming, but in my experience, there's just a minute or so before it tanks.
I mean, I've tested it this way: started an HD movie from iTunes, pause it, assuming the logic would be to download at the fastest rate possible (vs. the display bitrate), right? I started an HD movie, paused, left it paused for 6 minutes, at a ~6mbps HD bitrate (could be lower or higher by a couple of mbps, just a midrange speed to make the math simple ...), and a ~60mbps connection (no other traffic on the network), that's about 10:1. At that ratio, 6 minutes, 360 seconds@ 60 mbps would be like an hour of download/preload/buffer. At the very least, if it continued to download at the streaming speed 6mbps, you'd get an equivalent real time of 6 minutes.
However, the 32GB ATV 4, with most of the storage available, I can disconnect the network, and it plays back for about 60 seconds. It does the same with a 30 minute TV show like the Simpsons from FXNow.
Of course, this is totally outside of the discussion about downloading it with a device that does, explicitly support such, like a Mac (so that you could stream from iTunes -> Apple TV), iOS devices, etc.
As far as I know, the Apple TV has never "downloaded" movie content, there's no option, or download management, etc., it only buffers up the stream. I don't even know if we have confirmation how much it buffers up - I've seen some people claim right here on MR "the entire movie", but I've never been able to confirm this, even as a developer with those documentation resources available.
Sure, you can disconnect while a movie or show was playing, and it'll run for a limited about of time, again, that's buffering. If you can't stream 4K, does the ATV5 really send the 4K content, and spin for 15+ minutes before starting the movie, based on the bitrate needed and the projected connection speed?
I really wonder if this is documented anywhere. I've lost connection during streaming, but in my experience, there's just a minute or so before it tanks.
I mean, I've tested it this way: started an HD movie from iTunes, pause it, assuming the logic would be to download at the fastest rate possible (vs. the display bitrate), right? I started an HD movie, paused, left it paused for 6 minutes, at a ~6mbps HD bitrate (could be lower or higher by a couple of mbps, just a midrange speed to make the math simple ...), and a ~60mbps connection (no other traffic on the network), that's about 10:1. At that ratio, 6 minutes, 360 seconds@ 60 mbps would be like an hour of download/preload/buffer. At the very least, if it continued to download at the streaming speed 6mbps, you'd get an equivalent real time of 6 minutes.
However, the 32GB ATV 4, with most of the storage available, I can disconnect the network, and it plays back for about 60 seconds. It does the same with a 30 minute TV show like the Simpsons from FXNow.
Of course, this is totally outside of the discussion about downloading it with a device that does, explicitly support such, like a Mac (so that you could stream from iTunes -> Apple TV), iOS devices, etc.
I'm not sure that's the issue here. The movie is going to be cached on the ATV even as its streamed. So with a slow connection, the movie might very well be cached and available locally when you want to watch it, assuming you don't stream other programming in the interim.
As for downloading a 4K copy for use on any other device, I'm not sure I see the point. Out of all of Apple's devices, the 27" 5k iMac is about the only one that might benefit from a 4K copy, and even then it seems impractical.
Now if there's no local caching such that a movie can be watched any time on the ATV, I'd perceive that's a problem. There's not even enough storage on the largest ATV to hold one 4K movie anyway, so if you lose your internet connection, you're not going to be using the ATV anyway.
No issue with the streaming as I was kind of expecting it, although I would have liked to download some to my NAS.
No spoiled people who think they are entitled to everything will. If it is not available to me, then I spend my money elsewhere.
What an ignorant comment. I live in a rural area with poor internet and will never be able to stream 4k, but I have a nice new LG Oled 65" 4k that I enjoy every day via uhd blu-rays. I could easily download a 4k movie overnight to enjoy the following evening if they permitted the download, but will never be able to take advantage of a streaming only situation.
Please think before posting ignorant comments.
Which streaming or content store allows downloading outside of their software/hardware? As far as I know iTunes software can’t be loaded on a NAS.
Well duh, how big are the movies, 20GB? It's hardly going to store them on the device is it.
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Unsurprising. The studios are unlikely to sign off on this. Also, I bet the people involved in the negotiations don't think it's worth it for a 27" screen.
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Unsurprising. The studios are unlikely to sign off on this. Also, I bet the people involved in the negotiations don't think it's worth it for a 27" screen.
I learn new words everyday. Thanks! Note that I’m only looking for DRM free version of movies I own. If Plex Server could playback iTunes movies I’d have no need to wamble