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60GB iPods - Not Soon?
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Why do people have such a hard time accepting the fact that some of us have over 40 gigs of music?
I have over 1000 cds. Even if I compressed them all at 128bits, 40gigs isn't enough.
I have over 1000 cds. Even if I compressed them all at 128bits, 40gigs isn't enough.
agentmouthwash said:
I don't have a hard time accepting that you could have over 40 gigs of music, I know I do. What I was wondering is why someone would need access to all of it at once? Considering that's several weeks of music and all I would wonder why you'd want to spend the money on a 60GB iPod (or bigger) when it first comes out instead of playing some of your more favorite CDs (you know, maybe a week to 10 days worth of music) on a 20 or 40...
That's all I'm thinking, just seems like everyone on these forums likes to bitch about something not releasing vs. buying anything from Apple ever. I'm sure that's not the case, but if you go look at every product release over the last year, there are at least 30% or so of the posts of 'i hate it becuase it doesn't do x' attached to the responses...
Trekkie said:
Well I currently use a 1st generation 10gb ipod and it's fine for now. I make playlists of what I want to listen to and I just sync those songs. It would be nice to eventually have all my music on my ipod so I can have the ultimate random play/shuffle experience. I'm not bitching about Apple not releasing a 60gb yet. I am not bitching about lack of wifi or video features on the new ipod. I don't care about that stuff.
I just wanted to make a statement that I am an example of somebody having over 40gb of music.
I'll probably update my ipod when the 60gb come out, but I'm not in a hurry. I can wait a few months. My goal is to eventually eleminate all my cds and have all my music with me at all times. And whatever I do need, ill buy from itunes.
agentmouthwash said:
no, people don't have hard time accepting that others may have more music than what is in own bookshelf. do you have hard time accepting the fact that nobody can assume all music ever made would fit into an ipod? do you have any idea how much music a radio station has for example? do you think radio stations whine about apple not selling a big enough ipod?
get over it. use whatever you can. there will always be bigger and better, and you will always have chance to grow your music collection beyond the limit of the latest and greatest.
it is as if you would have bought a porsche and complain about not being able to drive it as fast as the car could go, because there are speed limits. sheesh...
What about something so simple as an ultra tiny external firewire harddrive? Just put two of those bad boys in a super-slim case and you have a 120 Gig harddrive. Maybe it's that easy.
JFreak said:
what the hell? I didn't complain about anything. I just said that some people have more then 40 gigs of music. Why don't you read before you write?
Having read all these posts about who needs more than 40 gigs and who can listen to more than 40 gigs I have a different way of looking at things.
Let's say I fill up my 40 gig iPod. Certainly I'm not listening to every song everyday. So sure I could have a 15 and swap music back and forth every day, but the magic of having all of your music is that if you just happen to be in the mood for something you can queue it up and enjoy it. Or if you are talking amongst friends and somebody says "what was that song sung by the guy?" and you can say "I have that song right here!"
These are the reasons to have more than 15 or 20 gigs of music. I just never know ahead of time what I feel like listening to.
Bry
Let's say I fill up my 40 gig iPod. Certainly I'm not listening to every song everyday. So sure I could have a 15 and swap music back and forth every day, but the magic of having all of your music is that if you just happen to be in the mood for something you can queue it up and enjoy it. Or if you are talking amongst friends and somebody says "what was that song sung by the guy?" and you can say "I have that song right here!"
These are the reasons to have more than 15 or 20 gigs of music. I just never know ahead of time what I feel like listening to.
Bry
It would be neat if iTunes could some way have a scheme to make good guesses as to what that music might be. Right now things can be done with last-played, ratings and numbers of listens, but it might be interesting if something like GroupLens (roughly, the same sort of technology that iTMS and Amazon use to recommend other buying choices) could be used to feed in things from the computer's library that might be interesting based on what you've recently listened to.brydeemer said:
[edit: a specific application of the GroupLens technolgy itself is eBay's half.com service. The commercial version of the system is sold by Net Perceptions. ]
Because iPods Are For More Than Just Music
Because iPods Are For More Than Just Music.Trekkie said:
I'm With You
I'm With You. I need as big an iPod as I can get with the new interface. So I'm waiting for the 60 as well. I have a 2nd Gen 20. The 60 would still not be enough even with the 20 to store all my tunes plus files I want to have on hand.agentmouthwash said:
agentmouthwash said:
sorry about that. it just SOUNDED to me as if you were one of those whiners that cannot see that 40GB is plenty. i'm just tired of that and you were the victim. yes, many people have more than that, but one cannot take everything to go...
Why not! but why!
There is many reason you may want a 60gig iPod:
- you encode AAC at 192kbs insted of 128. That mean my 4300 songs (all original albums I have in my restroom) take 30gig, not 7500 song like apple reported at the time of a 30 gig model.
- you may wanna use Apple looseless format to listen on your very expensive stereo system (not a Sony bought with a rebate at WalMart)
- you may wanna use it as a firewire drive also.
- you may...
But you also can buy an iPod mini (or 2!) and transfert parts of your library when needed, and change it when you change your mind of the moment. That is an option I even considered. But sure I'll prefer to have all my music library with me without badering, which is very cool also.
But, for those who are dreaming:
- Apple may release a videoPod, but remember that Steve Jobs said many times last year that it is not a winning market, so I have reason to beleive it won't happen, unless he's playing marketing lies!
- Newton revival, SJ said recently Apple studyed it, but is was dismised, so forget it.
- iPod color with iPhoto library management? maybe. iPod can read your picture at the moment, but not show them. Most Pocket PC can do it and they are use ny many photoprah for that purpose. Knowing that most poeple were angry when Apple sells iPhoto for 49$ (for those not using iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand, that was it), that maybe the use of the 60gig. Manu rumors sites reported that the next gen had such feature, but it did not.
- Sure there is also the possibility that SJ just canceled the 60gig and we can continue to dream...
There is many reason you may want a 60gig iPod:
- you encode AAC at 192kbs insted of 128. That mean my 4300 songs (all original albums I have in my restroom) take 30gig, not 7500 song like apple reported at the time of a 30 gig model.
- you may wanna use Apple looseless format to listen on your very expensive stereo system (not a Sony bought with a rebate at WalMart)
- you may wanna use it as a firewire drive also.
- you may...
But you also can buy an iPod mini (or 2!) and transfert parts of your library when needed, and change it when you change your mind of the moment. That is an option I even considered. But sure I'll prefer to have all my music library with me without badering, which is very cool also.
But, for those who are dreaming:
- Apple may release a videoPod, but remember that Steve Jobs said many times last year that it is not a winning market, so I have reason to beleive it won't happen, unless he's playing marketing lies!
- Newton revival, SJ said recently Apple studyed it, but is was dismised, so forget it.
- iPod color with iPhoto library management? maybe. iPod can read your picture at the moment, but not show them. Most Pocket PC can do it and they are use ny many photoprah for that purpose. Knowing that most poeple were angry when Apple sells iPhoto for 49$ (for those not using iMovie, iDVD and GarageBand, that was it), that maybe the use of the 60gig. Manu rumors sites reported that the next gen had such feature, but it did not.
- Sure there is also the possibility that SJ just canceled the 60gig and we can continue to dream...
One thing seems pretty clear to me: Regardless if Apple will use those 60 GB HDs for the iPod or not, they had to say they didn't plan to release a 60 GB iPod anytime soon in order to make people buy the 40 GB iPod. Secondly, I can see a 60 GB iPod but only if offers additional features such as Home on iPod or iPhoto library capability. I'm pretty sure there are not enough people out there who need 60 gigs just for music. As for Home on iPod, if Apple really is planning to introduce it, they will add this feature in Tiger not in Panther. Even the iPhoto library feature would need a new version of iPhoto - iPhoto 5. Releasing Tiger, iLife 05, 5G iPod and the PB G5 at the same time would create incredible revenues for Apple!
Zaty said:
This is a good point. Apple may not simply release the 60 GB iPod and leave it at that. Perhaps the reason they only released the 2 4G models right now and didn't wait for the 60 GB models to be ready and announce them all together is because the 60 GB model will bring some extra functionality to the line, so it won't simply be a matter of buying a 60 GB iPod for the storage abilities, but for increased functionality as well. That way, consumers will actually have to make a choice in which iPod to get based on other factors and not solely their music storage requirements. Steve may be addding some extra sizzle to the steak for the 60 GB iPod - if it's even called an iPod. ("PowerPod", anyone?
)ArticulatedArm said:
I don't have any iPods now; that's why I'm waiting on that 60 gigger iPod. However, I do have the collection backup on two separate hard drives.
Laziness, YES! Tedious, NO!Trekkie said:
Easy to answer... who in their right mind wants to have to sort through 96GB worth of music (yes, me) in order to find the best 40GB? When you have an ipod that is bigger than your collection, you can just drop the unit in the dock and it's updated. No effort at all.
Otherwise, it's just days of tweeking and fiddling -- and then going back and trying to remember just what you have.
It's just easier when dealing with the volume of music that some of us have. It's not really about needing to have ALL THE MUSIC / ALL THE TIME with you.
Vacations
What about going on Vacations or Business trips? What if you're going to be away from your computer for a very long time and want to have your music with you? There's many scenerios that people can justify in needing 40-60GBs of music with them. Many OPPONENTS of big drives ("why does one need so much music with them?" etc.) need to get a grip. Maybe a 4GB mini will do them. Fine. No ones pointing a finger and saying "Gee, what losers, they only have 4GBs of music". It goes both ways. Quit the nagging about how much space is or isn't needed.
Data Storage and transportation
If the ipod is good enough for Peter Jackson to use to haul the Dailys back and forth during shooting,... then it's good enough for me to use to bring hundreds of MBs worth of Photoshop files or several GBs of Video files that I need to work on at home -- sometimes, we have to bring our work home with us. I used to used a ZIP Drive... then a JAZ drive -- now, I'm covered with the IPOD.
High Encoding
You might think 128 AAC is ok, but what about the folks (me) who like to encode in higher quality? Maybe when the iPod first came out and all one had was 5GBs, 128bit MP3s seemed to be A-ok. But now, when 40GB are to be had, it just seems natural that re-encoding in higher bit rates is the natural thing to do.
Sunday's Rant
This is possibly the dumbest thing I've heard lately. Because of Toshiba's mistep, many people who ordinarily would have bought a 40GB are now waiting because it's obvious that eventually these 60GB drives will be in the ipod. Missed sales, that's what Toshiba has cost Apple. But the masses don't generally follow Apple so closely so now, Apple is just going to maintain "that the 60GB is not in our plans right now".
Steady as she goes...
I totally believe that Apple is simply following their original plan of creating a new unit and only offering it as a 20 and a 40, but at reduced prices. If they had a 60GB unit out at $499, then they couldn't tout "HEY WE REDUCED OUR PRICES"... because the bottom 2 tier ipods (for the longest) have been $299 and $399. It would just be business as usual.
Something's Gotta Give
Also, they're changing their Included Offerings which is saving them money. Honestly, I don't care about the CASE or the REMOTE anyway. I never liked their idea of what a case was and just used the drawstring bag that was included. And the remote went unused on both my 30GB model and my last 40GB model. People are crying foul but I agree that something had to give, especially on this go-around when you're giving a 20GB model for $299. All of the most popular runners-up with the same size (Creative Zen Touch, $269; Rio Karma, $299; and the Dell Digital Jukebox, $279) all go for about the same price and they don't come an expensive docking station.
All Good Things Must Come To An End
We have to understand that, much like the iApps that we loved and used for FREE for so long or the Free Email and webspace that now Apple charges for as ".MAC": you can't have a free ride forever. Cases, remotes, docks... these all cost money. Apple needed to give that stuff away for awhile (a long while at that) in order to put them in the position of being #1. It helped some people make a decision of what to buy when the choice wasn't as clear. Now it's a no-brainer and people want the ipod. Time to cut the cord of the freebees.
The way I look at it, if the competition is selling a 20GB player for about $299, then getting an APPLE IPOD for the same price is a no-brainer--and if I have to spend a little more to get the extras I want, then it's worth it.
What the frick?SiliconAddict said:
This is possibly the dumbest thing I've heard lately. Because of Toshiba's mistep, many people who ordinarily would have bought a 40GB are now waiting because it's obvious that eventually these 60GB drives will be in the ipod. Missed sales, that's what Toshiba has cost Apple. But the masses don't generally follow Apple so closely so now, Apple is just going to maintain "that the 60GB is not in our plans right now".
Steady as she goes...
I totally believe that Apple is simply following their original plan of creating a new unit and only offering it as a 20 and a 40, but at reduced prices. If they had a 60GB unit out at $499, then they couldn't tout "HEY WE REDUCED OUR PRICES"... because the bottom 2 tier ipods (for the longest) have been $299 and $399. It would just be business as usual.
Something's Gotta Give
Also, they're changing their Included Offerings which is saving them money. Honestly, I don't care about the CASE or the REMOTE anyway. I never liked their idea of what a case was and just used the drawstring bag that was included. And the remote went unused on both my 30GB model and my last 40GB model. People are crying foul but I agree that something had to give, especially on this go-around when you're giving a 20GB model for $299. All of the most popular runners-up with the same size (Creative Zen Touch, $269; Rio Karma, $299; and the Dell Digital Jukebox, $279) all go for about the same price and they don't come an expensive docking station.
All Good Things Must Come To An End
We have to understand that, much like the iApps that we loved and used for FREE for so long or the Free Email and webspace that now Apple charges for as ".MAC": you can't have a free ride forever. Cases, remotes, docks... these all cost money. Apple needed to give that stuff away for awhile (a long while at that) in order to put them in the position of being #1. It helped some people make a decision of what to buy when the choice wasn't as clear. Now it's a no-brainer and people want the ipod. Time to cut the cord of the freebees.
The way I look at it, if the competition is selling a 20GB player for about $299, then getting an APPLE IPOD for the same price is a no-brainer--and if I have to spend a little more to get the extras I want, then it's worth it.
This makes no sense. You can't listen to ALL of your music at ONCE regardless of whether you have 100gb or 100mb of music.Trekkie said:
Larger sized mp3 players simply allow you to access ANY of it whenever you choose, not ALL of it at one time.
Most likely, most people don't need a computer any more powerful than the old 600MHz iMac -- that doesn't mean that people don't want something "that more than meets their needs"... maybe they'd like to have something to "grow into". I bought my first Mac in 1995 (a 7100 powermac) and was told of the 500MB Harddrive that came with it: "Oh, that's a lot of space. You'll never use all of that!" We all know how rediculous that is, though at the time, it seemed very reasonable. It was also reasonable for a few hundred megs of ram to set a person back $1500. Fortunately, technology marches on.sworthy said:
Are you really in any position to say what most people have or what their needs are? I think it's fair if you'd like to share YOUR experiences, but I think it's overstepping a bit when you start talking about what "most people" don't need.
When I bought IPOD #1 on November 12, 2001, 5GBs was enough space... but as Music became a more impotant part of my life now that the iPod had opened up a whole new world of portability and ease-of-use, I began aquiring much more Music and Audio Books.
Since then, I have bought hundreds of CDs on Amazon, eBay and Half-Priced Books and re-encoded much of my discs several times, always upping the bitrate. Now that Apple has brought out their lossless encoding, it is only a matter of time before I begin possibly the last time of encoding of my platters to go on my latest player, IPOD #6 (thanks to CompUSA's TAP plan).
I think the fact that Lacie has a 1.6TB drive out now, goes to prove that ONE CAN NEVER HAVE TOO MUCH SPACE.
Yes it is. But consider all of the lonely hours we spent at our lonely little desks without all of our music to listen to before the IPOD? When a person listens to 8-10 hours of music on a daily basis, one can listen to a lot of music in a month's time.xtekdiver said: