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susansz28 said:
Hi,
I'm writing a story on the video screen rumors for TechNewsWorld and I'm hoping someone will comment on the record about what they think of this and the likelihood of its being true.
Thanks,
Susan

If you read the past comments, alot of the talk is that a high resolution color screen would be a massive drain on battery life, and iPods right now are not well-known for long battery life. There was rumours that the screen might be OLED, or Organic Light Emitting Diode, which would reduce power consumption.

I personally think Apple could very well come out with a color screen. Its feels like the right time for the iPod to get a color screen, having had a grayscale screen the last 2 1/2 years. A color screen mated with either a larger battery or one with higher density is a strong possibility.
 
What I would like to see.

I'd like to see this integrated with the music video section of iTunes. I think it would be cool to be able to load music videos on my iPod and then be able to rearrange them and play them on a TV. You can already be your own DJ with your iPod, now you can be your own VJ. This would allow video use for the iPod while keeping the tie to digital music that everyone associates it with.
 
U2 Video presages video ipod?

I'm not up on this stuff, but don't remember there ever being a video being played as part of a song in iTunes before. Might the current U2 video being featured on Apple's home page be an indication of things to come (soon) -- more video in iTunes, and similar video on the iPod?
 
anyone seen the new iPod comercial?

its by U2 and pretty cool ;)

there is however al little error in it i think...



see the frame near the end where al the buttons stand out? why are the buttons there arnt they supposed to be just white. and why is the woman dancing when the iPod isn't even on.

it still is a cool comercial though!

and i TOTALLY LIKE THE NEW IPOD RUMOR!!!

 

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Things are moooving...

Signs of something big coming up are starting to show... rumors of 60gig iPod are all over the place - even in regular newpapers here in Norway now... U2 promovideo for iTMS/iPod... and; birthday of iTMS for Windows coming up this weekend...

I think very soon there will be a substantial update to iTMS - maybe with musicvideo downloads... maybe expansion to more countries... maybe an all new iPod... movies? AX remote? WiFi?

I feel I am getting my expectations up there now...
 
The next iPod has been featuring a color screen and photo capabilities for the past three years now. I'll believe this when I see it, plus Apple would have to create a version of iPhoto for Microsoft Windows for it to gain much popularity. I don't know what effect that would have on the Mac community to know that another iApp is running on Windows. I think iTunes was very neccessary, but iPhoto I'm not sure about. Another thing to think about is that we Mac people have to purchase iPhoto with iLife, iLife would not be such a great deal if it's two most popular apps can be attained without purchase.
 
YA YMMV

Jovian9 said:
With regards to camera phones:
It is understandable that some people do not like them b/c they take low quality pics......but........for those of us who already carry around (a ton of widgets)...a low-quality-phone-picture is better than no picture at all when you're wanting to remember something.

Agreed, and this is the value of convergence, so long as it doesn't break overall utility. For example, PDA/GPS combo's are a great way to kill your battery life. Similarly, I already know that I'm going to have a hard time finding my next cellphone because our corporate security regulations restrict cameras: a lot of good it would be to have a cellphone if I can only carry it around on weekends.


With regards to the rumored 60GB iPod:
I see no problem with this as long as it does NOT decrease ease of use and does NOT decrease battery life. They are not going to drastically increase the physical size of the iPod just for this feature...

Power management is a big and growing issue for all devices. I think that Apple knows that a reduction in battery life will create a lemon product and will thus avoid doing so.

What I'd like to see:
Album Art...
Lyrics...
Music Video...
Wireless Enabled ...
DVR....

Some interesting ideas, although they're not of much interest to me. I do agree that wireless is probably a good way to go, and that "video out plug" rumors could simply be a non-wireless implimentation for in-house testing. Personally, my interest is in applying the iPod as a digital wallet - - the Belkin wasn't quite good enough to make me make the jump as of today, and I hadn't been aware of its slow I/O until reading this thread, which makes it less likely. Insofar as the rest of the features, I really need the Palm-OS PDA features, most importantly the "conduits" that hook into MS-Outlook's calendar and Contacts list - - which would also have a side benefit that I could buy the 'Pod with corporate money instead of my own :)

-hh
 
I hate to sound like Steve, but to me the iPod is great because its the smallest, most beautiful, well functioning MUSIC player out there.

I just have no need for a photo iPod.

Oh well, as long as they sell the "normal" iPods, I really dont care.
 
only slightly off topic...

...but still somewhat related. a lot of people have discredited this rumor by quoting steve jobs' statements that this kind of convergeance wont work (palying video on an iPod), and to not get their hopes up for any such products from apple (cellphone/pda/tablet pc) but that was a while ago and since then the market has matured greatly. We are now seeing some pretty cool offerings on the PC side in the form of Media Center PC's that quite frankly, as a die hard mac user and someone who gets carpal tunnel just by looking at a windows screen, are very very inticing to me.

for example, HP just released some pics of a very sexy looking Media Center PC that I would love to own, if of course it was a mac. i wouldnt be surprised at all if apple has quietly been making an About Face on this position, and frankly they would be foolish not to. it would be sad if apple was uncharacteristically late to market with such a product. they are usually the first to introduce new technologies that change the way computers are perceived and used. Here's Gizmodo on HP's new media center PC:

http://www.gizmodo.com/archives/hp-announces-windows-xp-media-center-2005-products-023222.php
 
macidiot said:
In the US, this basically means everyone, since the computer market is essentially fully saturated.

Define "everyone". I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of the U.S. population that actually owns a PC. Or should I say doesn't own a PC?

macidiot said:
You can delete the modem

Not on all Apples. For example, you can't delete the modem on the new G5 iMac.
 
howard said:
and with that bring album hierarchies!!! i would be a happy man

You know it. Man, my iLife would be a lot better and more organized if I had nested albums in iPhotos for all my photos. And nested playlists in iTunes as well would be great. :cool:
 
Camera in the new iPod

I haven't read all 400+ posts but.....

What about a camera built into the iPod that would store picts and transfer them to your pict folder on sync. Menus would be no problem, lens out the back. Would have to be 2.0 mega plus to meet Apple standards.

Now that would be sweet.
 
...imovie..idvd...

what are the chances apple could use the video out port to support an imovie... idvd... playback on tv via the ipod
 
dejo said:
Define "everyone". I think you'd be surprised at the percentage of the U.S. population that actually owns a PC. Or should I say doesn't own a PC?

In the US, the pc growth rate is in the low-to-mid single digits. This means it is essentially at replacement levels.

In the corporate market, essentially everyone that needs a computer has one. Obviously, someone with no business need (custodial, truck driver) probably won't have one.

In the home market, again, it is essentially in replacement/add-on mode. Everyone that wants a computer and can afford one, has one.

Obviously, there are still many that don't have computers. But your talking about people that, again, can not afford, do not want, or have no use for a computer.

But lets talk percentages... in US business, computer penetration is probably 90-100%. Again, obviously, there are some industries that have low computer use. But overall, the market is saturated. At the consumer level, consider that Apple has about 3-5% market share. Most numbers say its an installed base of about 15 million. Probably about 10 million in the US. Of that, say 7million in personal use (non-education/business). Extrapolating, that means about 150million computers in the US for home/personal use. Since thats about the number of households in the US, one could say thats pretty much everyone. Obviously, there isn't a 1:1 ratio for the home. A family household of 4 doesn't usually have 4 computers.

I know there are millions in the US that don't own a computer. A 5 year old doesn't own a computer, the parents do. A crackhead homeless person probably doesn't have a computer. And, like I said, essentially everyone has a computer. That is, those that can afford one and want one have one. And in the context I was talking about, it meant that in the US, the majority of people use and are familiar with the MS style 2 button mouse.

So what exactly was your point?
 
macidiot said:
That is, those that can afford one and want one have one. And in the context I was talking about, it meant that in the US, the majority of people use and are familiar with the MS style 2 button mouse.

So what exactly was your point?

My point was you should be more specific about how you use the term "everyone". You might have said "...everyone who can afford a computer and wants one..."

I have a question: Do you think the majority of people use and are familiar with a scroll wheel on a mouse?
 
My Two Cents

Okay, let's start off with the basics here.

What is the iPod? What is it? Is it a Music player or a Video player? Is it a camera phone or a photo journal? The iPod in itself, is a HD MPEG Audio 3 Player which happens to have an enormous amount of hard disk space so that potential rumour believers can think videos and other media can be played on.

"ThinkSecret has published a rumor of a new 4th generation iPod featuring a previously rumored Toshiba 60 GB hard drive. In addition to the rumored size increase the new iPod is said to have a 2-inch color liquid crystal display, iPhoto synchronization, audio/video-out capabilities, and will sell for $499. Form factor is not expected to change, although the new iPod will be slightly thicker and heavier than the present 20 and 40 GB models"

Analyzing one by one, let's look at this in a better perspective. First of all, the 60GB hard drive is a highly credible rumour, since Apple has to expand its market for those who need and want a bigger drive space for their music or be it, other files. Although I do agree with the fact that someone said "the average music person would not have more than 10GBs of music".

Next, 2-inch color liquid crystal display. Highly possible, however problematic. Why? Because what are you going to do about the iPods that are selling now? the 20 and 40GB ones? Are they going to be given color screens too? or are they just going to be left there? Is this 60GB a stand alone? If so, then it can't be called an iPod, it would have to be a completely different range! PowerPod, iPod Color, iPod Maxi, iPod Multi, iPod Plus a brand new range. They can't ignore the current 4Gs which were only released a few months ago!

Synchronizing with iPhoto, this is debatable. iPhoto as everyone knows is an integral part of iLife, which is Apple's flagship for their software base, the obvious other being the OS X or the Logic Series. Now, the decision to port iTunes to the Windows market was based on the fact that since the Apple will sell music over the Internet, to sell their iPods, they needed the Wintel market to also buy music, (they can buy the same music, we all use credit cards at the end of the day) so therefore, the iTunes was given away to the Wintel crowd. To sell music, and to sell iPods. Extremely fantastic marketing strategy. Now let's look at the similar situation with iPhoto. The fundamental question is, the medium in which the iPhoto operates is, obviously Photos, pictures. You can't buy photos of yourselves or other people from the net, nor would you want to even if you could. It simply does not have that marginal utility value compared to that of a MP3 file. So obviously, the iPhoto ship will not be docking at the Wintel port. Apple doesn't need that. If you want to use your 60GB iPod seamlessly, (you can still use your photo capabilities with your Windows applications, but won't be auto synching..)you will have to buy a Macintosh. The ultimate goal for Steve Jobs. To start attracting customers from the Wintel market to the Apple. It all starts off from this tiny little MP3 player called the iPod. Scary. but true. So the conclusion on that front, no iPhoto for Windows.

Video Out Capabilities. Obviously if they want to use iPhoto integration, they're going to have to have a Video Out. People are going to see the pictures in a wider screen that is not 2 inches wide.

Thicker and Heavier, This is a very volatile subject. Some saying that the new Toshiba models will consume very little amounts of energy, some saying not, is all speculation. However, in my view point. To introduce a new 60GB model with color screen and other new functions, will OBVIOUSLY take up battery life. For that matter, seeing how the 4G iPod was given an battery upgrade, one can only think that Apple would not make the same mistake twice. So, I wouldn't be so worried about the battery life. And even if the battery life was shortened, to 8 Hours, its still negligble.

"The 2-inch color screen is identical in size to other iPods, but will sport a higher resolution for photo viewing. However, the new device's real shining feature will be its video-out port, which will enable users to tote their photo galleries with them, ready to be plugged into any television for big-screen viewing."

As the rumour states, PHOTOS. No Video. That means no Movies, no QuickTime, no Clips, No Music Videos, Nothing of that sort, in other words NO MOVING PICTURES. Why?

1. Battery life will be guillotined.
2. Hard Drive is not capable of turing on videos all the time
3. The essense of the iPod is not playing Videos. Its music.
4. Jobs as expressly stated that "music, not movies stupid"
5. Things are done slowly. You're not going to see this mega hightech iPod with all sorts of gizmos attached to it. One by one, If this time is the color screen, next will the wireless, slowly.
6. Too risky for Apple Computers Inc. in Cupertino Calif,. What if it doesn't sell? What if the consumers truly only want a music player? Do they really want to see that whole lengthy movie? Maybe they do? But what about iPod's brand image? How will the critics take it? Is this going to be a weird swiss army knife with 2 million functions? You're jumping across a big abyss if we're talking about motion pictures.
7. Finally, fairly important, just what kind of movies are we talking about here? Real movies? Does that mean then, one has to rip DVDs? (isn't that illegal?), then put them on the iPod, and then play? or does one have to download Pirated DivX files from the web? or does one rip those pirated DVDs people sell for $5? Are you honestly going to take your DV Camera, record your trip to Europe, use whatever software you're using, edit it, make it look nice, and transfer it to the iPod and keep it with you, waiting for that moment to come when you can show a whole bunch of people connecting to a TV (and where did you get the video cable from?) Or are you just going to connect your DV and play it from there? (and don't gimme that rubbish about how you can't fit a DV Camera into your pocket, its better to get the occasion to show rather than having to walk around looking for a place to show it. Or may be you just want it for yourself, when you're in that subway. Ease your mind? Do you REALLY think The Apple management is going to risk getting flamed about how they're SUPPORTING the piracy DVD movement by supporting a movie file playing Massive Storage device? For your 2 minutes in the subway? I highly doubt it.

However, on the other side,

1. What is the video out truly for? Photos? Please...
2. QuickTime integration with iTunes....worrying.
3. Competition.
4. A possible new iPod range. (Which would mean even more headaches for Apple senior staff....will it SELL???)

At the end of the day, its all speculation. However I honestly doubt the video playing function to appear. Ever in an iPod. Nor do I want it to be.

"The 60GB iPod will feature only rudimentary built-in software for viewing photos, with no editing tools, sources say. Photo albums will be navigated in a similar fashion to music playlists, and a slideshow feature will provide transitions with user-specified background music, similar to iPhoto.
Synchronizing features similar to iTunes will also be added to iPhoto."

As the rumor suggests ONLY. Photos and SlideShows. None of this other gizmos stuff we're speculating and betting about.

My Prediction.

1. 60GB
2. Color Screen
3. Same Size
4. Photo Synching
5. No Video Playing
6. Doubts about Name and Branding issues though..

One thing I would like to see is the Wireless function in the iPod. Apple has been a forefront runner in the Wireless brand, AirPort Extreme and Express are all very competitive brands, especially with the fact that its PC available too, also topping that the iTunes integration. So do the Maths

iTunes + iPod = Music
AirPort Express + iTunes = Music from Loudspeakers
AirPort Express + iTunes + iPod = Music from your iPod from Loudspeakers all wireless. How fascinating is that? Its possible, and they all seem to have a connection: iTunes. QuickTime appearing in iTunes is also a huge worry. I also speculate that this whole Photo business could be integrated with iTunes...but thats off the hook.

What I want to see, Just a plain white iPod music player thats light and small that plays good music, an shows album art with wireless functions. Thats all.

What I do not want to see... cameras, video players, cell phones, NO PDA!

The question I ask is, will they do this whole color business to the 20GB and the 40GB models too? :cool:
 
verces said:
the decision to port iTunes to the Windows market was based on the fact that since the Apple will sell music over the Internet, to sell their iPods, they needed the Wintel market to also buy music,<snip> so therefore, the iTunes was given away to the Wintel crowd. To sell music, and to sell iPods. Extremely fantastic marketing strategy.

Now let's look at the similar situation with iPhoto. The fundamental question is, the medium in which the iPhoto operates is, obviously Photos, pictures. You can't buy photos of yourselves or other people from the net, nor would you want to even if you could. It simply does not have that marginal utility value compared to that of a MP3 file. So obviously, the iPhoto ship will not be docking at the Wintel port. Apple doesn't need that. If you want to use your 60GB iPod seamlessly, (you can still use your photo capabilities with your Windows applications, but won't be auto synching..)you will have to buy a Macintosh. The ultimate goal for Steve Jobs. To start attracting customers from the Wintel market to the Apple. It all starts off from this tiny little MP3 player called the iPod. Scary. but true. So the conclusion on that front, no iPhoto for Windows.
Apple financial results showed a HUGE increase in iPod sales and revenue.

Apple sold 836 computers, with a revenue of 1231 million dollars
The sold 2,016 iPods, with a revenue of 537 million dollars.

I couldn't find the profit broken down by iPod or computer, which would be very interesting!!!!

Anyway, Macs and iPods are now BOTH very important to Apple
If iPhoto-for-Windows sells slightly more iPods (but slightly less macs), they may soon decide that's totally acceptable. We don't know.
 
my very own photoshoped iPod!

i used this as an assignment in my computer class at high school. i know its not as good as others, but check it out. :cool:


click on image to actually see it!
 

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