4K Videos on a 16GB 6s ? Design Flaw or Deliberate ?

[warrior2000]

The comparisons are exactly the same dude!

iPhone 5S has 16GB for $650 and 32GB for $750.
iPhone 6 has 16GB for $650 and 64GB for $750.

This means from someone who always buys the $650 iPhone, they now get 48GB less than the middle tier instead of only 16GB less. This is a WORSE deal for the consumer.

What I am saying, and you actually agreed to, is that technically the $650 buyer is getting the same capacity as the year before. No one actually complains that they have 48GB less storage now. Just like with a base model jump to 32GB, a $750 iPhone buyer still gets the same 64GB of storage!

You seem to think that consumers subtract the base model from the next model up, factor in a price per GB ratio, and then determine if it's a good deal. No. One. Does. This. In fact it would greatly simplify everything. A 32GB iPhone starts at $650, then for $100 more you can get double the storage, either 64GB or 128GB. Do you hear people complain that it's a $100 difference for 48GB versus a $100 difference for 64GB of the top model? No!

I hear many people do a cost analysis like how I stated.

They look at the base model and then figure out what they get in ADDITION to the base model by paying the $100 premium. I hear it all the time. All the time!

Best Buy: So here is the new iPhone it starts at $650 for 32GB. We also have a $750 and $850 tier.

Rick: So what do I get if I pay the extra $100?

Best Buy: You get 64GB instead of 32GB.

Rick: So i get 32GB of additional memory for $100?

Best Buy: Yes

Rick: Hmm. Last year I got 48GB for $100.


You hear it all the time!!! People also use incremental value in making buying decisions. They always ask what will $100 give me? What will the additional $200 give me.


I know this is an extreme example but it makes my point about incremental value:

iPhone 7 - 60GB - $650
iPhone 7 - 64GB - $750

You don't think the guy who buys the 64GB model will feel ripped off? He will because he's only getting 4GB more for $100. People will always compare the 3 models to see which one not only fits their lifestyle but also is the best deal. Saying that a 64GB buyer will be happy to pay the same price for a 64GB phone regardless of what the lower tier is getting is being ignorant of real buying behavior.

 

[geoff5093]

What a ripoff! I need to pay $100 just to get 16GB more for the 32GB phone! Rip off!!!

What you heard was people complaining about $100 increments in storage capacity, they wanted $50. Even now people think $100 is too much.

Best Buy: So here is the new iPhone it starts at $650 for 32GB. We also have a $750 and $850 tier.

Rick: So what do I get if I pay the extra $100?

Best Buy: You get 64GB instead of 32GB.

Rick: So i get 32GB of additional memory for $100?

Best Buy: Yes

Rick: Hmm. Last year I got 48GB for $100.


You hear it all the time!!!

I know this is an extreme example but it makes my point about incremental value:

iPhone 7 - 60GB - $650
iPhone 7 - 64GB - $750

You don't think the guy who buys the 64GB model will feel ripped off? He will because he's only getting 4GB more for $100.

That conversation NEVER happened, as Apple didn't raise the base to 32GB. You are just assuming that would happen, which it likely wouldn't as many people would be thrilled they no longer need to spend $750 for a usable iPhone.

Of course people would be ripped off if it was 60GB vs 64GB for $100 more, but why are you even using that as an example? Look at Apple's history besides last year, and EVERY OTHER SINGLE PHONE, they all have storage capacities in factors of 2 that double with each model.

 

[warrior2000]

What you heard was people complaining about $100 increments in storage capacity, they wanted $50. Even now people think $100 is too much.


That conversation NEVER happened, as Apple didn't raise the base to 32GB. You are just assuming that would happen, which it likely wouldn't as many people would be thrilled they no longer need to spend $750 for a usable iPhone.

Of course people would be ripped off if it was 60GB vs 64GB for $100 more, but why are you even using that as an example? Look at Apple's history besides last year, and EVERY OTHER SINGLE PHONE, they all have storage capacities in factors of 2 that double with each model.

My whole point is people do look at incremental value.

People in the real world will ask: What will I get for $100 more?

When they realize they get LESS for the $100 premium many will be disappointed.

The only logical solution that Apple could have done was raise the price of the base phone:

32GB $700
64GB $750
128GB $850

 

[Surf Donkey]

Yes, they should also raise the price of the base phone for going from 1GB of RAM to 2GB. Or from the A8 to the A9. In fact keep increasing the base price of the phone each year indefinitely any time you up the specs. Makes perfect sense. It is the only logical thing Apple can do when they are giving the customer more of something!

 

[geoff5093]

My whole point is people do look at incremental value.

People in the real world will ask: What will I get for $100 more?

When they realize they get LESS for the $100 premium many will be disappointed.

The only logical solution that Apple could have done was raise the price of the base phone:

32GB $700
64GB $750
128GB $850

Most people do not understand storage capacity and what you can do with 1GB of storage. I will tell you what will happen to most people:

Salesperson: We have the 32GB iPhone for $650, but we also have models for $750 and $850.

Buyer: What do I get for those other models?

Salesperson: The storage is doubled on the $750 iPhone, and then doubled again on the $850 phone so you get twice the storage for $100 more.

Buyer: Awesome! I take lots of selfies.

Look, I don't think I've seen one person agree with you throughout your 150 posts of trolling, so you are clearly the absolute minority here.

 

[warrior2000]

Look, I don't think I've seen one person agree with you throughout your 150 posts of trolling, so you are clearly the absolute minority here.

There are several million who agree with me......they will be receiving 16GB phones tomorrow

 

[Surf Donkey]

Best Buy: So here is the new iPhone it starts at $650 for 32GB. We also have a $750 and $850 tier.

Rick: So what do I get if I pay the extra $100?

Best Buy: You get 64GB instead of 32GB.

Rick: So i get 32GB of additional memory for $100?

Best Buy: Yes

Rick: Hmm. Last year I got 48GB for $100.

This could very will be the most far fetched thing I have ever read on these forums. And that is saying something.

 

[warrior2000]

Yes, they should also raise the price of the base phone for going from 1GB of RAM to 2GB. Or from the A8 to the A9. In fact keep increasing the base price of the phone each year indefinitely any time you up the specs. Makes perfect sense. It is the only logical thing Apple can do when they are giving the customer more of something!

Maybe it is time for a price raise.

In 2007 the iPhone was $650.
Eight years latter and its still $650.
Just inflation alone it should actually be $750.

Tell me a car brand who's cars are as cheap as 2007?
All cars have raised their prices about 10-15% since 2007.

 

[Surf Donkey]

There are several million who agree with me......they will be receiving 16GB phones tomorrow

Those same millions would take 32GB happily. Do you think there will be bitching like the 4'' phone people?

BRING BACK THE 1GB RAM AND 16GB PHONE!

 

[Surf Donkey]

Maybe it is time for a price raise.

In 2007 the iPhone was $650.
Eight years latter and its still $650.
Just inflation alone it should actually be $750.

Tell me a car brand who's cars are as cheap as 2007?
All cars have raised their prices about 10-15% since 2007.

Yes, because personal technology is equivalent to cars

And historically personal technology always goes up in price

I mean 20 years ago RAM was only a nickel!!

 

[warrior2000]

Yes, because personal technology is equivalent to cars

And historically personal technology always goes up in price

I mean 20 years ago RAM was only a nickel!!

Historically CUTTING EDGE personal technology DOES go up in price.

Look at the most expensive TV's now vs the 90's. Todays CUTTING EDGE Tv's cost more. alot more. Cutting edge projectors cost more today than in 1970. Cutting edge speakers cost more than in the 80's. Look at video games systems. Cost more now than when the NES came out. Goes on and on. The only time the prices go down is when innovation or progress stalls.

For example in the 90's the top end TV sets were about $3k. Now they go up to $20k easily.

Yes, old models do get cheaper, but not CUTTING EDGE TECH. And the new iPhones are CUTTING EDGE.

A Camry in 2007 started at $18,400
A Camry in 2015 starts at $22,900
That is an increase in price of 24%


People should be happy the iPhone has not increased in price ONE CENT in the same time period.

 

[warrior2000]

Those same millions would take 32GB happily. Do you think there will be bitching like the 4'' phone people?

BRING BACK THE 1GB RAM AND 16GB PHONE!

Thats not the question.

He said I'm the only one in the entire world who thinks 16GB is a reasonable base model. I said millions of people who pre-ordered the 16GB phone agree with me.

 

[geoff5093]

There are several million who agree with me......they will be receiving 16GB phones tomorrow

No. There are several million people who don't want to pay more than $650 for a phone. And quite a few of those will be here complaining that they filled up their storage.

Maybe it is time for a price raise.

In 2007 the iPhone was $650.
Eight years latter and its still $650.

Do computers get more expensive? No, like most technology the prices get cheaper as time goes on. Besides, with most carriers not doing 2 year contracts anymore you see more and more phones starting at lower price points.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Historically CUTTING EDGE personal technology DOES go up in price.

Look at the most expensive TV's now vs the 90's. Todays CUTTING EDGE Tv's cost more. alot more. Cutting edge projectors cost more today than in 1970. Cutting edge speakers cost more than in the 80's. Goes on and on.

Yes, old models do get cheaper, but not CUTTING EDGE TECH. And the new iPhones are CUTTING EDGE.

A Camry in 2007 started at $18,400
A Camry in 2015 starts at $22,900
That is an increase in price of 24%

People should be happy the iPhone has not increased in price ONE CENT in the same time period.

I am sure you weren't born in the 90s to know what the price of a high end television was. Spoilers, it was waaaaaay more than today. Do you know why? Technology advances and the components become CHEAPER. Driving down the price of consumer electronics.

If you think Apple has CUTTING EDGE tech in the iPhone, I am truly 1000% swear on my mother done with you. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Apple puts in tech when it is established and cheap enough to produce at a consumer price point. Unless I am missing an OLED iphone that was announce in the past 5 years??

 

[warrior2000]

Do computers get more expensive? No, like most technology the prices get cheaper as time goes on. Besides, with most carriers not doing 2 year contracts anymore you see more and more phones starting at lower price points.

Computers get cheaper because innovation has stalled. As in most mainstream users don't see the benefit of a new computer compared to a computer they bought 2 years ago.

If innovation stalls on smartphones then the price will go down also.

 

[aces99]

I have a question about the cloud. I hear people people say if your 16gb iPhone is full just put all your photos or whatnot in the cloud. Say I do that and then I need a couple pictures from the cloud. How do I look threw all my pictures in the cloud to find the ones I want. I can't seem to find how I can look threw what I have in the cloud to find what I am looking for without having to restore the backup. Am I missing something. I don't want to have to restore the backup every time I want to find something I have saved in the cloud.

 

[warrior2000]

No. There are several million people who don't want to pay more than $650 for a phone. And quite a few of those will be here complaining that they filled up their storage.

Millions don't want to pay more than $650? Then who's buying the 6+?

Stop making baseless assumptions. People buy stuff they want. People buy 16GB iPhones because it works for them.

 

[geoff5093]

Millions don't want to pay more than $650? Then who's buying the 6+?

Stop making baseless assumptions. People buy stuff they want. People buy 16GB iPhones because it works for them.

The people buying the 6+ are the ones who want to buy a 6+... Was that a serious question?

As you pointed out, millions of people bought the cheapest iPhone. Most because they see the sticker price and can't justify paying more than $650. Many "settle" with 16GB because they don't want to pay $750 or $850.

 

[Surf Donkey]

This thread is hilarious with Warrior on ignore. LOL!! Just people arguing with themselves. Over in xda, you still see the responses in quotes. They do a good job totally wiping them out over here.

 

[warrior2000]

I am sure you weren't born in the 90s to know what the price of a high end television was. Spoilers, it was waaaaaay more than today. Do you know why? Technology advances and the components become CHEAPER. Driving down the price of consumer electronics.

If you think Apple has CUTTING EDGE tech in the iPhone, I am truly 1000% swear on my mother done with you. That is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. Apple puts in tech when it is established and cheap enough to produce at a consumer price point. Unless I am missing an OLED iphone that was announce in the past 5 years??

Nice job making assumptions.

I bought multiple TV's in the 90's. TV's were not more expensive then. They cost more today to get a top of the line set like this 8k TV for $133,000

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/17/technology/8k-tv/

IN the 90's you could get a nice mid-range set for about $500 - 32 inch flat screen.
Today your midrange set cost at least $1000 - 4k set.


Apple is cutting edge tech:

A9 processor
3D touch
Best camera in the biz

 

[warrior2000]

The people buying the 6+ are the ones who want to buy a 6+... Was that a serious question?

As you pointed out, millions of people bought the cheapest iPhone. Most because they see the sticker price and can't justify paying more than $650. Many "settle" with 16GB because they don't want to pay $750 or $850.

they could always buy the 5s for $450 or the 6 for $550.

you assume 16GB iPhone buyers are total idiots.

 

[aces99]

The fact is many people are perfectly fine with 16GB phones.

If you raise the base model to 32GB you will definitely lose sales of the higher tier phones.

Apple will need to make up for that lost sales by raising the price of the base tier phone.

Why not have both. You could have 16gb, 32g 64gb and 128gb option to choose from. Then everyone can get what they want.


Then people who are fine with 16GB phones will lose out because they will have to pay more for a 32GB phone that has more memory than they need. Instead of paying $650 for a 16GB phone they will have to pay $700 for a 32GB phone.

 

[geoff5093]

I bought multiple TV's in the 90's. TV's were not more expensive then. They cost more today to get a top of the line set like this 8k TV for $133,000
Apple is cutting edge tech:

A9 processor
3D touch
Best camera in the biz

TV's absolutely were more expensive back then. Comparing a 32" tube TV to $133k 8k TV is insane, what kind of comparison is that? You also seem to forget about inflation, but today you can get a 30-something" LCD TV for a couple hundred bucks, compared to a 30-something" tube TV for 3-4x that.

Look at video cameras and digital cameras. Those were thousands back in the 90's, compared to $50-$100 now for a basic one.

Seriously, just look at a Radio Shack ad from the 90's and all of those items are several times cheaper now, before you even factor in inflation.

Those aren't really "cutting edge", they are on par with many other flagship phones. In fact Samsung has a superior display, mobile payment system, etc. What he was talking about was something cutting edge like a flexible phone, holographic display, teleportation device, etc. Something that hasn't been done before.

they could always buy the 5s for $450 or the 6 for $550.

you assume 16GB iPhone buyers are total idiots.

The iPhone is a status symbol to many, especially kids/teens, and most would rather have an iPhone 6 over an older model, even if it means less storage.

 

[aces99]

Nice job making assumptions.

I bought multiple TV's in the 90's. TV's were not more expensive then. They cost more today to get a top of the line set like this 8k TV for $133,000

http://money.cnn.com/2015/09/17/technology/8k-tv/

IN the 90's you could get a nice mid-range set for about $500 - 32 inch flat screen.
Today your midrange set cost at least $1000 - 4k set.


Apple is cutting edge tech:

A9 processor
3D touch
Best camera in the biz

You can't compare a 90's mid range TV set to a mid range 4K TV set of today. Today's 4K TV blows even the best 90's TV set away. You said in the 90's you could get a nice mid range 32 inch flat screen for about $500. The same TV today you can get for a couple hundred bucks. Tell me what the price of that 8K TV is in a couple years.

 

[warrior2000]

TV's absolutely were more expensive back then. Comparing a 32" tube TV to $133k 8k TV is insane, what kind of comparison is that? You also seem to forget about inflation, but today you can get a 30-something" LCD TV for a couple hundred bucks, compared to a 30-something" tube TV for 3-4x that.

I'm talking about what was cutting edge in the 90's vs what is cutting edge TODAY.

Cutting edge TV's in the 90's did not cost more than cutting edge TV's today.

I'm not forgetting about inflation. That is one reason why a price hike for the iPhone would be okay. We are talking about almost 10 years of inflation next year.

Those aren't really "cutting edge", they are on par with many other flagship phones. In fact Samsung has a superior display, mobile payment system, etc. What he was talking about was something cutting edge like a flexible phone, holographic display, teleportation device, etc. Something that hasn't been done before.

Apple is cutting edge.

When the 5s came out did anyone else have TouchID?
When the 6 came out did anyone else have ApplePay equivelant?
Does anyone else have 3d touch?

Of course Samsung copies all that stuff 6 months later.